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In a few weeks, all the rubbish over Iraq will calm down, and then, I pray and pray that someone will finally address Israel.
These people are just sick, and seem to think they can get away with anything. The tragedy being that they probably can.
*rage*
In a few weeks, all the rubbish over Iraq will calm down, and then, I pray and pray that someone will finally address Israel.
These people are just sick, and seem to think they can get away with anything. The tragedy being that they probably can.
*rage*
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How would retaliating using more force help in any way or form? If anything, it'll serve to fuel the fire that's been raging for years.
And there's a big difference - Palestinians were forced out of their native country and they responded by using terrorism. To highlight their plight to the rest of the world and to strike back at the people who have continually been oppressing them for the last 50 or so years.
When terrorists targeted Britain and America, they did it on foreign soil which is an attack against the respective country and, therefore, the "western" world would be fairly justified responding. It was an attack against "infidels" and "the great enemy." And they didn't have any basis or cogent reasons for attacks.
Whereas the Palestinians fight for a way of life. They've been fighting tooth and nail for as long as they can remember. Peace? There'll never be peace when both sides are all too aware of the atrocities each side has committed.
I'm not going to back down on this because I feel quite strongly about this and the previous statement I made only serves to reinforce my feelings on the subject.
And there's a big difference - Palestinians were forced out of their native country and they responded by using terrorism. To highlight their plight to the rest of the world and to strike back at the people who have continually been oppressing them for the last 50 or so years.
When terrorists targeted Britain and America, they did it on foreign soil which is an attack against the respective country and, therefore, the "western" world would be fairly justified responding. It was an attack against "infidels" and "the great enemy." And they didn't have any basis or cogent reasons for attacks.
Whereas the Palestinians fight for a way of life. They've been fighting tooth and nail for as long as they can remember. Peace? There'll never be peace when both sides are all too aware of the atrocities each side has committed.
I'm not going to back down on this because I feel quite strongly about this and the previous statement I made only serves to reinforce my feelings on the subject.
Well just look at the actions of the British government last century or the American govt this century for examples of the fact that so-called civilised nations will break international law and violate human rights without much hesitation when faced with terrorist attack. Given the scale and horror of palestinian terrorist attacks on the Israeli people I am hardly surprised that they carry out reprisals.
Yet the perception is that when western world does it we are upholding freedom, when the Israelis do it they are subhuman scum. Hardly seems rational.
Yet the perception is that when western world does it we are upholding freedom, when the Israelis do it they are subhuman scum. Hardly seems rational.
loki wrote:
> Unbeliever wrote:
> Scum. Pure subhuman scum.
>
> Huh? They went in to arrest a terrorist. They asked him to
> surrender, the terrorist responded with pipe bombs. They are subhuman
> scum for trying to defend their people from terrorism?
>
> There have been atrocities on both sides but Israel's military actions
> have frequently been excellently planned, going far beyond the minimum
> guidelines of the Just War tradition in terms of safegauarding
> civilians.
>
> As citizens of a country about to launch an unlawful invasion of
> another state, that comment shows a remarkable lack of thought, if not
> actual prejudice.
I've said a lot on this subject previously. For every "justified and well-planned attack" Israel carries out, there are another five for which they use excessive force. Anyone remember firing missiles into an apartment block, killing over 30 civilians?
"The raid is the latest of almost nightly assaults by Israel against militants in Gaza over the past few weeks."
The impending war with Iraq with serve to allow Israel to perpetrate even more massacres, in their quest to eradicate "terrorists". Will they stop when they've wiped out a whole generation of Palestinians? Possibly not.
That, and countless other atroctities. As I've said before on these forums, The Palestinians aren't innocent parties in this but when businesses are bombed, whole villages are bulldozed in the middle of the night and the Israelis continually force them to live in squalid conditions, how would you expect them to respond? By using stones, homemade bombs and smuggled weapons.
So we have the Israelis with arguably the most techincally proficient weapons in the world causing massacres where the innocent as well as the guilty suffer. Not to mention being in breach of 69 UN resolutions since Israel was founded.
Prejudiced? Perhaps. But with good reasons. And after knowing both sides of the story.
> Unbeliever wrote:
> Scum. Pure subhuman scum.
>
> Huh? They went in to arrest a terrorist. They asked him to
> surrender, the terrorist responded with pipe bombs. They are subhuman
> scum for trying to defend their people from terrorism?
>
> There have been atrocities on both sides but Israel's military actions
> have frequently been excellently planned, going far beyond the minimum
> guidelines of the Just War tradition in terms of safegauarding
> civilians.
>
> As citizens of a country about to launch an unlawful invasion of
> another state, that comment shows a remarkable lack of thought, if not
> actual prejudice.
I've said a lot on this subject previously. For every "justified and well-planned attack" Israel carries out, there are another five for which they use excessive force. Anyone remember firing missiles into an apartment block, killing over 30 civilians?
"The raid is the latest of almost nightly assaults by Israel against militants in Gaza over the past few weeks."
The impending war with Iraq with serve to allow Israel to perpetrate even more massacres, in their quest to eradicate "terrorists". Will they stop when they've wiped out a whole generation of Palestinians? Possibly not.
That, and countless other atroctities. As I've said before on these forums, The Palestinians aren't innocent parties in this but when businesses are bombed, whole villages are bulldozed in the middle of the night and the Israelis continually force them to live in squalid conditions, how would you expect them to respond? By using stones, homemade bombs and smuggled weapons.
So we have the Israelis with arguably the most techincally proficient weapons in the world causing massacres where the innocent as well as the guilty suffer. Not to mention being in breach of 69 UN resolutions since Israel was founded.
Prejudiced? Perhaps. But with good reasons. And after knowing both sides of the story.
Ah yes. This is the first time that Israel has senselessly ploughed through civilians to get to what they claim is a terrorist.
Yes. No really it is.
Honest...
Yes. No really it is.
Honest...
Nowhere in that post did I say that particualar operation was excellently planned. Read it again.
excellently planned?
If ploughing through refugee camps and killing off innocents is what they planned to do, then I guess it was a job well done.
If ploughing through refugee camps and killing off innocents is what they planned to do, then I guess it was a job well done.
Unbeliever wrote:
> Scum. Pure subhuman scum.
Huh? They went in to arrest a terrorist. They asked him to surrender, the terrorist responded with pipe bombs. They are subhuman scum for trying to defend their people from terrorism?
There have been atrocities on both sides but Israel's military actions have frequently been excellently planned, going far beyond the minimum guidelines of the Just War tradition in terms of safegauarding civilians.
As citizens of a country about to launch an unlawful invasion of another state, that comment shows a remarkable lack of thought, if not actual prejudice.
> Scum. Pure subhuman scum.
Huh? They went in to arrest a terrorist. They asked him to surrender, the terrorist responded with pipe bombs. They are subhuman scum for trying to defend their people from terrorism?
There have been atrocities on both sides but Israel's military actions have frequently been excellently planned, going far beyond the minimum guidelines of the Just War tradition in terms of safegauarding civilians.
As citizens of a country about to launch an unlawful invasion of another state, that comment shows a remarkable lack of thought, if not actual prejudice.
El Blokey wrote:
> You're saying that suicide bombing cafes is justified?
Of course it's not justified, but then again if the Israeli government is not listening to the voice of millions of people in it's country then how are they meant to get their message across. Palestine was it's own country before in the late 1940's the State of Palestine and Israel became one. It was agreed by an international charter that in the late 50's/early 60's Palestine would become it's own country again.
This obviously never happened due to a change in administration in some of the countries that agreed the change. However there is a plan for Palestine to once again become its own country which the EU have drawn up in partnership with Israel, it only remains to be seen if this will then calm the hatered between the two after nearly 50 years of unwanted territory sharing.
> You're saying that suicide bombing cafes is justified?
Of course it's not justified, but then again if the Israeli government is not listening to the voice of millions of people in it's country then how are they meant to get their message across. Palestine was it's own country before in the late 1940's the State of Palestine and Israel became one. It was agreed by an international charter that in the late 50's/early 60's Palestine would become it's own country again.
This obviously never happened due to a change in administration in some of the countries that agreed the change. However there is a plan for Palestine to once again become its own country which the EU have drawn up in partnership with Israel, it only remains to be seen if this will then calm the hatered between the two after nearly 50 years of unwanted territory sharing.
El Blokey wrote:
> You're saying that suicide bombing cafes is justified?
Let's say you live in a nice home, and one day someone comes along and tells you you have to move out and live in a far smaller and insufficient place down the road that you don't like. You're thrown out on your ear, and nobody listens to your pleas for justice.
Everyone turns a blind eye to your plight and so it's just your family. The people who have moved into YOUR house don't belong there, it's your home. You want it back, what will you do to get it?
> You're saying that suicide bombing cafes is justified?
Let's say you live in a nice home, and one day someone comes along and tells you you have to move out and live in a far smaller and insufficient place down the road that you don't like. You're thrown out on your ear, and nobody listens to your pleas for justice.
Everyone turns a blind eye to your plight and so it's just your family. The people who have moved into YOUR house don't belong there, it's your home. You want it back, what will you do to get it?
That wasn't supposed to be posted twice, I got a funny blue error message and my PC went mental!
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