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"We're trapped in the belly of this horrible machine, and the machine is bleeding to death" - "The Dead Flag Blues" by "Godspeed You! Black Emperor"
This contains anti popular belief, so if you are going to say, "There are people with beliefs on this forum you know..." then just press the undo button on your AOL browser. This is about me, you may gain something from my opinions, and you may not, so don't read if you aren't going to be open-minded. This is what I believe, I've thought about it, and it critisises a lot of people's views. It's a warning, like in the worst of porn sites.
Have you ever had the feeling that your mind won't stop spinning? You try to get to sleep, but some sub-conscious problem keeps on coming back to keep you awake whilst not giving itself away? Have you ever felt that you could be better, before bringing yourself back to harsh reality? Have you ever known that what you are doing at the time would be regretted later but still continued?
The burden of life was never mine for the choosing. An increasingly crushing thought, is that our parents only had us, to make themselves get more enjoyment out of life, unless you were an accident, in which case the parents are just trying to make the best out of a bad situation. If you deny this, you're only lying to yourself. After all, everything is for personal gain. Everything. You help a friend because it will make you feel better knowing that you've changed something. You give money to Oxfam to make you think that you're a nice person.
I have told a Christian my beliefs. She said that I'm ignoring all the good points of a religion, and adding bad things. To me, this just adds to my confidence in beliefs. After all, everything will be OK if you're a good boy for Santa, and if your not, then you'll get a lump of coal. If I didn't choose to take part in a little test by a loser who people think is loving, then I don't want to be a part of it. The fundamental flaws in my previous Christian life, were to ignore the contradictions in the "good book", it will make you feel better guaranteed, just like Bridget Jones' Diary, the feel good film of the century. God is the great judge. Who voted him in? He's a dictator, if he exists in the Christian sense, which Euro voters say "NO!" to. "He's a PERFECT dictator" proclaimed said Christian. Perfection? Perfection? Think about it, is it truly possible? Lord; take me away from the monotony of my life through me believing in you. To me, religion is equal to communism, in that it is promised that everyone has a role in life and everything will end out good. It's a nice theory, but in practice, reality sets in.
(Only read this bit if you understand limited biology)
It's almost impossible to understand neurology and believe in an afterlife (for me). Your mind is a complex web of neural reactions. Electrons flow through the axons reaching other axons, which will quickly reach your brain/spine. When you die, these stop. We're a fairly complex robot, but we wear out and then break. Your personality is decided through your genetics, a nice parent made code, longer than how many decimal places of pi people have found out. Your individuality is the combination of two people's individuality. But we can learn to ignore all these things and make humans sound great and all for helping eachother, and as Barney so proves my point, "I love you, you love me, we're a happy family".
So, the worlds a depressing place and there's nothing after for me. I might as well get the best out of the only life I have. But I don't want to degrade the quality of life of someone else, because if I believe it's the only life we ever have, all the more reason to try and make yours and others life better.
How can I enjoy myself then? By helping other people, thus making me feel better, but also through getting rich and being one of the many people drawn into consumerism. It's fantastic, it draws attention away from the fact that we're going to die, and gives us pleasure, thinking that our lives may actually be alright.
It isn't lying to myself, because I still acknowledge what the world is, but I still want to enjoy myself as much as I can, making the best out of a bad situation.
This contains anti popular belief, so if you are going to say, "There are people with beliefs on this forum you know..." then just press the undo button on your AOL browser. This is about me, you may gain something from my opinions, and you may not, so don't read if you aren't going to be open-minded. This is what I believe, I've thought about it, and it critisises a lot of people's views. It's a warning, like in the worst of porn sites.
Have you ever had the feeling that your mind won't stop spinning? You try to get to sleep, but some sub-conscious problem keeps on coming back to keep you awake whilst not giving itself away? Have you ever felt that you could be better, before bringing yourself back to harsh reality? Have you ever known that what you are doing at the time would be regretted later but still continued?
The burden of life was never mine for the choosing. An increasingly crushing thought, is that our parents only had us, to make themselves get more enjoyment out of life, unless you were an accident, in which case the parents are just trying to make the best out of a bad situation. If you deny this, you're only lying to yourself. After all, everything is for personal gain. Everything. You help a friend because it will make you feel better knowing that you've changed something. You give money to Oxfam to make you think that you're a nice person.
I have told a Christian my beliefs. She said that I'm ignoring all the good points of a religion, and adding bad things. To me, this just adds to my confidence in beliefs. After all, everything will be OK if you're a good boy for Santa, and if your not, then you'll get a lump of coal. If I didn't choose to take part in a little test by a loser who people think is loving, then I don't want to be a part of it. The fundamental flaws in my previous Christian life, were to ignore the contradictions in the "good book", it will make you feel better guaranteed, just like Bridget Jones' Diary, the feel good film of the century. God is the great judge. Who voted him in? He's a dictator, if he exists in the Christian sense, which Euro voters say "NO!" to. "He's a PERFECT dictator" proclaimed said Christian. Perfection? Perfection? Think about it, is it truly possible? Lord; take me away from the monotony of my life through me believing in you. To me, religion is equal to communism, in that it is promised that everyone has a role in life and everything will end out good. It's a nice theory, but in practice, reality sets in.
(Only read this bit if you understand limited biology)
It's almost impossible to understand neurology and believe in an afterlife (for me). Your mind is a complex web of neural reactions. Electrons flow through the axons reaching other axons, which will quickly reach your brain/spine. When you die, these stop. We're a fairly complex robot, but we wear out and then break. Your personality is decided through your genetics, a nice parent made code, longer than how many decimal places of pi people have found out. Your individuality is the combination of two people's individuality. But we can learn to ignore all these things and make humans sound great and all for helping eachother, and as Barney so proves my point, "I love you, you love me, we're a happy family".
So, the worlds a depressing place and there's nothing after for me. I might as well get the best out of the only life I have. But I don't want to degrade the quality of life of someone else, because if I believe it's the only life we ever have, all the more reason to try and make yours and others life better.
How can I enjoy myself then? By helping other people, thus making me feel better, but also through getting rich and being one of the many people drawn into consumerism. It's fantastic, it draws attention away from the fact that we're going to die, and gives us pleasure, thinking that our lives may actually be alright.
It isn't lying to myself, because I still acknowledge what the world is, but I still want to enjoy myself as much as I can, making the best out of a bad situation.
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Nope, whilst it appears in religion it's not confined to religion, so it is not just to do with faith. In other words your wrong :)
Star Fury wrote:
> Insane Bartender wrote:
> ergo, all talk of one existing is dumb, because no-one on earth has
> ever been...
>
> Then surely all talk of one not existing is equally dumb ?
True dat, but then again afterlife and all that gubbins is part of the thing called 'religion' which requires 'faith' which precludes 'proof' by it's very definition.
> Insane Bartender wrote:
> ergo, all talk of one existing is dumb, because no-one on earth has
> ever been...
>
> Then surely all talk of one not existing is equally dumb ?
True dat, but then again afterlife and all that gubbins is part of the thing called 'religion' which requires 'faith' which precludes 'proof' by it's very definition.
Insane Bartender wrote:
> ergo, all talk of one existing is dumb, because no-one on earth has
> ever been...
Then surely all talk of one not existing is equally dumb ?
> ergo, all talk of one existing is dumb, because no-one on earth has
> ever been...
Then surely all talk of one not existing is equally dumb ?
We know that a dog's brain can't and will never comprehend certain things, like the offside rule or how a radio works.
And I think the human brain is the same, in that there are bound to be things that we will never comprehend but which are in and around us all of the time. Thus I would never dismiss the prospect of an afterlife.
Our comprehension of reality is limited by our capacity to comprehend. I am fairly sure that there is more to existence than we know.
And I think the human brain is the same, in that there are bound to be things that we will never comprehend but which are in and around us all of the time. Thus I would never dismiss the prospect of an afterlife.
Our comprehension of reality is limited by our capacity to comprehend. I am fairly sure that there is more to existence than we know.
I can say without doubt that there is only one way to discover the existence of an afterlife, and it's a one way trip.
ergo, all talk of one existing is dumb, because no-one on earth has ever been...
ergo, all talk of one existing is dumb, because no-one on earth has ever been...
One point, how can you rule out the idea of a soul/afterlife kind of thing by saying that mind/consciousness is basically only there whilst out bodies continue to function, when science cannot fully explain the functions of the mind/brain itself ?
I think too many people are hung up on finding a meaning for life, and that they waste their own lives doing so.
No one, not science, nor religion, knows what, if anything, there is after death.
I think too many people are hung up on finding a meaning for life, and that they waste their own lives doing so.
No one, not science, nor religion, knows what, if anything, there is after death.
The worst thing would be knowing the day and manner of your death. Whatever you do will no doubt inexorably lead you to your eventual demise. Even if you take steps to avoid it.
However that won't happen to me because I don't believe that a person's fate is pre-destined in life. I like to think I'm in control of my own actions. I don't like the idea of an outside "entitiy" being in control of my destiny.
However that won't happen to me because I don't believe that a person's fate is pre-destined in life. I like to think I'm in control of my own actions. I don't like the idea of an outside "entitiy" being in control of my destiny.
I've nearly ended my life before now, but to be honest, when the time comes, I'd like death to take me by surprise.
I could name I day that I have wanted to die. I didn't have enough courage. I'm rather thankful for that.
Easy to say you'd get bored of living, but could you name the day you wanted to die?
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