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http://www.observer.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12239,905936,00.html
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*shakes head*
And Britain blindly follows this arrogant, contemptous-of-the-law nation of murderous liars and cowardly xenophobes.
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*shakes head*
And Britain blindly follows this arrogant, contemptous-of-the-law nation of murderous liars and cowardly xenophobes.
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I take a pretty similar view to IB. I find it hard to formulate a view because I don't really care. None of it really affects me.
Although I do think we could send a small task force in to target Saddam and not his people - at least it should be tried before full scale war. But they don't really want to take him out, just move him slightly. So I don't know.
Although I do think we could send a small task force in to target Saddam and not his people - at least it should be tried before full scale war. But they don't really want to take him out, just move him slightly. So I don't know.
Goatboy wrote:
> I thought you quit this forum?
Well after seeing you and IB in the Xbox Forum I figured whats the difference.....
> I thought you quit this forum?
Well after seeing you and IB in the Xbox Forum I figured whats the difference.....
I thought you quit this forum?
Nice points though, and reasonably put.
Personally I don't blame America for all the worlds problems. I do blame them for the situation in The Middle East concerning Iran/Iraq and Afghanistan though.
Now I'm off out to have fun.
Nice points though, and reasonably put.
Personally I don't blame America for all the worlds problems. I do blame them for the situation in The Middle East concerning Iran/Iraq and Afghanistan though.
Now I'm off out to have fun.
Insane Bartender wrote:
> And that concerns you for what reason exactly?
Because I am genuinely interested, how can we have all - in so many places across so many countries - have become divided by one small country ?
I think Iraq is guilty.
Other don't.
That is mirrored across the world as far up as the leaders of countries. Yes, fair point, what I, you, and anyone else here says, has no bearing at all on the result, but the same can be said for many things, yet still people debate it, and take an interest in it.
How come we started the new millennium with high hopes, with virtually no major threats, relative prosperity in some of the world, efforts to help other places in the world e.t.c for it to all fall apart so fast.
If anyone had said, on January 2000 that there would be war in Afghanistan, and explosion of terrorism, war in Iraq, N.Korea kicking up a fuss e.t.c they'd have been told they were drunk. But none of us, this is real.
To some degree the causes lie in the past, to the Cold War, and who we allied ourselves with, but other reasons go back further that that. I don't accept that America is the root of all the world's problems, because it isn't, not all of them. Maybe that is where we - and forgive me if this sounds daft - go wrong. We look for whom to blame for a problem, and not how to solve the problem. Even when we do focus on a problem, it becomes a debate over how to solve it, and little is really done. When a situation is created where one side feels ignored and misunderstood it is easy to see how actions are taken not because they are the best ones, but because one side just wants action.
Sory if this all rambles on, but its what I think.
> And that concerns you for what reason exactly?
Because I am genuinely interested, how can we have all - in so many places across so many countries - have become divided by one small country ?
I think Iraq is guilty.
Other don't.
That is mirrored across the world as far up as the leaders of countries. Yes, fair point, what I, you, and anyone else here says, has no bearing at all on the result, but the same can be said for many things, yet still people debate it, and take an interest in it.
How come we started the new millennium with high hopes, with virtually no major threats, relative prosperity in some of the world, efforts to help other places in the world e.t.c for it to all fall apart so fast.
If anyone had said, on January 2000 that there would be war in Afghanistan, and explosion of terrorism, war in Iraq, N.Korea kicking up a fuss e.t.c they'd have been told they were drunk. But none of us, this is real.
To some degree the causes lie in the past, to the Cold War, and who we allied ourselves with, but other reasons go back further that that. I don't accept that America is the root of all the world's problems, because it isn't, not all of them. Maybe that is where we - and forgive me if this sounds daft - go wrong. We look for whom to blame for a problem, and not how to solve the problem. Even when we do focus on a problem, it becomes a debate over how to solve it, and little is really done. When a situation is created where one side feels ignored and misunderstood it is easy to see how actions are taken not because they are the best ones, but because one side just wants action.
Sory if this all rambles on, but its what I think.
Yeah sorry lakers. I forget sometimes that I know what I mean to say and unless I put all the words down, it may not come across like that!
My bad
My bad
fair enough. sorry for misunderstanding
Crossed wires, you misunderstood and I didn't make myself clear enough.
Americans are some of the nicest people around.
American leaders are historically little better than mouthpieces for big-business and have no interest in acting in a dignified manner.
Americans are some of the nicest people around.
American leaders are historically little better than mouthpieces for big-business and have no interest in acting in a dignified manner.
Goatboy wrote:
> Oh, and Lakersrule, I'm not stereotyping the people. As someone with
> American relatives, and I'll repeat myself one more time for the cheap
> seats, as a people they are welcoming, friendly and trusting.
> As a nation/government, they are overbearing, clueless, violent and
> dictatorial.
It might be my interpretation but if you say nation, to me you are including the ordinary citizens of America in that as a whole, so in my opinion you were calling not only George Bush jnr and his government "arrogant, contemptous-of-the-law, murderous liars and cowardly xenophobes" but also the American people, which i know for a fact they are not.
Again i say it could be my interpretation of the word nation here, which you used, which could have led to my misunderstanding.
> Oh, and Lakersrule, I'm not stereotyping the people. As someone with
> American relatives, and I'll repeat myself one more time for the cheap
> seats, as a people they are welcoming, friendly and trusting.
> As a nation/government, they are overbearing, clueless, violent and
> dictatorial.
It might be my interpretation but if you say nation, to me you are including the ordinary citizens of America in that as a whole, so in my opinion you were calling not only George Bush jnr and his government "arrogant, contemptous-of-the-law, murderous liars and cowardly xenophobes" but also the American people, which i know for a fact they are not.
Again i say it could be my interpretation of the word nation here, which you used, which could have led to my misunderstanding.
Star Fury wrote:
And again, I'm really interested in what anyone who thinks Iraq is
> innocent would do if a war uncovers the evidence that proves
> otherwise.
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That's a***-about-face.
It should be uncovering evidence before waging war.
And that is the crux of this anti-war feeling.
And I have not for one moment said Iraq is innocent of anything. Merely that the methods and proof offered is not solid enough, in my opinion, to merit the ruthless bombing of a country that may very well respond with these WOMD that have not been found.
And again, I'm really interested in what anyone who thinks Iraq is
> innocent would do if a war uncovers the evidence that proves
> otherwise.
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That's a***-about-face.
It should be uncovering evidence before waging war.
And that is the crux of this anti-war feeling.
And I have not for one moment said Iraq is innocent of anything. Merely that the methods and proof offered is not solid enough, in my opinion, to merit the ruthless bombing of a country that may very well respond with these WOMD that have not been found.
And that concerns you for what reason exactly?
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