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Is it any surprise when they elect utter morons who are beholden only to big business and who have absolutely no interest in representing the people of the country they preside over?
There's only a limited amount of time that other nations can be kept poor and dependant before trouble kicks off...
Is it any surprise when they elect utter morons who are beholden only to big business and who have absolutely no interest in representing the people of the country they preside over?
There's only a limited amount of time that other nations can be kept poor and dependant before trouble kicks off...
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Light wrote:
>And Americans actually wonders why people hate them?
"sigh"
Could you have put that a different way to better suit the topic.
>And Americans actually wonders why people hate them?
"sigh"
Could you have put that a different way to better suit the topic.
Light wrote:
>And Americans actually wonders why people hate them?
"sigh"
Could you have put that a different way to better suit the topic.
>And Americans actually wonders why people hate them?
"sigh"
Could you have put that a different way to better suit the topic.
Okay, fine, say that, but how does it change anything other than to give you a false moral high ground for yourself ?
To a lot of people the death of nearly 3000 odd people on 9/11 seemed to have really good reasons, in fact a fair few people suggested it was almost deserved.
No one deserves to die, but they will continue to do so, because no one has the will to step in when they should. This isn't just about America and drugs, it's about every single government there is, and the other regimes doing what they have to, instead of what is morally right. The problem is that the one organisation that could have made so much difference to the world, the United Nations, has become a joke, used for the ends of competing nations to barter for power and concessions, because to make it anything else scares people.
~~Belldandy~~
To a lot of people the death of nearly 3000 odd people on 9/11 seemed to have really good reasons, in fact a fair few people suggested it was almost deserved.
No one deserves to die, but they will continue to do so, because no one has the will to step in when they should. This isn't just about America and drugs, it's about every single government there is, and the other regimes doing what they have to, instead of what is morally right. The problem is that the one organisation that could have made so much difference to the world, the United Nations, has become a joke, used for the ends of competing nations to barter for power and concessions, because to make it anything else scares people.
~~Belldandy~~
Well I said it before and I'm happy to say it again:
It's funny, isn't it, that there is always a really, really good reason why millions of poor people should die?
It's funny, isn't it, that there is always a really, really good reason why millions of poor people should die?
unknown kernel wrote:
> It's funny, isn't it, that there is always a really, really good
> reason why millions of poor people should die? African countries
> don't want to be 'bailed out' by America - they want the right to
> produce their own supplies of the drugs that can save millions of
> lives. The pharmaceutical companies already make their profits from
> us, the people who can afford it. There is no rational way to defend
> witholding AIDS drugs; doing so is the best example of international
> terrorism that I can think of.
It isn't witholding them if they can't afford them, is it ? And, seeeing as the places that want to reproduce them are in India and Brazil then they don't want to produce their own, they want to buy cheap versions.
Look at our own NHS, it's underfunded because "we can afford it" ? Yeah right....
In a perfect world everyone would have access to everything, but that isn't the case. Drugs companies need to make profits to fund new drugs, the more revenue they lose the less effective they will be in the future, a future where they will be needed more than ever before, if for nothing else then because it is only a matter of time before we see a bioterrorist attack. Scaremongering ? No, simple fact. The acutal attack isn't hard to do, it's covering the trail of evidence that will have so far stopped anyone doing this.
African nations, and many others, spend a vast amount of time bemoaning America, and the west in general. We're everything from bad to satan himself, and they wonder why politicians reject help ? Look at Zimbabwe, it's going right down the metaphorical plug hole, and anyone who intervenes is evil Johnny Westerner out to colonise the place... and a fair few African nations support Zimbabwe, despite the millions starving their. Why has no one intervened ? Because there is little reason to, everyone has pulled out their own foreign nationals who wanted to leave, and now we'll just sit back, because the moment we do anything else we turn large parts of the world against the West.
This wil be something increasingly seen, American and other allied forces wil stop being akin to a world police force and will only take action in dire circumstances, places like Zimbabwe will be left to fight their own battles. This isn't good, but inevitable.
~~Belldandy~~
> It's funny, isn't it, that there is always a really, really good
> reason why millions of poor people should die? African countries
> don't want to be 'bailed out' by America - they want the right to
> produce their own supplies of the drugs that can save millions of
> lives. The pharmaceutical companies already make their profits from
> us, the people who can afford it. There is no rational way to defend
> witholding AIDS drugs; doing so is the best example of international
> terrorism that I can think of.
It isn't witholding them if they can't afford them, is it ? And, seeeing as the places that want to reproduce them are in India and Brazil then they don't want to produce their own, they want to buy cheap versions.
Look at our own NHS, it's underfunded because "we can afford it" ? Yeah right....
In a perfect world everyone would have access to everything, but that isn't the case. Drugs companies need to make profits to fund new drugs, the more revenue they lose the less effective they will be in the future, a future where they will be needed more than ever before, if for nothing else then because it is only a matter of time before we see a bioterrorist attack. Scaremongering ? No, simple fact. The acutal attack isn't hard to do, it's covering the trail of evidence that will have so far stopped anyone doing this.
African nations, and many others, spend a vast amount of time bemoaning America, and the west in general. We're everything from bad to satan himself, and they wonder why politicians reject help ? Look at Zimbabwe, it's going right down the metaphorical plug hole, and anyone who intervenes is evil Johnny Westerner out to colonise the place... and a fair few African nations support Zimbabwe, despite the millions starving their. Why has no one intervened ? Because there is little reason to, everyone has pulled out their own foreign nationals who wanted to leave, and now we'll just sit back, because the moment we do anything else we turn large parts of the world against the West.
This wil be something increasingly seen, American and other allied forces wil stop being akin to a world police force and will only take action in dire circumstances, places like Zimbabwe will be left to fight their own battles. This isn't good, but inevitable.
~~Belldandy~~
Today's news confirmed all my worst fears about George Bush. He is beneath contempt.
First there is the AIDS drugs scandal. Then there is the program to build some new nuclear weapons:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,898550,00.html
And then there was a very interesting bunch of interviews with a dozen historians, who poured scorn on the false parallels being drawn between Hitler in 38, and (pffft) Saddam in 2003:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,898414,00.html
And all this over just five pages of The Guardian! Well done, George!
Belldandy wrote:
> 1 - Look at the drugs situation from the point of view of the makers -
> yes, the US pharmeceutical - who have paid millions, sometimes
> billions of US$, to design, test, develop drugs for use against
> disease. Now, they're been asked to let other companies use all that
> work, for very little in the way of benefit ? Surely it is the job of
> agencies like the UN to provide help on this, as well as the IMF and
> WB. In the long term these countries cannot be continuously bailed out
> by America.
It's funny, isn't it, that there is always a really, really good reason why millions of poor people should die? African countries don't want to be 'bailed out' by America - they want the right to produce their own supplies of the drugs that can save millions of lives. The pharmaceutical companies already make their profits from us, the people who can afford it. There is no rational way to defend witholding AIDS drugs; doing so is the best example of international terrorism that I can think of.
First there is the AIDS drugs scandal. Then there is the program to build some new nuclear weapons:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,898550,00.html
And then there was a very interesting bunch of interviews with a dozen historians, who poured scorn on the false parallels being drawn between Hitler in 38, and (pffft) Saddam in 2003:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,898414,00.html
And all this over just five pages of The Guardian! Well done, George!
Belldandy wrote:
> 1 - Look at the drugs situation from the point of view of the makers -
> yes, the US pharmeceutical - who have paid millions, sometimes
> billions of US$, to design, test, develop drugs for use against
> disease. Now, they're been asked to let other companies use all that
> work, for very little in the way of benefit ? Surely it is the job of
> agencies like the UN to provide help on this, as well as the IMF and
> WB. In the long term these countries cannot be continuously bailed out
> by America.
It's funny, isn't it, that there is always a really, really good reason why millions of poor people should die? African countries don't want to be 'bailed out' by America - they want the right to produce their own supplies of the drugs that can save millions of lives. The pharmaceutical companies already make their profits from us, the people who can afford it. There is no rational way to defend witholding AIDS drugs; doing so is the best example of international terrorism that I can think of.
Three things;
1 - Look at the drugs situation from the point of view of the makers - yes, the US pharmeceutical - who have paid millions, sometimes billions of US$, to design, test, develop drugs for use against disease. Now, they're been asked to let other companies use all that work, for very little in the way of benefit ? Surely it is the job of agencies like the UN to provide help on this, as well as the IMF and WB. In the long term these countries cannot be continuously bailed out by America.
2 - Loads of people hate / dislike / condemn America and the current administration, and pretty much most recent administrations as well. Foreign policy, national polict, military actions, aid, lack of aid, trade...in short it can do nothing right in most people's eyes. But hang on one minute. Yes, the US won't allow certain drugs to be reproduced, the US does want to finish off Saddam, the US peace plan for the Middle East failed..and so on. But, maybe, the problem is that despite hating America, too many are looking to it to be more than it can be. Is anyone asking Europe to help out with drugs ? Could Europe actually take on Saddam , and win ? Nope......
3 - Iraq. Bush, and Blair, along with their allies, read the same polls as we do, they see the same tv, the same editorials e.t.c. They know how many people don't want a war, or to sort our Iraq, they know the damage it is doing them, and yet they still continue. Neither man is politically suicidal, or stupid, they know all the opposition. yet they continue to stand firm. They believe what they are doing is right.
Now, both men were elected to lead their respective countries - even Bush was, and if anyone can actually prove dirt tricks in the US election then I suggest presenting it and selling it to the media. Both, elected by a majority under their respective voting system, to act as leaders, to take the decisions, to do the deeds so to speak. So, when it comes to something where this leadership is required - Iraq - all of a sudden they are both wrong.
What the hell did we elect them for ? Maybe we should change the job descriptions ??
"You have absolute final authority on decisions effecting the country, except where those decisions are major ones, in which case the sector of the public which is most vocal, and not always entirely informed, and consisting of many conflicting agendas, gets to decide".
We elected them, so quit whining. Anyone whose really bothered can vote next time around.....And consider this, what happens IF there is a war, and at the end of it - or during it - Iraq is found to have, or uses, weapons of mass destruction ? Why is Kuwait drilling for that possiblity when, according to so many, Iraq has none ? Side stepping excuses at the ready chaps...
~~Belldandy~~
1 - Look at the drugs situation from the point of view of the makers - yes, the US pharmeceutical - who have paid millions, sometimes billions of US$, to design, test, develop drugs for use against disease. Now, they're been asked to let other companies use all that work, for very little in the way of benefit ? Surely it is the job of agencies like the UN to provide help on this, as well as the IMF and WB. In the long term these countries cannot be continuously bailed out by America.
2 - Loads of people hate / dislike / condemn America and the current administration, and pretty much most recent administrations as well. Foreign policy, national polict, military actions, aid, lack of aid, trade...in short it can do nothing right in most people's eyes. But hang on one minute. Yes, the US won't allow certain drugs to be reproduced, the US does want to finish off Saddam, the US peace plan for the Middle East failed..and so on. But, maybe, the problem is that despite hating America, too many are looking to it to be more than it can be. Is anyone asking Europe to help out with drugs ? Could Europe actually take on Saddam , and win ? Nope......
3 - Iraq. Bush, and Blair, along with their allies, read the same polls as we do, they see the same tv, the same editorials e.t.c. They know how many people don't want a war, or to sort our Iraq, they know the damage it is doing them, and yet they still continue. Neither man is politically suicidal, or stupid, they know all the opposition. yet they continue to stand firm. They believe what they are doing is right.
Now, both men were elected to lead their respective countries - even Bush was, and if anyone can actually prove dirt tricks in the US election then I suggest presenting it and selling it to the media. Both, elected by a majority under their respective voting system, to act as leaders, to take the decisions, to do the deeds so to speak. So, when it comes to something where this leadership is required - Iraq - all of a sudden they are both wrong.
What the hell did we elect them for ? Maybe we should change the job descriptions ??
"You have absolute final authority on decisions effecting the country, except where those decisions are major ones, in which case the sector of the public which is most vocal, and not always entirely informed, and consisting of many conflicting agendas, gets to decide".
We elected them, so quit whining. Anyone whose really bothered can vote next time around.....And consider this, what happens IF there is a war, and at the end of it - or during it - Iraq is found to have, or uses, weapons of mass destruction ? Why is Kuwait drilling for that possiblity when, according to so many, Iraq has none ? Side stepping excuses at the ready chaps...
~~Belldandy~~
Bush is going too far with this war thing
And countless other documentaries.
And the news.
And hundreds of websites.
And anything that has anything to do with them that reaches any form of media known to man.
Like I said, some of them are alright. Shame about the vast ignorant majority. They're almost as bad as the average Brit, and before anyone says anything, yes, we have an awful worldwide reputation.
And the news.
And hundreds of websites.
And anything that has anything to do with them that reaches any form of media known to man.
Like I said, some of them are alright. Shame about the vast ignorant majority. They're almost as bad as the average Brit, and before anyone says anything, yes, we have an awful worldwide reputation.
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