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Wed 22/01/03 at 13:40
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Any day now I'll be receiving my letter from the DVLA telling me that my car tax is due, and that I need to go and pay £160 to renew it for a year. However after paying this every year for the past 5 years I'm beginning to wonder just what the money goes towards other than supplying Tony Blair with a years supply of Just for Men. The money paid for road tax is meant, and I reiterate that, MEANT to pay for the upkeep of the roads, seeing as you want to use them. What I've noticed though is that everyday I drive to work over several pot holes, meteor craters and dinosaur footprints, not out of choice but out of the fact that my money isn't going where it should be. Well where is it going I hear you cry...well the answer is, I don't actually know.

There are people like Ken Livingston whos saying that public transport needs to be improved, but it's not just a case of speeding it up like he thinks. If he wants to get people out of cars and onto public transport then he needs to buy newer buses that don't look as flimsy as a tin of corned beef, and he needs to make them more comfortable. One of the main reasons that you wouldn't catch me on public transport is the fact that quite simply you end up sitting next to some genetic freak, who smells of rotting cabbages. Then theres the fact that in a car you have control of the heating, the music, the speed...and it's, forgive me if I'm wrong, slightly more of a babe magnet than a bus. So if Ken Livingston wants public transport improved he's going to have to do slightly more than introduce bus lanes (that's one thing your car tax money has been used for), and painting bits of road red or green, because I for one am not fooled by the kaleidoscope effect on the roads. If I'm giving the government £160 a year on top of my petrol tax of 80%, I want to know what the fat cats are doing with it (other than buying Jaguars to add to your collection).

What really annoys me with having to pay my road tax is that just because my car is 1.6L I have to pay more than someone with an engine under 1.6L even though my car is new and has extremely low emissions. The difference doesn't make me want to a smaller engined car which is what the scheme is trying to do...if anything it's annoying me so much that I want to go out and buy a 5.7L Corvette...lets see how they like that....although that is kinda shooting myself in the foot somewhat. But surely if we are paying ROAD tax, it's for the use of the roads and their up keep and so therefore it shouldn't matter how bigger engined your car is or how often you use the road...we should all pay the same.

As for Ken Livingstons congestion charge of £5 a day to get into London...can someone get him a clowns outfit. He thinks that the money will go towards improving public transport...therefore I want public transport to be like my car...only costs £1 in petrol to get to work from where I live - not £3 bus charge, I want airvents for every seat with hot and cold options, I want seats to be individual so that you don't end up with an elephant encroaching on your side of the seat, and I want to have my own sound system for my seat so I can listen to something else other than the weirdoes at the back of the bus singing cum-by-ya!
Wed 22/01/03 at 22:14
"High polygon count"
Posts: 15,624
Mr Lover Man wrote:
> SUV's....you've lost me?

Sports Utility Vehicles - an American term for 4x4's such as the Frontera, Shogun, Land Rovers, etc.
Wed 22/01/03 at 21:59
Regular
"bearded n dangerous"
Posts: 754
Write (or email, it's easier) to your local Labour MP, and ask him to send you details of how car tax is being split between local councils (responsible for the upkeep of local roads) and the country-wide body concerned with the motorways.

You're entitled to that information - find out, and then you'll know whether you're entitled to complain or not. It's possible that perhaps there's just not enough money raised by road tax to cover the cost of upkeep of the roads - ever think of that?
Wed 22/01/03 at 21:46
Regular
Posts: 493
Or†ega wrote:
> they just resurfaced two long roads in my town!
>
> Mind you, they both looked as though they hadnt been touched since the
> romans invaded. Was like driving down a minefield.
>
> The motorways are still a joke though. Takes me 1 hour getting to Uni
> in the mornings (20 mile journey) which usually takes 20 mins. The
> problem is that a section of it is only 2 lanes wide...widening it to
> 3 lines would make life soooooo much easier...

Easier, or encourage more cars to use the road. Anyway i'm not having a dig at car drivers, i've had 13 hours of lessons at the moment. Also there is a massive hole in my road that had been highlited for about two weeks now. Should be dealt with, just because of the fact its my road :)
Wed 22/01/03 at 21:09
Regular
Posts: 15,579
For gods sake.

We pay like 80% tax on petrol.
Wed 22/01/03 at 21:08
Regular
Posts: 15,579
they just resurfaced two long roads in my town!

Mind you, they both looked as though they hadnt been touched since the romans invaded. Was like driving down a minefield.

The motorways are still a joke though. Takes me 1 hour getting to Uni in the mornings (20 mile journey) which usually takes 20 mins. The problem is that a section of it is only 2 lanes wide...widening it to 3 lines would make life soooooo much easier...
Wed 22/01/03 at 21:07
Regular
Posts: 493
Mr Lover Man wrote:
> unknown kernel wrote:
> Frankly I'm fed up of my taxes subsidising car users. You pollute
> the
> air, make walking more unpleasant, and travelling on public
> transport
> is slower because the roads are clogged up with SUVs.
>
> Emissions from cars are only responsable for 2% of air
> pollution...believe it or not the rest omes from natural sources from
> the earth!
>
> SUV's....you've lost me?


Hmmm like to see where you got those statistics from. Anyway your argument is flawed in many ways. Firstly car users do get it easy, there are massive subsidies for car users, how many motorways do you pay for? Rail users have to pay a lot more, for worse service. Car taxes are meant to be used for roads but there are so many road users and probably very few workers to keep every single road in good condition while keeping the road operational and clear, just so road users dont moan some more.
Wed 22/01/03 at 16:08
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"Brooklyn boy"
Posts: 14,935
what are you paying for?

Most probably all those nice little cameras that are hidden behind advertising boards and all those policepeople who wait in hiding with speed guns instead of actually doing some real police work and catching criminals and actually punishing them. Just a theory though :)
Wed 22/01/03 at 16:05
Regular
"Big Pimpin'"
Posts: 664
unknown kernel wrote:
> Frankly I'm fed up of my taxes subsidising car users. You pollute the
> air, make walking more unpleasant, and travelling on public transport
> is slower because the roads are clogged up with SUVs.

Emissions from cars are only responsable for 2% of air pollution...believe it or not the rest omes from natural sources from the earth!

SUV's....you've lost me?
Wed 22/01/03 at 16:01
Regular
"relocated"
Posts: 2,833
Frankly I'm fed up of my taxes subsidising car users. You pollute the air, make walking more unpleasant, and travelling on public transport is slower because the roads are clogged up with SUVs.
Wed 22/01/03 at 13:40
Regular
"Big Pimpin'"
Posts: 664
Any day now I'll be receiving my letter from the DVLA telling me that my car tax is due, and that I need to go and pay £160 to renew it for a year. However after paying this every year for the past 5 years I'm beginning to wonder just what the money goes towards other than supplying Tony Blair with a years supply of Just for Men. The money paid for road tax is meant, and I reiterate that, MEANT to pay for the upkeep of the roads, seeing as you want to use them. What I've noticed though is that everyday I drive to work over several pot holes, meteor craters and dinosaur footprints, not out of choice but out of the fact that my money isn't going where it should be. Well where is it going I hear you cry...well the answer is, I don't actually know.

There are people like Ken Livingston whos saying that public transport needs to be improved, but it's not just a case of speeding it up like he thinks. If he wants to get people out of cars and onto public transport then he needs to buy newer buses that don't look as flimsy as a tin of corned beef, and he needs to make them more comfortable. One of the main reasons that you wouldn't catch me on public transport is the fact that quite simply you end up sitting next to some genetic freak, who smells of rotting cabbages. Then theres the fact that in a car you have control of the heating, the music, the speed...and it's, forgive me if I'm wrong, slightly more of a babe magnet than a bus. So if Ken Livingston wants public transport improved he's going to have to do slightly more than introduce bus lanes (that's one thing your car tax money has been used for), and painting bits of road red or green, because I for one am not fooled by the kaleidoscope effect on the roads. If I'm giving the government £160 a year on top of my petrol tax of 80%, I want to know what the fat cats are doing with it (other than buying Jaguars to add to your collection).

What really annoys me with having to pay my road tax is that just because my car is 1.6L I have to pay more than someone with an engine under 1.6L even though my car is new and has extremely low emissions. The difference doesn't make me want to a smaller engined car which is what the scheme is trying to do...if anything it's annoying me so much that I want to go out and buy a 5.7L Corvette...lets see how they like that....although that is kinda shooting myself in the foot somewhat. But surely if we are paying ROAD tax, it's for the use of the roads and their up keep and so therefore it shouldn't matter how bigger engined your car is or how often you use the road...we should all pay the same.

As for Ken Livingstons congestion charge of £5 a day to get into London...can someone get him a clowns outfit. He thinks that the money will go towards improving public transport...therefore I want public transport to be like my car...only costs £1 in petrol to get to work from where I live - not £3 bus charge, I want airvents for every seat with hot and cold options, I want seats to be individual so that you don't end up with an elephant encroaching on your side of the seat, and I want to have my own sound system for my seat so I can listen to something else other than the weirdoes at the back of the bus singing cum-by-ya!

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