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Absolu† Neó wrote:
> So your finding it difficult to believe the skysports website, try
No, not just Sky - ANY media will blow it up out of proportion.
> Wenger has contradicted himself, if he hasnt seen the incident why
> comment on it? specially with stupid comments like "protecting
> the ball with your elbows!" idiot.
Like I've already said - for the hard of reading - he said he didn't see it on the interview immediately after the game. He will obviously have seen it since. And I still say he's wrong. They showed the replay enough on SKy Sports, and the contact was NOT from the elbow. The media in any form can say what they like in their over-reactive written reports. I'm going by what I saw with my own eyes - there was no elbow involved.
> Then why does ref's seem to overlook certain incidents and the FA
> don't? If they are the same thing then they should be in agreement
> over challenges and dismissels but yesterday and in the past, the
> referee chose 'not comment' so once again we will see the FA give
> Bergy a 'pocket money fine'.
A ban should only follow if there was *intent*. I've already explained why I believe there was no intent - you'll just have to go back and read it.
Roeder himself has already said that he wouldn't have expected any more than a free kick, so all you whining Mancs are simply getting uptight over a non-event, simply because you didn't close the gap to 2 or 3 points, as far as I'm concerned!
> I cannot comment on something I haven't seen,
Ah! Did you not watch the game, then? You can't have missed it if you did. Or is it your turn for this mysterious selective vision?
> but if it did happen,
It did.
> it doesnt compare to the 3 or 4 incidents which Arsenal have got away
> with this season.
Okay, so if we're going by the letter of the law, what about all the times the ManYoo players have surrounded the ref after disagreeing with a decision? Ashley Cole is currently serving a 2-match suspension for 'foul and abusive language' - why not Gary Neville, after recently being clearly seen telling the referee to "f**k off"?
The whole problem is consistency, or the lack of, among officials and the FA.
Maybe Arsenal have got away with a few things, but as a ManYoo fan, you can't shout about *anything*, because your team isn't exactly known for their gentlemanly behaviouor either!
> So your finding it difficult to believe the skysports website, try
No, not just Sky - ANY media will blow it up out of proportion.
> Wenger has contradicted himself, if he hasnt seen the incident why
> comment on it? specially with stupid comments like "protecting
> the ball with your elbows!" idiot.
Like I've already said - for the hard of reading - he said he didn't see it on the interview immediately after the game. He will obviously have seen it since. And I still say he's wrong. They showed the replay enough on SKy Sports, and the contact was NOT from the elbow. The media in any form can say what they like in their over-reactive written reports. I'm going by what I saw with my own eyes - there was no elbow involved.
> Then why does ref's seem to overlook certain incidents and the FA
> don't? If they are the same thing then they should be in agreement
> over challenges and dismissels but yesterday and in the past, the
> referee chose 'not comment' so once again we will see the FA give
> Bergy a 'pocket money fine'.
A ban should only follow if there was *intent*. I've already explained why I believe there was no intent - you'll just have to go back and read it.
Roeder himself has already said that he wouldn't have expected any more than a free kick, so all you whining Mancs are simply getting uptight over a non-event, simply because you didn't close the gap to 2 or 3 points, as far as I'm concerned!
> I cannot comment on something I haven't seen,
Ah! Did you not watch the game, then? You can't have missed it if you did. Or is it your turn for this mysterious selective vision?
> but if it did happen,
It did.
> it doesnt compare to the 3 or 4 incidents which Arsenal have got away
> with this season.
Okay, so if we're going by the letter of the law, what about all the times the ManYoo players have surrounded the ref after disagreeing with a decision? Ashley Cole is currently serving a 2-match suspension for 'foul and abusive language' - why not Gary Neville, after recently being clearly seen telling the referee to "f**k off"?
The whole problem is consistency, or the lack of, among officials and the FA.
Maybe Arsenal have got away with a few things, but as a ManYoo fan, you can't shout about *anything*, because your team isn't exactly known for their gentlemanly behaviouor either!
§n][pe® wrote:
Shut up man u fans its okay for van swan to hit one of ours players in the nuts and get away with it and u wont shut up when the player says he didnt do it intentionally.
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Hmmm, it looks like baby's ready for his bottle.
Shut up man u fans its okay for van swan to hit one of ours players in the nuts and get away with it and u wont shut up when the player says he didnt do it intentionally.
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Hmmm, it looks like baby's ready for his bottle.
Shut up man u fans its okay for van swan to hit one of ours players in the nuts and get away with it and u wont shut up when the player says he didnt do it intentionally.
WòókieeMøn§†€® wrote:
> Don't believe everythinig you read on Sky Sports website. Wenger said
> in his post-match interview that he didn't see the incident.
So your finding it difficult to believe the skysports website, try
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/ (SPACE) hi/football/eng_prem/2674549.stm
http://www.teamtalk.com/teamtalk/ Team_News/0,1562,2,00.html#577626
I take it the BBC, Teamtalk.com and Skysports are lying now then?
Wenger has contradicted himself, if he hasnt seen the incident why comment on it? specially with stupid comments like "protecting the ball with your elbows!" idiot.
> The fact that you've stated that the FA pick up on these things shows
> that Arsenal DON'T get away with anything! Refs/The FA - they're one
> and the same as far as I'm concerned.
Then why does ref's seem to overlook certain incidents and the FA don't? If they are the same thing then they should be in agreement over challenges and dismissels but yesterday and in the past, the referee chose 'not comment' so once again we will see the FA give Bergy a 'pocket money fine'.
> He was fined - that's not "getting away with it". They
> clearly didn't think that the "stamp" was intentional.
Lol what a joke - in the mean time other players in similar positions get bans and high fines but he HAS got away with it, because it is small change - if your found guilty of something then a full penalty should be given and if your not then you shouldnt get anything, if they felt the stamp wasnt intentional then why give him any kind of fine? - - because unintentional is simply not guilty.
> If you want to talk about players "getting away" with
> things, I will again point you to the title-winning match at OT last
> season, and RvN's punch on Ljungberg - the only incident of any type
> which I can recall the FA NOT referring to their video panel AT ALL.
I cannot comment on something I haven't seen, but if it did happen, it doesnt compare to the 3 or 4 incidents which Arsenal have got away with this season.
> Don't believe everythinig you read on Sky Sports website. Wenger said
> in his post-match interview that he didn't see the incident.
So your finding it difficult to believe the skysports website, try
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/ (SPACE) hi/football/eng_prem/2674549.stm
http://www.teamtalk.com/teamtalk/ Team_News/0,1562,2,00.html#577626
I take it the BBC, Teamtalk.com and Skysports are lying now then?
Wenger has contradicted himself, if he hasnt seen the incident why comment on it? specially with stupid comments like "protecting the ball with your elbows!" idiot.
> The fact that you've stated that the FA pick up on these things shows
> that Arsenal DON'T get away with anything! Refs/The FA - they're one
> and the same as far as I'm concerned.
Then why does ref's seem to overlook certain incidents and the FA don't? If they are the same thing then they should be in agreement over challenges and dismissels but yesterday and in the past, the referee chose 'not comment' so once again we will see the FA give Bergy a 'pocket money fine'.
> He was fined - that's not "getting away with it". They
> clearly didn't think that the "stamp" was intentional.
Lol what a joke - in the mean time other players in similar positions get bans and high fines but he HAS got away with it, because it is small change - if your found guilty of something then a full penalty should be given and if your not then you shouldnt get anything, if they felt the stamp wasnt intentional then why give him any kind of fine? - - because unintentional is simply not guilty.
> If you want to talk about players "getting away" with
> things, I will again point you to the title-winning match at OT last
> season, and RvN's punch on Ljungberg - the only incident of any type
> which I can recall the FA NOT referring to their video panel AT ALL.
I cannot comment on something I haven't seen, but if it did happen, it doesnt compare to the 3 or 4 incidents which Arsenal have got away with this season.
Absolu† Neó wrote:
> You mean he's a liar, cause clearly he didn't see the incident and
> therefore should refrain from making comments that makes him look
> stupid!
Don't believe everythinig you read on Sky Sports website. Wenger said in his post-match interview that he didn't see the incident. If he's since seen it on replay, then he should know that it wasn't the elbow that made contact.
> But they do? -- it's generally the FA that pick up on the 'incidents'
> that take place, which refs just tend to overlook at the time and
> thats evident from on and off the ball antics this season.
The fact that you've stated that the FA pick up on these things shows that Arsenal DON'T get away with anything! Refs/The FA - they're one and the same as far as I'm concerned.
> Even the FA let Bergkamp escape with a silly little 'pocket money' fine and no
> ban when they found him guilty of misconduct, where other players have
> got worse in the past for similar actions, not getting away with it? -
> might aswell be.
He was fined - that's not "getting away with it". They clearly didn't think that the "stamp" was intentional. And if they have any sense, the same will be seen in this 'incident' - only with no fine, as there was no intent.
If you want to talk about players "getting away" with things, I will again point you to the title-winning match at OT last season, and RvN's punch on Ljungberg - the only incident of any type which I can recall the FA NOT referring to their video panel AT ALL.
> You mean he's a liar, cause clearly he didn't see the incident and
> therefore should refrain from making comments that makes him look
> stupid!
Don't believe everythinig you read on Sky Sports website. Wenger said in his post-match interview that he didn't see the incident. If he's since seen it on replay, then he should know that it wasn't the elbow that made contact.
> But they do? -- it's generally the FA that pick up on the 'incidents'
> that take place, which refs just tend to overlook at the time and
> thats evident from on and off the ball antics this season.
The fact that you've stated that the FA pick up on these things shows that Arsenal DON'T get away with anything! Refs/The FA - they're one and the same as far as I'm concerned.
> Even the FA let Bergkamp escape with a silly little 'pocket money' fine and no
> ban when they found him guilty of misconduct, where other players have
> got worse in the past for similar actions, not getting away with it? -
> might aswell be.
He was fined - that's not "getting away with it". They clearly didn't think that the "stamp" was intentional. And if they have any sense, the same will be seen in this 'incident' - only with no fine, as there was no intent.
If you want to talk about players "getting away" with things, I will again point you to the title-winning match at OT last season, and RvN's punch on Ljungberg - the only incident of any type which I can recall the FA NOT referring to their video panel AT ALL.
WòókieeMøn§??® wrote:
> Because Mr Wenger is wrong!
You mean he's a liar, cause clearly he didn't see the incident and therefore should refrain from making comments that makes him look stupid!
> Oh, now I *know* you're taking the p!ss. Everyone knows that Arsenal
> don't get away with anything as far as ref's are concerned. In fact,
> it's usually the opposite.
But they do? -- it's generally the FA that pick up on the 'incidents' that take place, which refs just tend to overlook at the time and thats evident from on and off the ball antics this season. Even the FA let Bergkamp escape with a silly little 'pocket money' fine and no ban when they found him guilty of misconduct, where other players have got worse in the past for similar actions, not getting away with it? - might aswell be.
> Because Mr Wenger is wrong!
You mean he's a liar, cause clearly he didn't see the incident and therefore should refrain from making comments that makes him look stupid!
> Oh, now I *know* you're taking the p!ss. Everyone knows that Arsenal
> don't get away with anything as far as ref's are concerned. In fact,
> it's usually the opposite.
But they do? -- it's generally the FA that pick up on the 'incidents' that take place, which refs just tend to overlook at the time and thats evident from on and off the ball antics this season. Even the FA let Bergkamp escape with a silly little 'pocket money' fine and no ban when they found him guilty of misconduct, where other players have got worse in the past for similar actions, not getting away with it? - might aswell be.
Expletive Deleted wrote:
> Better than simply defending Bergy, how about him not giving these
> guys an excuse to start complaining?
As far as I'm concerned, there's nothing to defend him against on this occasion. I'm just telling it as I saw it.
> Better than simply defending Bergy, how about him not giving these
> guys an excuse to start complaining?
As far as I'm concerned, there's nothing to defend him against on this occasion. I'm just telling it as I saw it.
AbsoluÝ Neó wrote:
> Then why did Mr Wenger say it?
Because Mr Wenger is wrong! If you look at the replay, it was not Bergkamp's elbow that made contact - it was his forearm. And Roeder's comment about a 'push' is also wrong, because Bergkamp's hand was open, with the palm facing AWAY from Bowyer.
I don't deny there was contact, what I deny is that there was any intent. You can see quite clearly in the replays that Bergkamp doesn't even look in Bowyer's direction - the arm went out, and the speed of Bowyer's arrival, coupled with the way he was leaning forward, made the incident look far worse than it was.
> The difference is that referee's always seem to overlook elbows and
> punch like antics made by Arsenal players
Oh, now I *know* you're taking the . Everyone knows that Arsenal don't get away with anything as far as ref's are concerned. In fact, it's usually the opposite.
> Then why did Mr Wenger say it?
Because Mr Wenger is wrong! If you look at the replay, it was not Bergkamp's elbow that made contact - it was his forearm. And Roeder's comment about a 'push' is also wrong, because Bergkamp's hand was open, with the palm facing AWAY from Bowyer.
I don't deny there was contact, what I deny is that there was any intent. You can see quite clearly in the replays that Bergkamp doesn't even look in Bowyer's direction - the arm went out, and the speed of Bowyer's arrival, coupled with the way he was leaning forward, made the incident look far worse than it was.
> The difference is that referee's always seem to overlook elbows and
> punch like antics made by Arsenal players
Oh, now I *know* you're taking the . Everyone knows that Arsenal don't get away with anything as far as ref's are concerned. In fact, it's usually the opposite.
WòókieeMøn§??® wrote:
> There was no elbow contact, so it's an unanswerable question.
Then why did Mr Wenger say it?
http://msn.skysports.com/ skysports/article/0,,1-1076996,00.html
> Try asking Keane - he knows all about elbows!
The difference is that referee's always seem to overlook elbows and punch like antics made by Arsenal players hence bergkamp twice and keown.
> There was no elbow contact, so it's an unanswerable question.
Then why did Mr Wenger say it?
http://msn.skysports.com/ skysports/article/0,,1-1076996,00.html
> Try asking Keane - he knows all about elbows!
The difference is that referee's always seem to overlook elbows and punch like antics made by Arsenal players hence bergkamp twice and keown.
Arsenal, once again, have a questionable incident in their matches.
Better than simply defending Bergy, how about him not giving these guys an excuse to start complaining? He doesn't make it easy for himself.
Better than simply defending Bergy, how about him not giving these guys an excuse to start complaining? He doesn't make it easy for himself.
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