The "Freeola Customer Forum" forum, which includes Retro Game Reviews, has been archived and is now read-only. You cannot post here or create a new thread or review on this forum.
Possibly this is going in the wrong forum, but nevermind.
Something occured to me last night about violence on telly, and whether it affects people or not, which was this:
If people aren't affected by stuff on telly, then why do companies spend millions of pounds each year on television adverts?
Please don't say "Well, that's different" because it's not. In my view. Advertisers hope that people will see something on telly and want it, so they'll trot off down to the shops and buy it.
So what's the difference between that and violence? If an advert glamourises a chocolate bar, or a CD, or a book, or a supermarket, the company who made that advert will want it to influence the viewer, so that the viewer will switch to that bank, or shop at that shop, or search using that web-site, or... you get the picture.
So why is the same not said of violence?
Don't get me wrong, I don't think that every person who watched Messiah 2 the other weekend will go out and bury someone alive. That's not the point I'm trying to make. Nor am I picking on Messiah 2.
My point is that TV must influence people, even if it is just a tiny, tiny amount, otherwise advertising agencies wouldn't spend all that money out each year TRYING to influence people.
So, here is my question to you:
Does TV influence people? Even if it is influence in such a small minute way, that doesn't matter.
If you reply "Yes, I think TV does influence people, even if it's only a teeny-weeny bit." then you are backing up advertisers claims, so they are not wasting all that money. But you are also saying that people can be influenced, even in the tiniest way, by other things they see on telly.
If you answer "No, TV doesn't influence people at all, not even in the slighest, smallest way.", then you must wonder why 3 TV channels on terrestrial TV manage to survive purely from the income of adverts. But you can sleep safe in your beds knowing that people won't be influenced by anything else they see on the box.
And, in my opinion, it's as simple as that. Cut and dried. Yes or no.
Something occured to me last night about violence on telly, and whether it affects people or not, which was this:
If people aren't affected by stuff on telly, then why do companies spend millions of pounds each year on television adverts?
Please don't say "Well, that's different" because it's not. In my view. Advertisers hope that people will see something on telly and want it, so they'll trot off down to the shops and buy it.
So what's the difference between that and violence? If an advert glamourises a chocolate bar, or a CD, or a book, or a supermarket, the company who made that advert will want it to influence the viewer, so that the viewer will switch to that bank, or shop at that shop, or search using that web-site, or... you get the picture.
So why is the same not said of violence?
Don't get me wrong, I don't think that every person who watched Messiah 2 the other weekend will go out and bury someone alive. That's not the point I'm trying to make. Nor am I picking on Messiah 2.
My point is that TV must influence people, even if it is just a tiny, tiny amount, otherwise advertising agencies wouldn't spend all that money out each year TRYING to influence people.
So, here is my question to you:
Does TV influence people? Even if it is influence in such a small minute way, that doesn't matter.
If you reply "Yes, I think TV does influence people, even if it's only a teeny-weeny bit." then you are backing up advertisers claims, so they are not wasting all that money. But you are also saying that people can be influenced, even in the tiniest way, by other things they see on telly.
If you answer "No, TV doesn't influence people at all, not even in the slighest, smallest way.", then you must wonder why 3 TV channels on terrestrial TV manage to survive purely from the income of adverts. But you can sleep safe in your beds knowing that people won't be influenced by anything else they see on the box.
And, in my opinion, it's as simple as that. Cut and dried. Yes or no.
Page:
The sagacious one wrote:
> If you post another ridiculous suggestion that you could be influenced
> by violence on TV, I'll smack you up just like BA did to people on the
> A-Team.
Ahh, sarcasm is a great thing, right? Sorry, I misread your ironic statement!
> If you post another ridiculous suggestion that you could be influenced
> by violence on TV, I'll smack you up just like BA did to people on the
> A-Team.
Ahh, sarcasm is a great thing, right? Sorry, I misread your ironic statement!
It's true though. Violence on TV/videogames does influence people who already have aggresive violent tendencies. That's actually been proved in a report. however, the majority of right-thinking members of society aren't like that - it only affects a few in a minority.
If you post another ridiculous suggestion that you could be influenced by violence on TV, I'll smack you up just like BA did to people on the A-Team.
I was quite amused by the Ricin report the other day.
"Ricin is a deadly poison which can be made easily and cheaply in your own home."
Unbelievable. I can only assume they'll follow up terrorist bomb attacks by telling us all about which explosives we can make easily, too.
"Ricin is a deadly poison which can be made easily and cheaply in your own home."
Unbelievable. I can only assume they'll follow up terrorist bomb attacks by telling us all about which explosives we can make easily, too.
what really makes me laugh is all the programmes on detailed forensic analysis, telling you exactly how murderers get caught out.
So potential murderers watching know what to avoid doing...
So potential murderers watching know what to avoid doing...
The difference as far as I see it is that adverts are trying to change your current pattern.
If you were looking for a car, you might be swayed by the advert to buy that product over another by the TV advert. But if you wernt in the market for a new car, would you really see the advert and go out and buy a car? Probably not. Regardless of the car being great, or the advert looking good, you don't need or want a new car so you're not going to buy one.
So by this rationality, violence on TV isn't going to make me go out and kill a bunch of people. Sure, if I was considering killing a bunch of people then I might look towards the TV for method suggestions, but since I'm not currently planning on it, I doubt the TV will change my mind.
People who are influenced to kill a bunch of people from seeing it on the telly are just as daft as the people who will buy a new car from the advert they have just seen, and need help.
If you were looking for a car, you might be swayed by the advert to buy that product over another by the TV advert. But if you wernt in the market for a new car, would you really see the advert and go out and buy a car? Probably not. Regardless of the car being great, or the advert looking good, you don't need or want a new car so you're not going to buy one.
So by this rationality, violence on TV isn't going to make me go out and kill a bunch of people. Sure, if I was considering killing a bunch of people then I might look towards the TV for method suggestions, but since I'm not currently planning on it, I doubt the TV will change my mind.
People who are influenced to kill a bunch of people from seeing it on the telly are just as daft as the people who will buy a new car from the advert they have just seen, and need help.
TV influences people, but not in a big obvious way.
Advertising is mostly more about brand awareness than persuading people to go out and buy that product. When the time comes and you suddenly think "I could do with some home insurance" the number 0800 2 15000 will spring into your mind, along with the name 'Lombard Direct'. If you think about getting a water filter, odds are on that you'll think of Brita. You might well ingnore those thoughts, but they still appear if you like it or not.
Adverts don't make you go out an buy things in the same way that violence on TV doesn't make you go out and kill people. It just puts thoughts into your head when you're planning on doing something anyway.
So, if you were planning on killing somebody anyway, you might now decide to do it in the style of Hannibal Lecter.
Advertising is mostly more about brand awareness than persuading people to go out and buy that product. When the time comes and you suddenly think "I could do with some home insurance" the number 0800 2 15000 will spring into your mind, along with the name 'Lombard Direct'. If you think about getting a water filter, odds are on that you'll think of Brita. You might well ingnore those thoughts, but they still appear if you like it or not.
Adverts don't make you go out an buy things in the same way that violence on TV doesn't make you go out and kill people. It just puts thoughts into your head when you're planning on doing something anyway.
So, if you were planning on killing somebody anyway, you might now decide to do it in the style of Hannibal Lecter.
Well, it IS different, but I see what you're getting at.
The thing is, advertisements are informative. A product you may not know about for instance, or a product or service which has been updated or re-worked. Seeing advertisements for these things could certainly influence your spending profile.
However, should you be walking along and see a giant poster of some guy hacking another blokes face in two with an axe, i don't think it will influence you to go buy an axe and tell your brother how much you like him. More likely, you'll just see it as modern art, brush it off as some folly-ridden council campaign to promote student art design, and walk onwards.
But essentially, doesn't everything influence us? Having a TV in a room is enough to influence your environment - this is the essence of things like Feng Shui. Everything around you, everything you see, hear, feel, touch, smell and taste influences you. So on that level, sure, TV violence is going to have some effect. But that effect could be to appall you, intrigue you, make you turn the TV on, make you turn the TV up, change channel, get a drink, laugh, cry or anything else.
That's the way I look at things. Sure, TV violence will inevitably lead to some people becoming more violent themselves, but it could also inspire people to campaign against cruelty to animals, give to charity, or join the army. Everyone is a different person, we're all individuals. So while some people may become violent as a result of watching violence, these people are firstly stupid, secondly a minority and thirdly offset by those who go on to do better things.
The thing is, advertisements are informative. A product you may not know about for instance, or a product or service which has been updated or re-worked. Seeing advertisements for these things could certainly influence your spending profile.
However, should you be walking along and see a giant poster of some guy hacking another blokes face in two with an axe, i don't think it will influence you to go buy an axe and tell your brother how much you like him. More likely, you'll just see it as modern art, brush it off as some folly-ridden council campaign to promote student art design, and walk onwards.
But essentially, doesn't everything influence us? Having a TV in a room is enough to influence your environment - this is the essence of things like Feng Shui. Everything around you, everything you see, hear, feel, touch, smell and taste influences you. So on that level, sure, TV violence is going to have some effect. But that effect could be to appall you, intrigue you, make you turn the TV on, make you turn the TV up, change channel, get a drink, laugh, cry or anything else.
That's the way I look at things. Sure, TV violence will inevitably lead to some people becoming more violent themselves, but it could also inspire people to campaign against cruelty to animals, give to charity, or join the army. Everyone is a different person, we're all individuals. So while some people may become violent as a result of watching violence, these people are firstly stupid, secondly a minority and thirdly offset by those who go on to do better things.
Possibly this is going in the wrong forum, but nevermind.
Something occured to me last night about violence on telly, and whether it affects people or not, which was this:
If people aren't affected by stuff on telly, then why do companies spend millions of pounds each year on television adverts?
Please don't say "Well, that's different" because it's not. In my view. Advertisers hope that people will see something on telly and want it, so they'll trot off down to the shops and buy it.
So what's the difference between that and violence? If an advert glamourises a chocolate bar, or a CD, or a book, or a supermarket, the company who made that advert will want it to influence the viewer, so that the viewer will switch to that bank, or shop at that shop, or search using that web-site, or... you get the picture.
So why is the same not said of violence?
Don't get me wrong, I don't think that every person who watched Messiah 2 the other weekend will go out and bury someone alive. That's not the point I'm trying to make. Nor am I picking on Messiah 2.
My point is that TV must influence people, even if it is just a tiny, tiny amount, otherwise advertising agencies wouldn't spend all that money out each year TRYING to influence people.
So, here is my question to you:
Does TV influence people? Even if it is influence in such a small minute way, that doesn't matter.
If you reply "Yes, I think TV does influence people, even if it's only a teeny-weeny bit." then you are backing up advertisers claims, so they are not wasting all that money. But you are also saying that people can be influenced, even in the tiniest way, by other things they see on telly.
If you answer "No, TV doesn't influence people at all, not even in the slighest, smallest way.", then you must wonder why 3 TV channels on terrestrial TV manage to survive purely from the income of adverts. But you can sleep safe in your beds knowing that people won't be influenced by anything else they see on the box.
And, in my opinion, it's as simple as that. Cut and dried. Yes or no.
Something occured to me last night about violence on telly, and whether it affects people or not, which was this:
If people aren't affected by stuff on telly, then why do companies spend millions of pounds each year on television adverts?
Please don't say "Well, that's different" because it's not. In my view. Advertisers hope that people will see something on telly and want it, so they'll trot off down to the shops and buy it.
So what's the difference between that and violence? If an advert glamourises a chocolate bar, or a CD, or a book, or a supermarket, the company who made that advert will want it to influence the viewer, so that the viewer will switch to that bank, or shop at that shop, or search using that web-site, or... you get the picture.
So why is the same not said of violence?
Don't get me wrong, I don't think that every person who watched Messiah 2 the other weekend will go out and bury someone alive. That's not the point I'm trying to make. Nor am I picking on Messiah 2.
My point is that TV must influence people, even if it is just a tiny, tiny amount, otherwise advertising agencies wouldn't spend all that money out each year TRYING to influence people.
So, here is my question to you:
Does TV influence people? Even if it is influence in such a small minute way, that doesn't matter.
If you reply "Yes, I think TV does influence people, even if it's only a teeny-weeny bit." then you are backing up advertisers claims, so they are not wasting all that money. But you are also saying that people can be influenced, even in the tiniest way, by other things they see on telly.
If you answer "No, TV doesn't influence people at all, not even in the slighest, smallest way.", then you must wonder why 3 TV channels on terrestrial TV manage to survive purely from the income of adverts. But you can sleep safe in your beds knowing that people won't be influenced by anything else they see on the box.
And, in my opinion, it's as simple as that. Cut and dried. Yes or no.
Page: