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Being backed by Sony had nothing directly to do with it, but Sony did play a part in yet another lie-based hype-o-matic, ultimately being unable to deliver what they put on paper...
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Bullett wrote:
> I didn't say it was a Sony-only thing
Ah, but to be fair, I didn't say you did - I listed the companies behind Blu-Ray in response to English Redneck's comment.
> Yeah, this has kinda been widely known for a while now.
If Microsoft aren't sure about HD-DVD themselves, what point is their combined announcement with Intel?
Intel I can understand; as Hedfix pointed out elsewhere, manufacturing motherboards etc. could have some implications. But even so, Intel aren't the only people manufacturing such things, and other manufacturers quite often make better performing hardware anyway.
As is stated in the articles I linked to, the 360 is the only thing that would give Microsoft any interest in either format. They don't make drives, so it's of no relevance there. Windows will simply have to support the Blu-Ray format (as well as HD-DVD), because lots of people will be using them in PCs. Software aside, it seems odd that Microsoft would sign up to a format, sing its praises, then refuse to commit to using it in the one item that they might actually need it for.
All of which makes Microsoft's input appear to have little point, other than being an attempt to dismiss the technology used in a rival game system. Odd, when they may yet end up using it themselves, whether that be by choice, or - as would currently seem the more likely - necessity.
> As Hedfix kindly quoted - 'in development'.
As, apparently, is HD-DVD. Release pushed back from this year to next.
> And if you had read the article I originally posted, you'd see the
> Blu-Ray association can't even get their super 50Gb discs read
I did read it. However, if you read the articles I posted, this claim has been rejected. A quick quote to save you looking for it:
In our interview with HP's Peterson, he called Ribas' claim "absolutely ridiculous. I've seen the lines that are making dual-layer BD-ROM drives. I've been to the factories. I've seen the lines where they're making dual-layer recordable discs. So [Microsoft and Intel] saying that it's not possible is obviously misinformation that they were fed, or that they're feeding others."
Drives and discs are in production, and would they even be trying for 100GB if they hadn't cracked 50GB?
As already mentioned, it's HD-DVD that's been pushed back. The Blu-Ray release is, as yet, unchanged. Which format seems more like it's having issues?
> I didn't say it was a Sony-only thing
Ah, but to be fair, I didn't say you did - I listed the companies behind Blu-Ray in response to English Redneck's comment.
> Yeah, this has kinda been widely known for a while now.
If Microsoft aren't sure about HD-DVD themselves, what point is their combined announcement with Intel?
Intel I can understand; as Hedfix pointed out elsewhere, manufacturing motherboards etc. could have some implications. But even so, Intel aren't the only people manufacturing such things, and other manufacturers quite often make better performing hardware anyway.
As is stated in the articles I linked to, the 360 is the only thing that would give Microsoft any interest in either format. They don't make drives, so it's of no relevance there. Windows will simply have to support the Blu-Ray format (as well as HD-DVD), because lots of people will be using them in PCs. Software aside, it seems odd that Microsoft would sign up to a format, sing its praises, then refuse to commit to using it in the one item that they might actually need it for.
All of which makes Microsoft's input appear to have little point, other than being an attempt to dismiss the technology used in a rival game system. Odd, when they may yet end up using it themselves, whether that be by choice, or - as would currently seem the more likely - necessity.
> As Hedfix kindly quoted - 'in development'.
As, apparently, is HD-DVD. Release pushed back from this year to next.
> And if you had read the article I originally posted, you'd see the
> Blu-Ray association can't even get their super 50Gb discs read
I did read it. However, if you read the articles I posted, this claim has been rejected. A quick quote to save you looking for it:
In our interview with HP's Peterson, he called Ribas' claim "absolutely ridiculous. I've seen the lines that are making dual-layer BD-ROM drives. I've been to the factories. I've seen the lines where they're making dual-layer recordable discs. So [Microsoft and Intel] saying that it's not possible is obviously misinformation that they were fed, or that they're feeding others."
Drives and discs are in production, and would they even be trying for 100GB if they hadn't cracked 50GB?
As already mentioned, it's HD-DVD that's been pushed back. The Blu-Ray release is, as yet, unchanged. Which format seems more like it's having issues?
WòókieeMøn§†€® wrote:
> As Bonus pointed me here... you should see the latest info.
>
> Firstly, don't forget that Blu-Ray isn't purely a Sony thing. There
> are major companies behind it: Apple; Dell Inc.; Hewlett Packard
> Company; Hitachi Ltd.; LG Electronics Inc.; Mitsubishi Electric
> Corporation; Panasonic (Matsushita Electric); Pioneer Corporation;
> Royal Philips Electronics; Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.; Sharp
> Corporation; Sony Corporation; TDK Corporation; Thomson; Twentieth
> Century Fox; and Walt Disney Pictures and Television.
I didn't say it was a Sony-only thing - the Sony reference was due to Sony being the competition in the console market.
> It seems that Microsoft aren't that convinced of HD-DVD, either:
> [URL]http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6262261.html[/URL]
>
> "A big setback for HD DVD was the delay of the launch of its
> HD DVD players from this holiday season until sometime next year.
> Blu-ray has always set mid-2006 as its launch date, most likely with
> the launch of Sony's PlayStation 3 videogame system, which will
> incorporate Blu-ray. Microsoft will not commit to including HD DVD
> in its next-gen Xbox 360 system."
Yeah, this has kinda been widely known for a while now.
> Capacity? 100GB in development by TDK.
> [URL]http://www.tdk.com/tecpress/20050606_100gbluelaser.html[/URL]
As Hedfix kindly quoted - 'in development'.
And if you had read the article I originally posted, you'd see the Blu-Ray association can't even get their super 50Gb discs read - which kind of makes the forthcoming 100Gb ones pretty useless. It's all well and good making uber-storage discs, but if you can't even figure out the hardware to read them, they're just shiny pieces of useless plastic.
> As Bonus pointed me here... you should see the latest info.
>
> Firstly, don't forget that Blu-Ray isn't purely a Sony thing. There
> are major companies behind it: Apple; Dell Inc.; Hewlett Packard
> Company; Hitachi Ltd.; LG Electronics Inc.; Mitsubishi Electric
> Corporation; Panasonic (Matsushita Electric); Pioneer Corporation;
> Royal Philips Electronics; Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.; Sharp
> Corporation; Sony Corporation; TDK Corporation; Thomson; Twentieth
> Century Fox; and Walt Disney Pictures and Television.
I didn't say it was a Sony-only thing - the Sony reference was due to Sony being the competition in the console market.
> It seems that Microsoft aren't that convinced of HD-DVD, either:
> [URL]http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6262261.html[/URL]
>
> "A big setback for HD DVD was the delay of the launch of its
> HD DVD players from this holiday season until sometime next year.
> Blu-ray has always set mid-2006 as its launch date, most likely with
> the launch of Sony's PlayStation 3 videogame system, which will
> incorporate Blu-ray. Microsoft will not commit to including HD DVD
> in its next-gen Xbox 360 system."
Yeah, this has kinda been widely known for a while now.
> Capacity? 100GB in development by TDK.
> [URL]http://www.tdk.com/tecpress/20050606_100gbluelaser.html[/URL]
As Hedfix kindly quoted - 'in development'.
And if you had read the article I originally posted, you'd see the Blu-Ray association can't even get their super 50Gb discs read - which kind of makes the forthcoming 100Gb ones pretty useless. It's all well and good making uber-storage discs, but if you can't even figure out the hardware to read them, they're just shiny pieces of useless plastic.
"In development"
As Bonus pointed me here... you should see the latest info.
Firstly, don't forget that Blu-Ray isn't purely a Sony thing. There are major companies behind it: Apple; Dell Inc.; Hewlett Packard Company; Hitachi Ltd.; LG Electronics Inc.; Mitsubishi Electric Corporation; Panasonic (Matsushita Electric); Pioneer Corporation; Royal Philips Electronics; Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.; Sharp Corporation; Sony Corporation; TDK Corporation; Thomson; Twentieth Century Fox; and Walt Disney Pictures and Television.
Paramount have just signed up in addition to their HD-DVD agreement, with Universal and Warner apparently about to follow.
A little bit of mis-information from MS/Intel:
[URL]http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/09-29-2005/0004135071&EDATE=[/URL] - then [URL]http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050930_134726.html[/URL] - and finally [URL]http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20051003_131537.html[/URL]
It seems that Microsoft aren't that convinced of HD-DVD, either: [URL]http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6262261.html[/URL]
"A big setback for HD DVD was the delay of the launch of its HD DVD players from this holiday season until sometime next year. Blu-ray has always set mid-2006 as its launch date, most likely with the launch of Sony's PlayStation 3 videogame system, which will incorporate Blu-ray. Microsoft will not commit to including HD DVD in its next-gen Xbox 360 system."
Capacity? 100GB in development by TDK. [URL]http://www.tdk.com/tecpress/20050606_100gbluelaser.html[/URL]
Firstly, don't forget that Blu-Ray isn't purely a Sony thing. There are major companies behind it: Apple; Dell Inc.; Hewlett Packard Company; Hitachi Ltd.; LG Electronics Inc.; Mitsubishi Electric Corporation; Panasonic (Matsushita Electric); Pioneer Corporation; Royal Philips Electronics; Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.; Sharp Corporation; Sony Corporation; TDK Corporation; Thomson; Twentieth Century Fox; and Walt Disney Pictures and Television.
Paramount have just signed up in addition to their HD-DVD agreement, with Universal and Warner apparently about to follow.
A little bit of mis-information from MS/Intel:
[URL]http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/09-29-2005/0004135071&EDATE=[/URL] - then [URL]http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050930_134726.html[/URL] - and finally [URL]http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20051003_131537.html[/URL]
It seems that Microsoft aren't that convinced of HD-DVD, either: [URL]http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6262261.html[/URL]
"A big setback for HD DVD was the delay of the launch of its HD DVD players from this holiday season until sometime next year. Blu-ray has always set mid-2006 as its launch date, most likely with the launch of Sony's PlayStation 3 videogame system, which will incorporate Blu-ray. Microsoft will not commit to including HD DVD in its next-gen Xbox 360 system."
Capacity? 100GB in development by TDK. [URL]http://www.tdk.com/tecpress/20050606_100gbluelaser.html[/URL]
Indeed.
Can't say I'm surprised.
At least we're seeing some "Boy who cried wolf" fallout at last.
Can't say I'm surprised.
At least we're seeing some "Boy who cried wolf" fallout at last.
Sony lie ? Now I just can't believe that. ;-)
Being backed by Sony had nothing directly to do with it, but Sony did play a part in yet another lie-based hype-o-matic, ultimately being unable to deliver what they put on paper...
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