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Just went to a singing thing in a church today and they had a few readings which got me thinking. Firstly, how did the baby "get into" Mary in the first place if she didn't sleep around. Secondly, the priest said that Mary and Joseph were only engaged when Jesus was born, so if it was Josephs' son, Jesus would be a bas....
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It's important to remember that God isn't the property of Religion.
I think this is why certain people (myself included) have a problem with Christianity: in that it proclaims that Jesus is the only way to salvation.
I would say that only the highest mystical elements of Religions have any relevance. A true spiritual journey does not need the so-called Holy Books - they are only pointers. There comes a point when self goes beyond the constraints of words and teachings: this is the place where mysticism begins.
I think this is why certain people (myself included) have a problem with Christianity: in that it proclaims that Jesus is the only way to salvation.
I would say that only the highest mystical elements of Religions have any relevance. A true spiritual journey does not need the so-called Holy Books - they are only pointers. There comes a point when self goes beyond the constraints of words and teachings: this is the place where mysticism begins.
Thanks Goaty.
It's sort of what I said but less ranting and more intelligently thought out :D
( Crikeys - I called Goaty intelligent - oh well theres another debate then !)
It's sort of what I said but less ranting and more intelligently thought out :D
( Crikeys - I called Goaty intelligent - oh well theres another debate then !)
If anybody here can logically explain how they know for a fact that god doesn't exist, I'll listen.
Otherwise these topics are on a par with "xbox sukks".
Educated scholers cannot prove either way, so the ill-informed rantings of red-faced teens are unlikely to solve the eternal mystery.
Your task for today, in order to be able to discuss with a level of knowledge is to actually read The Bible.
And then The Koran.
And then The Torah
And a little of Tibetan Book of The Dead.
THEN maybe, only maybe, you'll be able to discuss (not argue) religious theology on a level above "my mate's cousin's sister said baby Jesus was pretend"
Otherwise these topics are on a par with "xbox sukks".
Educated scholers cannot prove either way, so the ill-informed rantings of red-faced teens are unlikely to solve the eternal mystery.
Your task for today, in order to be able to discuss with a level of knowledge is to actually read The Bible.
And then The Koran.
And then The Torah
And a little of Tibetan Book of The Dead.
THEN maybe, only maybe, you'll be able to discuss (not argue) religious theology on a level above "my mate's cousin's sister said baby Jesus was pretend"
And I wondered why I was getting peed of with these forums.
This kind of topic is complete crass.
I find it offensive that people post such rubbish and yes I have reported some of the posts here though no doubt SR will not do anything about it.
The rules state that offensive posts will be deleted but as most people on this site think that a good old bit of Christian bashing is ok they will probably have a good giggle with the rest of you and just say what a **** I am.
I am open minded, I am happy to discuss things sensibley and I do respect the opinions of people who are happy to have reasonable discussions on subjects including religion.
This sort of post is just total crap.
I am not in ahappy mood now.
This kind of topic is complete crass.
I find it offensive that people post such rubbish and yes I have reported some of the posts here though no doubt SR will not do anything about it.
The rules state that offensive posts will be deleted but as most people on this site think that a good old bit of Christian bashing is ok they will probably have a good giggle with the rest of you and just say what a **** I am.
I am open minded, I am happy to discuss things sensibley and I do respect the opinions of people who are happy to have reasonable discussions on subjects including religion.
This sort of post is just total crap.
I am not in ahappy mood now.
El Blokey wrote:
> A bloke called Jesus did exist, it's been proven.
>
> He still wasn't the son of God though, how any rational person can
> believe some stories people wrote hundreds of years after they
> happened can be the gospel truth.
Just about to say something similar. My view is that he could have just been a scapegoat for the whole Christian operation.
> And as I've said before, most miracles can be explained with modern
> science.
A bit like spontaneous combustion. The whole water into wine thing I think could be easily done - using dies or the like, or even urine, which has a ditinct taste unlike water. Most of the upper class wine sippers probably wouldn't be able to tell it from wine when they have been told it is wine. And anyway - if no water was required for this event why was there a load lying around? Excuse my ignorance on this issue, but that was a serious question.
David Blaine can performs similar things to Jesus, in a way - but then the "masked magician" comes along and proves it all as clever tricks. Even levitating. So is it not possible that these so called miracles of the Bible were just clever tricks? Maybe we should get the masked magician to tell us how they were done...
> A bloke called Jesus did exist, it's been proven.
>
> He still wasn't the son of God though, how any rational person can
> believe some stories people wrote hundreds of years after they
> happened can be the gospel truth.
Just about to say something similar. My view is that he could have just been a scapegoat for the whole Christian operation.
> And as I've said before, most miracles can be explained with modern
> science.
A bit like spontaneous combustion. The whole water into wine thing I think could be easily done - using dies or the like, or even urine, which has a ditinct taste unlike water. Most of the upper class wine sippers probably wouldn't be able to tell it from wine when they have been told it is wine. And anyway - if no water was required for this event why was there a load lying around? Excuse my ignorance on this issue, but that was a serious question.
David Blaine can performs similar things to Jesus, in a way - but then the "masked magician" comes along and proves it all as clever tricks. Even levitating. So is it not possible that these so called miracles of the Bible were just clever tricks? Maybe we should get the masked magician to tell us how they were done...
Bwahaha
Ah shut up
A bloke called Jesus did exist, it's been proven.
He still wasn't the son of God though, how any rational person can believe some stories people wrote hundreds of years after they happened can be the gospel truth.
And as I've said before, most miracles can be explained with modern science.
He still wasn't the son of God though, how any rational person can believe some stories people wrote hundreds of years after they happened can be the gospel truth.
And as I've said before, most miracles can be explained with modern science.
That was Samsung?!
I demand a refund!
I demand a refund!
Wait a minute... what did Hercules do?
He was the one with the hair right... and muscles... and he shoved these big pillars over and killed everyone coz he was strong and stuff and blind or something.
Yeah.
He was the one with the hair right... and muscles... and he shoved these big pillars over and killed everyone coz he was strong and stuff and blind or something.
Yeah.
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