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Sun 08/12/02 at 23:17
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Of the 4 men in my uni flat this year, two use moisturiser.
Why?
Because, as both the slightly camp one and the guy who doesn't fall too far from the tree of the stereotypical macho bloke say, they like to have soft skin.

Since some guy in high school came in wearing make-up one day (not to drag extremes, just seemed to be trying to look.. nice, i guess was what he was misguidedly going for) i've always responded to this with a blatant inability to understand why.
So now i'm going to give it some thought.
Because if i don't i have to go back to writing my coursework.

What comes to mind as being wrong with entering the feminine world of beauty products (FWBP)?

Well, it seems a bit pretentious on the surface, and it's not really regarded as a man thing to do.

Before the feminists try to claw apart my face i'd like to point out that i'm just going over historical fact and its logical conclusions now:
In the past, women were less able to be financially independent of men. Instead society expected them to marry off and settle down. In the dating and mating game their looks must have been a key offensive weapon, so validating the FWBP. I think i hear feminists howling at the moon tonight, so i won't be touching modern day with a ten foot pole, save to say that it's easy to see how the batton of FWBP has been passed down through the generations.
However, this isn't the only justification for self-grooming. Most people take some degree of pride in their appearance. Rumour has it some men even comb their hair (though few have been known to go near an iron. Or is that just students?)
Anyway, i think we can all accept pride in one's appearance as a norm, present in men and cats that lick themselves (though not dogs, they're really dumb if they think that makes them look nice), as it is in women.

So is there really anything wrong with men furthering their grooming with moisturiser and make-up? I guess you could argue there has to be a boudary, and it should fall short of the threshold of the FWBP, but looking at it in another light, maybe being critical of the men who do enter that once forbidden place is a deeply in-set means of trying to affect the same goal as 'excessive' grooming - that is, character the perception of others.
Raised by the cold unfartherly hand of expectation of what a man should be, attempting to assert superiority over those who defy the grain could be to pursue the 'man' goal as moisturiser seeks the beauty goal.
And in this light the moisturiser men seem to me slightly less psychologically messed up.

I started this post hoping to validate my lack of undertanding for my self-moisturising friends. At the moment i think maybe they're smarter than the rest of us. Maybe.
I've not found dry skin to be a problem yet, and by wearing make-up i would probably defeat the point of trying to look better and expose myself to all kinds of ridicule (purely from people who'd not read this thread you understand), but when the FWBP does call, as it surely will, i might just be willing to answer.
Mon 09/12/02 at 13:02
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"Infantalised Forums"
Posts: 23,089
Real men shave and wince when putting aftershave on.
Like Brut or Old Spice.

Manly smells for Men.
Moisturiser...
Mon 09/12/02 at 12:55
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Posts: 4,031
Real men shave in battery acid and use a machete, to ensure a smooth profile that women can't resist.

Then they use spurn the use of aftershave (or medical treatment) and splash on the chip fat, providing themsleves with a manly smell and a seat or even carriage, to themsleves on the tube.

Make up is evil, like wonder bras, as you can't tell what you are getting yourself into (literally) until it's too late.
Mon 09/12/02 at 11:39
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Yes it does.
Mon 09/12/02 at 11:35
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"Back from the dead!"
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I think the line between looking after your skin and wearing lipstick isn't as fine as you think.

I use a moisturising balm after shaving as it helps the pain go away. It doesn't mean that on tuesdays I wear a dress and go by the name susan...
Mon 09/12/02 at 10:51
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The reason I laugh at blokes in make-up is because they look silly.
And a lot of women's cosmetics are designed to attract the male.
It's true, and trust me - I have to read and study this crap for work so unfortunately I know a bit more than any man should about this.

Lipstick - nice red lipstick. Designed to replicate a menstruating woman, lips and nipples are darker in colour and more prominent. Significantly more attractive to the male of the species, much like apes with massive red bumcakes.

Rouge - similar to above, designed to mimic the menstrual cycle as males unconciously respond to this stimuli as the female appears more likely to reproduce. Stimulation and arousal are at their peak and mating stands a successful chance of producing a litter.

Euuurrrghhhh...sicky but true. Woman wear red lipstick to tell you they've got the painters in. It arouses primal urges within your brain and you get all chimpy and start to bang your chest.
Which is why men wearing lipstick are saying "Hello boys, come get some".
Sun 08/12/02 at 23:17
Regular
Posts: 8,220
Of the 4 men in my uni flat this year, two use moisturiser.
Why?
Because, as both the slightly camp one and the guy who doesn't fall too far from the tree of the stereotypical macho bloke say, they like to have soft skin.

Since some guy in high school came in wearing make-up one day (not to drag extremes, just seemed to be trying to look.. nice, i guess was what he was misguidedly going for) i've always responded to this with a blatant inability to understand why.
So now i'm going to give it some thought.
Because if i don't i have to go back to writing my coursework.

What comes to mind as being wrong with entering the feminine world of beauty products (FWBP)?

Well, it seems a bit pretentious on the surface, and it's not really regarded as a man thing to do.

Before the feminists try to claw apart my face i'd like to point out that i'm just going over historical fact and its logical conclusions now:
In the past, women were less able to be financially independent of men. Instead society expected them to marry off and settle down. In the dating and mating game their looks must have been a key offensive weapon, so validating the FWBP. I think i hear feminists howling at the moon tonight, so i won't be touching modern day with a ten foot pole, save to say that it's easy to see how the batton of FWBP has been passed down through the generations.
However, this isn't the only justification for self-grooming. Most people take some degree of pride in their appearance. Rumour has it some men even comb their hair (though few have been known to go near an iron. Or is that just students?)
Anyway, i think we can all accept pride in one's appearance as a norm, present in men and cats that lick themselves (though not dogs, they're really dumb if they think that makes them look nice), as it is in women.

So is there really anything wrong with men furthering their grooming with moisturiser and make-up? I guess you could argue there has to be a boudary, and it should fall short of the threshold of the FWBP, but looking at it in another light, maybe being critical of the men who do enter that once forbidden place is a deeply in-set means of trying to affect the same goal as 'excessive' grooming - that is, character the perception of others.
Raised by the cold unfartherly hand of expectation of what a man should be, attempting to assert superiority over those who defy the grain could be to pursue the 'man' goal as moisturiser seeks the beauty goal.
And in this light the moisturiser men seem to me slightly less psychologically messed up.

I started this post hoping to validate my lack of undertanding for my self-moisturising friends. At the moment i think maybe they're smarter than the rest of us. Maybe.
I've not found dry skin to be a problem yet, and by wearing make-up i would probably defeat the point of trying to look better and expose myself to all kinds of ridicule (purely from people who'd not read this thread you understand), but when the FWBP does call, as it surely will, i might just be willing to answer.

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