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Of the 4 men in my uni flat this year, two use moisturiser.
Why?
Because, as both the slightly camp one and the guy who doesn't fall too far from the tree of the stereotypical macho bloke say, they like to have soft skin.
Since some guy in high school came in wearing make-up one day (not to drag extremes, just seemed to be trying to look.. nice, i guess was what he was misguidedly going for) i've always responded to this with a blatant inability to understand why.
So now i'm going to give it some thought.
Because if i don't i have to go back to writing my coursework.
What comes to mind as being wrong with entering the feminine world of beauty products (FWBP)?
Well, it seems a bit pretentious on the surface, and it's not really regarded as a man thing to do.
Before the feminists try to claw apart my face i'd like to point out that i'm just going over historical fact and its logical conclusions now:
In the past, women were less able to be financially independent of men. Instead society expected them to marry off and settle down. In the dating and mating game their looks must have been a key offensive weapon, so validating the FWBP. I think i hear feminists howling at the moon tonight, so i won't be touching modern day with a ten foot pole, save to say that it's easy to see how the batton of FWBP has been passed down through the generations.
However, this isn't the only justification for self-grooming. Most people take some degree of pride in their appearance. Rumour has it some men even comb their hair (though few have been known to go near an iron. Or is that just students?)
Anyway, i think we can all accept pride in one's appearance as a norm, present in men and cats that lick themselves (though not dogs, they're really dumb if they think that makes them look nice), as it is in women.
So is there really anything wrong with men furthering their grooming with moisturiser and make-up? I guess you could argue there has to be a boudary, and it should fall short of the threshold of the FWBP, but looking at it in another light, maybe being critical of the men who do enter that once forbidden place is a deeply in-set means of trying to affect the same goal as 'excessive' grooming - that is, character the perception of others.
Raised by the cold unfartherly hand of expectation of what a man should be, attempting to assert superiority over those who defy the grain could be to pursue the 'man' goal as moisturiser seeks the beauty goal.
And in this light the moisturiser men seem to me slightly less psychologically messed up.
I started this post hoping to validate my lack of undertanding for my self-moisturising friends. At the moment i think maybe they're smarter than the rest of us. Maybe.
I've not found dry skin to be a problem yet, and by wearing make-up i would probably defeat the point of trying to look better and expose myself to all kinds of ridicule (purely from people who'd not read this thread you understand), but when the FWBP does call, as it surely will, i might just be willing to answer.
Why?
Because, as both the slightly camp one and the guy who doesn't fall too far from the tree of the stereotypical macho bloke say, they like to have soft skin.
Since some guy in high school came in wearing make-up one day (not to drag extremes, just seemed to be trying to look.. nice, i guess was what he was misguidedly going for) i've always responded to this with a blatant inability to understand why.
So now i'm going to give it some thought.
Because if i don't i have to go back to writing my coursework.
What comes to mind as being wrong with entering the feminine world of beauty products (FWBP)?
Well, it seems a bit pretentious on the surface, and it's not really regarded as a man thing to do.
Before the feminists try to claw apart my face i'd like to point out that i'm just going over historical fact and its logical conclusions now:
In the past, women were less able to be financially independent of men. Instead society expected them to marry off and settle down. In the dating and mating game their looks must have been a key offensive weapon, so validating the FWBP. I think i hear feminists howling at the moon tonight, so i won't be touching modern day with a ten foot pole, save to say that it's easy to see how the batton of FWBP has been passed down through the generations.
However, this isn't the only justification for self-grooming. Most people take some degree of pride in their appearance. Rumour has it some men even comb their hair (though few have been known to go near an iron. Or is that just students?)
Anyway, i think we can all accept pride in one's appearance as a norm, present in men and cats that lick themselves (though not dogs, they're really dumb if they think that makes them look nice), as it is in women.
So is there really anything wrong with men furthering their grooming with moisturiser and make-up? I guess you could argue there has to be a boudary, and it should fall short of the threshold of the FWBP, but looking at it in another light, maybe being critical of the men who do enter that once forbidden place is a deeply in-set means of trying to affect the same goal as 'excessive' grooming - that is, character the perception of others.
Raised by the cold unfartherly hand of expectation of what a man should be, attempting to assert superiority over those who defy the grain could be to pursue the 'man' goal as moisturiser seeks the beauty goal.
And in this light the moisturiser men seem to me slightly less psychologically messed up.
I started this post hoping to validate my lack of undertanding for my self-moisturising friends. At the moment i think maybe they're smarter than the rest of us. Maybe.
I've not found dry skin to be a problem yet, and by wearing make-up i would probably defeat the point of trying to look better and expose myself to all kinds of ridicule (purely from people who'd not read this thread you understand), but when the FWBP does call, as it surely will, i might just be willing to answer.
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I use that Nivea stuff after shaving, it reduces the rash a bit.
AbsoluT Neó wrote:
> Man U 2 Arsenal 0 being the other ;-)
Yeah, true. I laughed cos you think it mattered! :-)
> Man U 2 Arsenal 0 being the other ;-)
Yeah, true. I laughed cos you think it mattered! :-)
WòókieeMøn§??® wrote:wrote:
> One of few LOL moments I've had this week! :-)
Man U 2 Arsenal 0 being the other ;-)
> One of few LOL moments I've had this week! :-)
Man U 2 Arsenal 0 being the other ;-)
Dr Duck wrote:
> oh, and it actually say the forum is 'life, the universe and all that
> JAZZ'
One of few LOL moments I've had this week! :-)
> oh, and it actually say the forum is 'life, the universe and all that
> JAZZ'
One of few LOL moments I've had this week! :-)
Mr Snuggly wrote:
> When I want soft skin, I rub Man Milk into my face.
*shudders*
oh, and it actually say the forum is 'life, the universe and all that JAZZ'
:^)
Cradle of filth. Huh. Knew someone who liked them, heard a bit of their stuff. Not sure how important the whole music thing was to them, but they could barely have sounded rougher getting pat butcher to do the vocals...
Hmm, seems from the responses that moisturising may be less common than i suspected...
> When I want soft skin, I rub Man Milk into my face.
*shudders*
oh, and it actually say the forum is 'life, the universe and all that JAZZ'
:^)
Cradle of filth. Huh. Knew someone who liked them, heard a bit of their stuff. Not sure how important the whole music thing was to them, but they could barely have sounded rougher getting pat butcher to do the vocals...
Hmm, seems from the responses that moisturising may be less common than i suspected...
Goatboy wrote:
> Cradle of Fear?
> It's rubbish.
I haven't got round to forking out for it yet. I imagine it could be quite bad. They Rock when seen playing live though. My first date with The Ogre was to a COF concert.
> Cradle of Fear?
> It's rubbish.
I haven't got round to forking out for it yet. I imagine it could be quite bad. They Rock when seen playing live though. My first date with The Ogre was to a COF concert.
Rosalind wrote:
> they showed that film in schools y'know, as an example of modern usage
> of ancient engish. or something
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Cradle of Fear?
It's rubbish.
> they showed that film in schools y'know, as an example of modern usage
> of ancient engish. or something
---
Cradle of Fear?
It's rubbish.
Rosalind wrote:
> he is the most yummylischous man EVER!*
*of course I mean excluding the Ogre (just in case he reads this) :p
> he is the most yummylischous man EVER!*
*of course I mean excluding the Ogre (just in case he reads this) :p
Goatboy wrote:
and could
> only hear the scary singer dude saying "It's just noooot
> faaaaiiiir" whilst eating a pork pie.
Scary singer dude?????
he is the most yummylischous man EVER!
they showed that film in schools y'know, as an example of modern usage of ancient engish. or something
and could
> only hear the scary singer dude saying "It's just noooot
> faaaaiiiir" whilst eating a pork pie.
Scary singer dude?????
he is the most yummylischous man EVER!
they showed that film in schools y'know, as an example of modern usage of ancient engish. or something
Rosalind wrote:
> make-up wearing men are a real turn on. just look at Dani
> Filth.....
>
> yeah i mean it.
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Heh, my ex was in a movie with him (Cradle of Fear) and being her chauffuer for the day meant hours of tedium sitting around on set.
Ended up next to Danni in the living room, with him moaning about Trish and an episode he saw that made Goths look like weirdos.
Then I saw the finished movie and a Cradle of Filth video, and could only hear the scary singer dude saying "It's just noooot faaaaiiiir" whilst eating a pork pie.
> make-up wearing men are a real turn on. just look at Dani
> Filth.....
>
> yeah i mean it.
-----
Heh, my ex was in a movie with him (Cradle of Fear) and being her chauffuer for the day meant hours of tedium sitting around on set.
Ended up next to Danni in the living room, with him moaning about Trish and an episode he saw that made Goths look like weirdos.
Then I saw the finished movie and a Cradle of Filth video, and could only hear the scary singer dude saying "It's just noooot faaaaiiiir" whilst eating a pork pie.
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