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Tue 26/11/02 at 18:45
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Had a lecture yesterday about neural nets. Some of you may know what these are, some may not. For those that don't, here's a quick run-down - based on my understanding.

Nueral nets are a network of neurones. Funny that. A neurone has many inputs, and only one output. Each input is weighted, in that input 1 may have a weighting of 10, and input 2 has a weighting of 1. Therefore, input 1 is much more important than input 2. With me so far? Right.

If you have a neurone with 10 inputs, the threshold level may be, say, 50. This means that when the inputs are multiplied by their respective weightings, if the results is over 50, then the output is active. Otherwise the output is not active.

Here's a slightly simpler example:

A neuron has 3 inputs, with different weightings:

Input 1 has a weighting of 11.
Input 2 has a weighting of 6.
Input 3 has a weighting of 5.

The threshold level is 10. So, if input 1 is active, then the output is active as the threshold level is reached. If input 1 is not active, then the threshold level can still be reached if both input 2 AND input 3 are active.

If you're not with me, go back and read it again. It does make sense. Promise :-)

People are trying to write computer programs that can represent complex neural nets, as these nets can learn - essentially true Artificial Intelligence.

So what happens in the future when (and it WILL happen, just maybe a few hundred years from now) we create proper AI. Will they have legal rights? Would it be right to give them dangerous jobs? Only allow them certain thoughts and feelings?

Were is the line drawn between man and machine?

This is a difficult question, when you consider that the average human brain is comprised of around 100 BILLION neurones. But if neurones merely react to their inputs (like a computer program), then we have no control over them. Therefore we have no control over our actions.

Because of this we are not guilty of anything. Nor can we take credit for anything. We are just machines. Effectively.

Thoughts? (if you can call them that...)
Thu 28/11/02 at 19:54
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So is Aladdin. You just see a blue blob.
Thu 28/11/02 at 16:45
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Oh yeah, Popeye is a good Robin Williams film.
Thu 28/11/02 at 16:45
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OK, well take into account an unborn baby. It hasn't had the chance to learn anything yet, but an abortion after 8 weeks (or something like that) now constitutes manslaughter because it is capable of feeling. So is it alive if it doesn't know any better?
Thu 28/11/02 at 09:43
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VenomByte wrote:
> Christ, that's worse spelling than YH :)


And what is THAT supposed to mean?

:-)
Wed 27/11/02 at 18:15
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VenomByte wrote:
> Wtahc

Christ, that's worse spelling than YH :)
Wed 27/11/02 at 18:15
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Wtahc lawnmower man instead. Similar sort of thing, in a way.
Wed 27/11/02 at 18:07
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Lack of vision people!

How well do you think a film on neural nets would sell? I'm advocating this film (it ain't that bad) on the basis it deals with the moral and social aspects of increased artificial inteliigence.

I could have written loads of stuff about neural nets, if I'd wanted to.

Honest.
Wed 27/11/02 at 16:58
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Asimov would be most unhappy...
Wed 27/11/02 at 14:53
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Bicentennial Man. Seen it.

Long, boring and utterly pointless chick-flick.
Wed 27/11/02 at 14:30
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*laughs*

I like the way he posted a completely serious topic on neural nets, Artificial Intelligence and complex computerised simulations, and you told him to watch Bicentennial Man.

Every time I hear the word Bicentennial, I want to say it the Ned Flanders way.

Bi-centinii-ri-tintini-in-tenntennial.

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