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How far do you think the scientific community should be allowed to go? There are so many issues surrounding the area of fertility treatment and genetic manipulation of human embryos.
Some people think that if a couple is unable to have children 'naturally' then they should accept that. In my opinion, this is very close to saying that if there is something wrong with (for example) your heart, then you should accept this. But of course this isn't the case, people are given medicine, or if the condition is serious enough, surgery.
Why shouldn't they be allowed the same if there is a problem with their reproductive system?
Of course in some cases neither drugs nor surgery will overcome subfertility problems. It is a case of live without children or attempt in vitro fertilisation (IVF). How do you feel about IVF?
In some cases both sets of genes can come from the prospective 'parents'. But in many cases one or other of the parents cannot produce their gametes (sperm or egg), and a donor has to take the place of the 'parent'. Is this any worse than sperm donation of a more usual kind? How do you feel about egg donations? In women are being paid thousands of pounds to donate their eggs, just as long as they are suitable, which includes the way you look, how tall and slim etc. Your medical history, (they don't want any history of familial diseases). . In Britain it is illegal to be paid any more than expenses for this. How do you feel about egg donations?
Some people think that we should be allowed to go as far as genetically manipulating our offspring to produce babies free from genetic defects, and expressing desirable genes, like 'tall' genes or 'blue eye' genes. The technology is even there to produce an exact clone of somebody. Something like a Twin born much later than their sibling. Many people want to allow this in order to 'bring back lost children or loved ones' and for many other reasons.
In a society where scientific taboos are being broken, and the limits of what is acceptable are continually being stretched, do you know where you stand on these issues?
Thank you for reading
Ros
Some people think that if a couple is unable to have children 'naturally' then they should accept that. In my opinion, this is very close to saying that if there is something wrong with (for example) your heart, then you should accept this. But of course this isn't the case, people are given medicine, or if the condition is serious enough, surgery.
Why shouldn't they be allowed the same if there is a problem with their reproductive system?
Of course in some cases neither drugs nor surgery will overcome subfertility problems. It is a case of live without children or attempt in vitro fertilisation (IVF). How do you feel about IVF?
In some cases both sets of genes can come from the prospective 'parents'. But in many cases one or other of the parents cannot produce their gametes (sperm or egg), and a donor has to take the place of the 'parent'. Is this any worse than sperm donation of a more usual kind? How do you feel about egg donations? In women are being paid thousands of pounds to donate their eggs, just as long as they are suitable, which includes the way you look, how tall and slim etc. Your medical history, (they don't want any history of familial diseases). . In Britain it is illegal to be paid any more than expenses for this. How do you feel about egg donations?
Some people think that we should be allowed to go as far as genetically manipulating our offspring to produce babies free from genetic defects, and expressing desirable genes, like 'tall' genes or 'blue eye' genes. The technology is even there to produce an exact clone of somebody. Something like a Twin born much later than their sibling. Many people want to allow this in order to 'bring back lost children or loved ones' and for many other reasons.
In a society where scientific taboos are being broken, and the limits of what is acceptable are continually being stretched, do you know where you stand on these issues?
Thank you for reading
Ros
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Gangsta Hamsta wrote:
> Isn't this instinct?
> Memories are not gentic - instinct is.
Surely its instinct is driven by its genes?
> Isn't this instinct?
> Memories are not gentic - instinct is.
Surely its instinct is driven by its genes?
Genetic memory, also known as natural instinct, is a far cry from having a vivid memroy of a past life, so far as to not even be comparable.
When a spider builds a web, it's not thinking "in a past life, I did this and it seemed to work. It's just doing what it does naturally.
Same goes for humans. When a huge bull runs at you intending to crush you underfoot, you don't think "ah, in a past life, I died in Spain letting this sort of thing trample me, so this time I will run". You KNOW the bull is going to do you damage, and you run for your life.
Whatever next? Common sense will be linked to past lives, rather than actual sense and education.
I can read because I was a writer in 15th century Paris. Yet in my dreams, everyone speaks english because I don't speak a word of French.
Dumb.
When a spider builds a web, it's not thinking "in a past life, I did this and it seemed to work. It's just doing what it does naturally.
Same goes for humans. When a huge bull runs at you intending to crush you underfoot, you don't think "ah, in a past life, I died in Spain letting this sort of thing trample me, so this time I will run". You KNOW the bull is going to do you damage, and you run for your life.
Whatever next? Common sense will be linked to past lives, rather than actual sense and education.
I can read because I was a writer in 15th century Paris. Yet in my dreams, everyone speaks english because I don't speak a word of French.
Dumb.
Nomad Soul wrote:
> Genetic memory exists - in that a spider 'knows' instantly how to
> build a web. It's not that inconceivable that the energy released from
> the physical frame at death could retain memories.
> Where does this energy go?
Isn't this instinct?
Memories are not gentic - instinct is.
Same with birds knowing exactly when + where to fly in migration.
> Genetic memory exists - in that a spider 'knows' instantly how to
> build a web. It's not that inconceivable that the energy released from
> the physical frame at death could retain memories.
> Where does this energy go?
Isn't this instinct?
Memories are not gentic - instinct is.
Same with birds knowing exactly when + where to fly in migration.
Insane Bartender wrote:
> And riddle me this. If the memories are supressed, why? If, by
> some stupendous design, humans can somehow retain memories from the
> lives of other people, why are they kept hidden from us?
Perhaps because we are bombarded by a relentless stream of self-created bull and social conditioning from the day we are born?
Genetic memory exists - in that a spider 'knows' instantly how to build a web. It's not that inconceivable that the energy released from the physical frame at death could retain memories.
Where does this energy go?
If an individual dedicates a large portion of their life to the advancement of inner consciousness, maybe their energy does survive death and relocate?
But it's a big maybe.
Science is coming round to accepting that there are probaly other dimensions existing in and around us, but mystics have been saying such things for thousands of years.
All that I see and know isn't all that is the case. So personally, I'm open-minded on such matters, but I don't 'believe' in anything in particuliar. Fixed belief is foolish.
> And riddle me this. If the memories are supressed, why? If, by
> some stupendous design, humans can somehow retain memories from the
> lives of other people, why are they kept hidden from us?
Perhaps because we are bombarded by a relentless stream of self-created bull and social conditioning from the day we are born?
Genetic memory exists - in that a spider 'knows' instantly how to build a web. It's not that inconceivable that the energy released from the physical frame at death could retain memories.
Where does this energy go?
If an individual dedicates a large portion of their life to the advancement of inner consciousness, maybe their energy does survive death and relocate?
But it's a big maybe.
Science is coming round to accepting that there are probaly other dimensions existing in and around us, but mystics have been saying such things for thousands of years.
All that I see and know isn't all that is the case. So personally, I'm open-minded on such matters, but I don't 'believe' in anything in particuliar. Fixed belief is foolish.
Exactly.
I just want to hear from one of these enlightened individuals that their previous life was really dull.
Or they were a chicken or something
I just want to hear from one of these enlightened individuals that their previous life was really dull.
Or they were a chicken or something
How come when they remember their previous life, they don't suddenly remember remembering about another previous life?
"I remember that when I was an Egyptian mummyfier, I distinctly remembered that I used to be a Neanderthal".
In truth people will believe anything that makes our return to void, seem more palatable.
"I remember that when I was an Egyptian mummyfier, I distinctly remembered that I used to be a Neanderthal".
In truth people will believe anything that makes our return to void, seem more palatable.
I wonder if you could get any supressed memories out of someone who has never seen a film/read a newspaper etc.
Impossibly hypothetical situation of course, because everyone has been influenced in some way or another by the media.
Also, I bet the people who have been tested have (or at least 99% of them) gone in there with the idea that they are looking for their past life. Get someone into the room who has no-idea whats going on and the results may be a little different.
Impossibly hypothetical situation of course, because everyone has been influenced in some way or another by the media.
Also, I bet the people who have been tested have (or at least 99% of them) gone in there with the idea that they are looking for their past life. Get someone into the room who has no-idea whats going on and the results may be a little different.
Previous lives...*snorts*
"I was a 17th Century nobleman"
Really? Why was nobody a binman from Norwich in 1904? It's always kings and warriors. Never postmen or Tesco Employees is it?
I'd love to see one of these mumu-wearing, soy-bean-munching goombahs on Trish
"Ooo Trish, I led a past life!"
Audience barks
"Yes it's true, but it was crap."
Audience barks and dances
"I was an accountant for a local surveyor in Guildford, I was married with a wife and 2 kids and it was really, really boring."
Previous lives = Dull insistance on ruining mine by telling all about how many servants you used to have.
Some people need a bloody good slap and sent to stand in the corner for being.So.Mental.
"I was a 17th Century nobleman"
Really? Why was nobody a binman from Norwich in 1904? It's always kings and warriors. Never postmen or Tesco Employees is it?
I'd love to see one of these mumu-wearing, soy-bean-munching goombahs on Trish
"Ooo Trish, I led a past life!"
Audience barks
"Yes it's true, but it was crap."
Audience barks and dances
"I was an accountant for a local surveyor in Guildford, I was married with a wife and 2 kids and it was really, really boring."
Previous lives = Dull insistance on ruining mine by telling all about how many servants you used to have.
Some people need a bloody good slap and sent to stand in the corner for being.So.Mental.
Belldandy, do you actually believe in re-incarnation or are you just arguing it as a possibility?
And do you believe in God, I have lost track of who believes what on here?
The only reason I ask is because if we suddenly become reborn as another human being, it seems to me that it must be impossible unless a God makes it so. Otherwise, I don't see how one person could die and become someone else. Especially if they do have memories who can be brought back through hypnotism.
I believe in God but I think I'm with IB on this one. It seems a little illogical to me. Hypnotism does things that humans don't fully understand - I don't think bringing back supressed memories of previous lives is one of them.
And do you believe in God, I have lost track of who believes what on here?
The only reason I ask is because if we suddenly become reborn as another human being, it seems to me that it must be impossible unless a God makes it so. Otherwise, I don't see how one person could die and become someone else. Especially if they do have memories who can be brought back through hypnotism.
I believe in God but I think I'm with IB on this one. It seems a little illogical to me. Hypnotism does things that humans don't fully understand - I don't think bringing back supressed memories of previous lives is one of them.
Belldandy wrote:
> Not if, as many have suggested, previous lives are supressed in memory
> which explains why only deep hypnosis can recall them.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. You sound more like a loon with every passing moment. "I was once a peasant in 5th century china, and died at the age of 7 of cholera". Yet to hear of anyone having that life before. And riddle me this. If the memories are supressed, why? If, by some stupendous design, humans can somehow retain memories from the lives of other people, why are they kept hidden from us? It's all a load of crap. You can't "remember" something you haven't experienced yourself, you can only dream it. Something else hypnotism can do is alter your dreams.
> And that is the great question, if past lives can be proven. Why ?
> Don't you find it a bit intriguing ?
No, I find it dumb. I have never lived any life before this one, I will not live another after it either. the people who have lived and died before me are dead. Gone. Dust. All that remains of them is the history that they have left behind, and the memories of those who knew them who are still alive.
> Not if, as many have suggested, previous lives are supressed in memory
> which explains why only deep hypnosis can recall them.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. You sound more like a loon with every passing moment. "I was once a peasant in 5th century china, and died at the age of 7 of cholera". Yet to hear of anyone having that life before. And riddle me this. If the memories are supressed, why? If, by some stupendous design, humans can somehow retain memories from the lives of other people, why are they kept hidden from us? It's all a load of crap. You can't "remember" something you haven't experienced yourself, you can only dream it. Something else hypnotism can do is alter your dreams.
> And that is the great question, if past lives can be proven. Why ?
> Don't you find it a bit intriguing ?
No, I find it dumb. I have never lived any life before this one, I will not live another after it either. the people who have lived and died before me are dead. Gone. Dust. All that remains of them is the history that they have left behind, and the memories of those who knew them who are still alive.
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