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"Damn! - the Scousers are out :-("

What a shame?

Ho Ho

:D

HA HA HA

Yes the only good team on Merseyside is Everton all the way!!!1

Ha, Ha to Liverpool

The Red Scousers will not win anything this year. Maybe the worthless cup but who cares about that?

Hmmm. I think cups require more immediate consistency. In a league, you can afford to drop a few points here and there, eventually, everything evens out. But you can't underperform too often, or you miss your chances.

Cups require win after win after win. Mistakes knock you out, unless you play for Newcastle, in which case Juventus will try their best to get you through to the next round.

Alternatively, one could suggest that in order to actually win all the way through a knock out competition actually requires very consistent luck.
Or skill.

VenomByte wrote:
> Winning the premiership does not prove a teams quality in anything
> like the same way as an excellent European run would.

But then again, a domestic league win proves greater consistency. Any competition with a knock-out stage only requires one bit of bad - or good - luck.

You can win or perform well in a domestic league many times, but still flounder in Europe. United did that in the early nineties, Italian teams did it last year (rather better this season though - so far). The domestic league does not test a team in quite the same way.

Barcelona currently lie eighth in the Primera Liga, yet racked up maximum points in the first phase of the Champions League. They had a favourable draw perhaps, but even so it's no easy achievement. Real Sociedad may be eight points ahead of them domestically, but who would you fear playing most?

To an extent it's true that in your home country there is a certain 'style' of football being played. Master that, and you can win your league. To conquer Europe though, you need to be able to outdo every style of play you come up against. That's a real test. Often you simply won't win if you play in the same way as you do in your own league.

The fact that Liverpool are out of the Champions League to me suggests their team fundamentally lacks something which teams like United and Arsenal have.

Winning the premiership does not prove a teams quality in anything like the same way as an excellent European run would.

I think what Venom means is that it is in europe that a team really proves it's worth.

Obviously the Premiership has great value, especially given that the majority of the season is built around playing in it.

good riddance to bad red scouse.

VenomByte wrote:
> The Premiership is the mickey mouse league. Europe is where it's at...

What, so now ManYoo aren't doing so well in the Prem, it's worth nothing? I bet that changes next time you win it. After all, without the Prem, there is no Europe...

Is it this season that Champ's only get into the CL?