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"200,000 babies die each year in the UK"

[S]Well the closest figure I found is from 2004 which was 185,400 but its been going up every year before then.[/S]

Babies/fetuses same thing, you say potato I say potato (umm that didnt work).

Let me just say I do think abortion should be legal, but I'm having a tough time finding an excuse as to why so many abortions are done each year. I won't go into detail about how many times I've had sexual relations (it's probably a 5 figure number ;P) but I've managed to avoid getting any of my girlfriends pregnant. Why are the rest of you (not you lot) having such a hard time pulling out?

I can udnerstand the 14 year old girl who obviously isn't in a position to have a child, but a career woman who just doesnt have the time to have a baby? Or the women who have already had two, three, four or even five abortions (one of my exes mum had 5). Seriously, try using contraception for a change.

I think there needs to be more education, both in and out of school and no I don't think primary school kids need to know, I certainly didnt start thinking about sex until high school.

pb wrote:
> tnc wrote:

> ruin their chances to get a degree and a good job in life,

> While being a self-confessed Catholic myself, I mostly agree
> with this. However, the one thing I have an issue with is the
> way you suggest that a young girl would get rid of a foetus
> because the baby might ruin chances of them getting a good job.

My bad, I meant a good chance in life, through not being weighed down by commitments to a premature long term relationship or trying to raise a baby alone. The job bit was just in my head and I wrote that instead

Nin wrote:
> Better than the crisp packet method (i'm not joking)

Depends on what flavour it was (salt and vinegar stings a bit). The sock is best, less rigid and it provides some much needed girth.

tnc wrote:
>
> In a more humanistic approach, those that 'have' to seek IVF
> treatments because they cannot have a baby themselves trying for
> years to make one while some people just get rid of something
> they created because it's an inconvenience seems unfair. People
> should be held accountable for their actions, and nowhere is this
> more true than having a baby. However, rather than just
> situations of rape etc I'd say young girls having babies could
> ruin their chances to get a degree and a good job in life, so
> they should at least have the option of abortion. The argument
> that they should have the baby and put it up for adoption seems
> flawed in that there would be a huge imbalance on the amount of
> babies people wanted to put up for adoption and those looking to
> adopt
>

While being a self-confessed Catholic myself, I mostly agree with this. However, the one thing I have an issue with is the way you suggest that a young girl would get rid of a foetus because the baby might ruin chances of them getting a good job. Biologically, even from a humanistic point of view, we're on this earth to have kids and raise them, everything else comes as a way to do this. We work as a necessity to live and once you have children then you work to finance them.

However, there is an alternative arguement which is similar; if the girl can't find a way to look after the baby, including financing it, then this can be an issue in itself. Of course, this is something I think should be sorted out at Government level as there are plenty of good mothers who want to be at home looking after their kids but can't because there is just no financial support for them. Then the Government wonder why a bunch of kids who hardly see their parents and are raised by a stranger turn out bad...


> I'm not theistic in any way. I'm a fairly strong Atheist, so
> religious concerns of sanctity of life don't feature in my
> argument or beliefs even slightly. It's more a matter of
> responsibility and also morality not stemming from God. You don't
> need to be religious to see murder is "wrong" and in
> the same way it is hard to determine when a collection of cells
> becomes a child and thus a human being murdered
>
Indeed, but then the big question is: when does science say that a foetus becomes 'alive' or sentient.

> Obviously
> if people have abortions several times they should be using
> contraception, but I can't say I'd like to see them denied the
> abortion procedure, as it goes against the right to choice
> principal, and an unwanted baby is worse off than one down the
> line. Though having the baby and putting it up for abortion would
> persuade them to use contraception..

It's all about trying to stop it at the source, as in my first post. Cut down the number of unplanned pregancies somehow and you cut the number of abortions naturally.

>
> Apparently medical terms don't make it through the
> filter?

Grix Thraves wrote:
> Machie wrote:
> Why are the rest of you (not you lot) having such a hard
> time pulling out?

It's much like America in Iraq. Once you're in, you cant leave until the job is done or things are too f**ked to continue.

> From what I remember I don't think this is such a great
> contraceptive method

Better than the crisp packet method (i'm not joking)

> Unless you mean pulling out in a different way, which well, is
> an excellent contraceptive measure

I laff

Nin wrote:
> You cant have an abreviated c**k then?
>
> I'm rude

You can't even say D*** Van D*** star of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. :/

Machie wrote:
Why are the rest of you (not you lot) having such a hard time pulling out?

From what I remember I don't think this is such a great contraceptive method

Unless you mean pulling out in a different way, which well, is an excellent contraceptive measure

You cant have an abreviated c**k then?

I'm rude

Cockerel can, so the animals get through.. :P

But I assumed it only banned offensive/slang terms

I wonder if animals can get through the filter.

C**k and Rooster

* Posts *

Tsk, these people!

I wonder if Cockerel will get through. Bah you guys are no fun at all.

tnc wrote:
> Apparently medical terms don't make it through the
> filter?

Science is a deadly sin, didn't you know that?