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"When Will They Learn!?"

By now you all know how the story goes when Nintendo arises as the main talking-point amongst a crowd of people owning anything BUT a GameCube...
"GameCube sucks!" "PS2 rules!" "X-Box is the best because of its power!"
That's about the basic jist of it. And it also applies with the games too - even the new ones right after they've just been releaed.

Except for ones that they have seen before on their own consoles though - like Resident Evil for example. But these games will apparently still be nowhere near as good as they were originally several years ago.

If you're sharper than the average Knife than you may be thinking i'm about to say something regarding the recently-released Super Mario SunShine and 'other people's opinions on this all-new Mario game featuring a few ideas from the SNES-era and an a Water Cannon for Mario to play-around with thanks to Proffeseur E.Gadd - once again.
Well then, it seems congratulations are indeed heading in your direction!
But it seems all X-Box and PS2 owners are staying well-clear from Mario's 'Fun in the Sun'...

I recieved this game on-time, on it's day of European Release (04/10/02), and to be honest... I couldn't have been happier with what I experienced in this game throughout the rest of the afternoon. From what i've seen, heard and played for myself, this game is simply Super Mario 64 with beefed-up graphics, including a number of the best elements of Super Mario World, along with that obvious simplicity we have come to both love and know so-well throughout the porky Italian's long-reign at the top.

He may have starred in many-of the greatest Platform-Adventure games since time first began and all, but for one (stupid) reason or another, not everyone seems to respect him like we did 10-15 years ago.
Once again, it's the 'anti-Nintys' who are on our backs to try and shatter the moments we enjoy with this great game that is undoubtabley destroys all its competitors in the current Games Market as it stands today. Yet again we have another GameCube game from Nintendo (the masters) themselves designed entirely for the likes of 3-5 year olds who can barely even read or write themselves - let-alone play and thoroughly understand a Computer or Video Game! And it's all because of its appearence, and the fact that it is Nintendo, and that they are not.

GameCube and Super Mario fans alike, aswell as myself, have been eagerly awaitng the arrival of this Adventure - just one of the most-anticipated games to arrive on Nintendo's Cube within the next 12-18 months alone.
But if people are knocking this one off - the first in a long-line of 'GameCube Must-Haves', then how can we be so sure that they'll appreciate the likes of Zelda and all the others that arrive if they've already shown no real respect for the one-and-only 'Super Mario'??
Surely they're just going to critisize the new Legend of Zelda game when that arrives - and its 'cartoony' cel-shaded image will only fuel their argument further.
But we all know that after the likes of Ocarina of Time and A Link to the Past, The Legend of Zelda is, has, and always will be one of the greatest - if not THE greatest RPG-Adventure series' of all-time!

We know Nintendo, and we know why Nintendo games are 'special' to say the least.
But people like... 'them' who won't even look at a Nintendo game for more than 30 seconds anymore are only hurting themselves as they miss-out on all that is the 'Nintendo Experience' - something that will NEVER see the day-of-light on a rival console! Not even if Mr.Miyamoto's life depended on it!!

I am well and truly fed-up with all those critics who today knock-off Nintendo and their products just because they feel that 'bigger' IS 'better'.
Well let me tell you something... you don't get much bigger than Nintendo when it comes to knowing the ropes of the Games World. This isn't just any-old company we're talking about here, it's Nintendo. A company that has been around for well-over a Century, unlike the others who haven't really been here 5 minutes where you really think about it!

I don't really care if you think the PS2 is no.1, or if the GameCube is a load of old cack that deserves to but shoved in a bottle as cast-away to sea...
Just don't take the big games for granted, your doing yourselves no-favours by missing out on games from the brightest-brains in the Gaming World today.

Didn't you all own Super Nintendo's and GameBoy's 10 years-ago anyway?
Those were the days...

What's so different now??
And they call Nintendo kiddy... GROW-UP!

Anyone know any official figures? The latest ones released were after it's first week in Japan:

Japan - 650,000
America - 350,000
TOTAL - 1,000,000.

I think it's done a million already in Japan.

Trust me Sunshine has outsold Halo, it's already sold 175,000 in Europe on its 1st weekend and that's Europe. Mario is much more popular in Japan and America.

Savatt78 wrote:
> But thats not an overall figure is it. Plus Halo sold more as word
> spread about the game whereas Mario has tons of hype as soon as its
> announced.

Call me crazy, but isn't that a good thing? Chances are, word will spread BETTER about Sunshine due to all the hype.

> Think people should be waiting for official figures before they jump
> in boasting.

Hey, I speak from fact. I've made nothing up.

I think this popular Nintendo is kiddy vibe is to get parents to think, ahh it's kiddy so terefore will apeal to my son/daughter rather than those nasty PS2 and X Box likes.

Then of course that child experiences Nintendo, get's hooked and never looks at a consoles that isn't Nintendo again.

Not bad.

Then there's us, gamers who can read so know what were buying and know this isn't kiddy gaming, just classic gaming.

I should be like a pshycic person of tactics or something :)

I'm not saying it won't. But at the same time, theres no guarantee it will. It depends how many people who want the game managed to get it on release day. None of the shops near me have had any problems with the game selling out. No doubt its selling well though.

Savatt78 wrote:
Plus Halo sold more as word
> spread about the game whereas Mario has tons of hype as soon as its
> announced.

So Mario isn't going to sell more as time progresses? With the release of Mario Sunshine Gamecube sales increased by 50%, there are plenty of people who are still waiting. I know loads of people who are getting it, but are either waiting because they don't have the money, or because the shops have simply sold out.

When a game sets a new world record for release sales I think it's a pretty good indication it will be one of the biggist selling games ever.

Savatt78 wrote:
> But thats not an overall figure is it. Plus Halo sold more as word
> spread about the game whereas Mario has tons of hype as soon as its
> announced.

Halo's not exactly been short on hype...
It was the main game that MS marketed to sell the Xbox.
The difference is, MS had to create ALL of Halo's hype, while Nintendo just had to announce Mario and people would get hyped up (very understandably) having played past games in the series.



Back to the main point:
Yes, "Nintendo for kids" is pretty pathetic, but most of us aren't much better when it comes to other consoles.

Anyway, it is purely "it's not on my console so it's not worth having" bias. PS2 owners were all shouting about how cutesy platformers were for kids, and then raved on about Jak and Daxter, the tune changing to that they had a Mario beater.

One example of something that happens across ALL the formats.

I know that all gamers are basically the same and that we all knock-off all those other consoles in fierce competition with the ones we love most, but that's not neccesarily the point here.

There are many people out-there that will have a go about another companys console, but he or she may also admit that there is at-least one exclusive games on the way that does grab their attention.
And there's nothing wrong with that.

But it's when the big-games come-along and people show no respect for them that really gets to me - and it's happening with Mario SunShine already.
What concerns me is that these people will never learn that these games are popular for certain reasons, and that by ignoring them for something else they think it cool they are really doing themelves no favours.

Mario may be more popular than Halo, but his respect is dying thanks to some immateur idiots who don't even have a clue as to what the game is really all-about.

But thats not an overall figure is it. Plus Halo sold more as word spread about the game whereas Mario has tons of hype as soon as its announced.
Think people should be waiting for official figures before they jump in boasting.