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Hanging has been the principal form of execution in Britain since the 5th Century, although other methods such as drowning, burial alive, hurling from cliffs, beheading, boiling alive and shooting have been used at various times. Here are a few facts about the death penalty:-
1) 5th Century. Hanging first introduced as a method of execution in Anglo-Saxon Britain.
2) 1196. William Fitz Osbert became the first to hang at Tyburn (for sedition).
3) Circa 1500. Eight capital crimes defined : Treason, petty treason, murder, robbery, larceny, rape and arson.
4) 1787. Transportation replaced hanging, in practice, for many felonies. In the decade 1784 - 1793 there were 434 hangings ordered by the London and Middlesex court (which became the Old Bailey). In the next ten years this dropped to 165 and to 119 in the decade from 1804 - 1813. Prisoners convicted of a first time felony (other than murder, coining forgery and arson) frequently had their death sentences commuted to transportation and this practice carried on until around 1857 by which time very few people were being hanged for crimes other than murder. The minimum time of transportation was 7 years and could be up to the rest of the prisoner's life. Only about 5% of those sentenced to transportation actually ever returned to Britain. Transportation was formally abolished in 1868.
5) 18th March 1789. The last burning at the stake took place at Newgate when Catherine (or Christian) Murphy was executed for High Treason (coining).
6) 1814 Last hanging under the "Black Act" - William Potter for the crime of cutting down an orchard. Even the judge petitioned for a reprieve!
7) 1861. Criminal Law Consolidation Act reduced the number of capital crimes to four : murder, treason (including arson in Royal Naval dockyards), mutiny and piracy.
8) 26th May 1868. Last fully public hanging in England. Michael Barrett at Newgate for the Fenian bombing at Clerkenwell which killed seven people.
9) 1902. Holloway converted to become London's female prison.
10) 1908. The execution of persons under 16 outlawed by the Children's Act of that year.
11) 1931. Sentence of Death (Expectant Mothers) Act 1931. Pregnant women were no longer to be hanged after giving birth. (Mary Ann Cotton became the last to suffer at Durham Castle on 24th March 1873, her baby being taken from her before execution)
12) 27th January 1999. The Home Secretary (Jack Straw) formally signed the 6th protocol of the European Convention of Human Rights in Strasbourg, on behalf of the British government formally abolishing the death penalty in the UK. It had been still theoretically available for treason and piracy up to then but it was extremely unlikely that even if anyone had been convicted of these crimes over the preceeding 30 years that they would have actually been executed. Successive Home Secretaries had always reprieved persons sentenced to death in the Channel Islands and Isle of Man where the death sentence for murder could still be passed and the Royal Prerogative was observed.
In Britain, between abolition in 1964 and 1999, the murder rate more than doubled (to around 750 per annum) and there have been 71 murders committed by people who have been released after serving "life sentences" in the same period, according to Home Office statistics. Statistics were kept for the 5 years that capital punishment was suspended in Britain (1965 - 1969) and these showed a 125% rise in murders that would have attracted a death sentence. Whilst statistically all this is true it does not tell one how society has changed over the those 34 years. It may well be that the murder rate would be the same today if we had retained and continued to use the death penalty. It impossible to say that only this one factor affects the murder rate. Easier divorce has greatly reduced the number of domestic murders, unavailability of poisons has seen poisoning become almost extinct, whilst tight gun control has reduced the number of shootings. However stabbings have increased dramatically as have the kicking and beating to death of people who have "looked at me funny" or "been eyeing up my girlfriend" i.e. vicious and virtually motiveless killings. As in America greatly improved medical techniques have saved many victims who would have previously died from their injuries (e.g. Josie Russell).
But will Britain restore capital punishment in the future? In the short term (say the next 10 years) the answer is definitely not. Successive free votes on the issue in the Commons have failed to get anywhere near a majority for restoration. There is no doubt that capital punishment is a very emotive issue and there is a strong anti death penalty lobby in this country who would put every obstacle in the way of it's return should it ever become likely.
Re-introduction of something that has been abolished is always much more difficult than introducing something entirely new.
Politically it would also be very difficult given our membership of the EU and our commitment to European Convention on Human Rights, both of which are strongly against capital punishment. The EU contains no member states that practice it and will not allow retentionist states to join. The present Labour government is implacably opposed to capital punishment and has removed it from the statute book for the few remaining offences for which it was still theoretically allowed.
There is also considerable concern at the number of convictions that are being declared unsafe by the Courts, particularly for the most serious offences such as murder and terrorism. Support for the death penalty in Britain seems to be slowly diminishing particularly amongst young people.
Yet we live in a time of ever rising serious crime. Will people become so fed up with escalating levels of crime and what they see in, most cases, as derisory punishments that they will support anything that appears likely to reduce crime and redress the balance? Or do they see the return of capital punishment as a return to barbarity?
I feel that capital punishment should be restored as it will stop people from commiting a lot of crimes. As I said earlier, most crimes have risen since the death penalty was abolished…. People will think… if I kill this person then I will die myself, and they don’t want that, so they won’t do it in the first place.
How do you feel on the subject??? Are you for or against Capital Punishment?
1) 5th Century. Hanging first introduced as a method of execution in Anglo-Saxon Britain.
2) 1196. William Fitz Osbert became the first to hang at Tyburn (for sedition).
3) Circa 1500. Eight capital crimes defined : Treason, petty treason, murder, robbery, larceny, rape and arson.
4) 1787. Transportation replaced hanging, in practice, for many felonies. In the decade 1784 - 1793 there were 434 hangings ordered by the London and Middlesex court (which became the Old Bailey). In the next ten years this dropped to 165 and to 119 in the decade from 1804 - 1813. Prisoners convicted of a first time felony (other than murder, coining forgery and arson) frequently had their death sentences commuted to transportation and this practice carried on until around 1857 by which time very few people were being hanged for crimes other than murder. The minimum time of transportation was 7 years and could be up to the rest of the prisoner's life. Only about 5% of those sentenced to transportation actually ever returned to Britain. Transportation was formally abolished in 1868.
5) 18th March 1789. The last burning at the stake took place at Newgate when Catherine (or Christian) Murphy was executed for High Treason (coining).
6) 1814 Last hanging under the "Black Act" - William Potter for the crime of cutting down an orchard. Even the judge petitioned for a reprieve!
7) 1861. Criminal Law Consolidation Act reduced the number of capital crimes to four : murder, treason (including arson in Royal Naval dockyards), mutiny and piracy.
8) 26th May 1868. Last fully public hanging in England. Michael Barrett at Newgate for the Fenian bombing at Clerkenwell which killed seven people.
9) 1902. Holloway converted to become London's female prison.
10) 1908. The execution of persons under 16 outlawed by the Children's Act of that year.
11) 1931. Sentence of Death (Expectant Mothers) Act 1931. Pregnant women were no longer to be hanged after giving birth. (Mary Ann Cotton became the last to suffer at Durham Castle on 24th March 1873, her baby being taken from her before execution)
12) 27th January 1999. The Home Secretary (Jack Straw) formally signed the 6th protocol of the European Convention of Human Rights in Strasbourg, on behalf of the British government formally abolishing the death penalty in the UK. It had been still theoretically available for treason and piracy up to then but it was extremely unlikely that even if anyone had been convicted of these crimes over the preceeding 30 years that they would have actually been executed. Successive Home Secretaries had always reprieved persons sentenced to death in the Channel Islands and Isle of Man where the death sentence for murder could still be passed and the Royal Prerogative was observed.
In Britain, between abolition in 1964 and 1999, the murder rate more than doubled (to around 750 per annum) and there have been 71 murders committed by people who have been released after serving "life sentences" in the same period, according to Home Office statistics. Statistics were kept for the 5 years that capital punishment was suspended in Britain (1965 - 1969) and these showed a 125% rise in murders that would have attracted a death sentence. Whilst statistically all this is true it does not tell one how society has changed over the those 34 years. It may well be that the murder rate would be the same today if we had retained and continued to use the death penalty. It impossible to say that only this one factor affects the murder rate. Easier divorce has greatly reduced the number of domestic murders, unavailability of poisons has seen poisoning become almost extinct, whilst tight gun control has reduced the number of shootings. However stabbings have increased dramatically as have the kicking and beating to death of people who have "looked at me funny" or "been eyeing up my girlfriend" i.e. vicious and virtually motiveless killings. As in America greatly improved medical techniques have saved many victims who would have previously died from their injuries (e.g. Josie Russell).
But will Britain restore capital punishment in the future? In the short term (say the next 10 years) the answer is definitely not. Successive free votes on the issue in the Commons have failed to get anywhere near a majority for restoration. There is no doubt that capital punishment is a very emotive issue and there is a strong anti death penalty lobby in this country who would put every obstacle in the way of it's return should it ever become likely.
Re-introduction of something that has been abolished is always much more difficult than introducing something entirely new.
Politically it would also be very difficult given our membership of the EU and our commitment to European Convention on Human Rights, both of which are strongly against capital punishment. The EU contains no member states that practice it and will not allow retentionist states to join. The present Labour government is implacably opposed to capital punishment and has removed it from the statute book for the few remaining offences for which it was still theoretically allowed.
There is also considerable concern at the number of convictions that are being declared unsafe by the Courts, particularly for the most serious offences such as murder and terrorism. Support for the death penalty in Britain seems to be slowly diminishing particularly amongst young people.
Yet we live in a time of ever rising serious crime. Will people become so fed up with escalating levels of crime and what they see in, most cases, as derisory punishments that they will support anything that appears likely to reduce crime and redress the balance? Or do they see the return of capital punishment as a return to barbarity?
I feel that capital punishment should be restored as it will stop people from commiting a lot of crimes. As I said earlier, most crimes have risen since the death penalty was abolished…. People will think… if I kill this person then I will die myself, and they don’t want that, so they won’t do it in the first place.
How do you feel on the subject??? Are you for or against Capital Punishment?
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BlondeBombShell wrote:
> Yes i agree with both your statement.... espesially if a man/woman had
> raped someone, they should be castrated, and with murder i think that
> if there is 100% proof tht the person did it eg camera, witness... la
> la la then i still think they should be killed too.
Hmm two things;
1) If a women rapes another woman or a man then how do you think they should be punished ? Castration would be a bit of an impossibility.....
2) Why should a person be killed ? Most religion's, including christianity, islam, buddhism e.t.c all make the point that "an eye for an eye" isn't right. Even if you're an atheist then human rights alone must say something. Does it make people feel better ? Heck, if it makes someone feel better lets kill some more eh ?
~~Belldandy~~
> Yes i agree with both your statement.... espesially if a man/woman had
> raped someone, they should be castrated, and with murder i think that
> if there is 100% proof tht the person did it eg camera, witness... la
> la la then i still think they should be killed too.
Hmm two things;
1) If a women rapes another woman or a man then how do you think they should be punished ? Castration would be a bit of an impossibility.....
2) Why should a person be killed ? Most religion's, including christianity, islam, buddhism e.t.c all make the point that "an eye for an eye" isn't right. Even if you're an atheist then human rights alone must say something. Does it make people feel better ? Heck, if it makes someone feel better lets kill some more eh ?
~~Belldandy~~
yet he could still attack women. The way to deal with this is not bring back capital punishment as that has been proven to be no deterrant but to make sure our jails are actually punishment and that life means life. If not do what the americans do and give sentances of like 500 years. People may laugh at that but even if the prisoner gets to appeal halfway through his sentance it won't be any good seeing as he'll be dead. (Unless he lives for 250 more years.) We need to get rid of all the tv's, computer games, books etc etc that are in our prisons today. Give prisoners the bare essentials of life like food, water, clothes and a bit of bed linen and i'm sure as soon as people see that prison isn't, in some cases better than some conditions that people live in in the outside world then i presume we'd see a big drop in the prison numbers
Exactly.
A man with no manhood can't commit rape.
So the mutilation should be a reflection of the crime.. burglars could have thumbs or fingers cut off, and so forth.
A man with no manhood can't commit rape.
So the mutilation should be a reflection of the crime.. burglars could have thumbs or fingers cut off, and so forth.
Yes i agree with both your statement.... espesially if a man/woman had raped someone, they should be castrated, and with murder i think that if there is 100% proof tht the person did it eg camera, witness... la la la then i still think they should be killed too.
I've always been against
*blocks ears so people can't say he's wrong*
*blocks ears so people can't say he's wrong*
The death penalty should never be used, or reintroduced, for crimes such as murder, rape e.t.c For these, no matter what, the state does not have much of a right to take away a life, and evidence in America shows that it serves as no deterant - basically if you're going to abduct someone and kill them then you don't think you'll get caught.
However, for crimes against the state, conspiracy, war crimes, crimes against humanity, treason, the death penalty is wholly appropriate as the perpetrator poses a risk to the nation itself and the fact such crimes are committed by intelligent people (mainly) means that it could be a deterrant ? In line with this, it should be possible where appropriate, for those on trial to be convicted whilst absent. Look at the whole Milosovic thing - a modern day little Hitler and now he's lying in a hotel-prison stringing along the trial for ages. The thousdands of dead recovered in the conflict and thousands of testimonies prove beyond doubt he's guilty, so he could have been tried in absence, then a UN Special Forces team sent to extract him, or kill him.
There you go, my two different views.
~~Belldandy~~
However, for crimes against the state, conspiracy, war crimes, crimes against humanity, treason, the death penalty is wholly appropriate as the perpetrator poses a risk to the nation itself and the fact such crimes are committed by intelligent people (mainly) means that it could be a deterrant ? In line with this, it should be possible where appropriate, for those on trial to be convicted whilst absent. Look at the whole Milosovic thing - a modern day little Hitler and now he's lying in a hotel-prison stringing along the trial for ages. The thousdands of dead recovered in the conflict and thousands of testimonies prove beyond doubt he's guilty, so he could have been tried in absence, then a UN Special Forces team sent to extract him, or kill him.
There you go, my two different views.
~~Belldandy~~
Against.
I used to be for, but since then I've wondered if you could ever really justify ending someone's life - particulalry if you don't believe in an afterlife. It's so final - and what if an innocent man were put to death?
I would instead suggest harsher punishments. A life imprisonment sentence these days can be as little as seven years... that's just not right. The concept of prison should be altered too. It should not just be restriction of freedom, but serious hardship too.
For very serious crimes, perhaps mutilations could occur. For male offenders, can you imagine the reduction in crime which would be caused by the introduction of a 'genital guillotine' for certain offences?
Not sure what you'd do for repeat offenders though...
I used to be for, but since then I've wondered if you could ever really justify ending someone's life - particulalry if you don't believe in an afterlife. It's so final - and what if an innocent man were put to death?
I would instead suggest harsher punishments. A life imprisonment sentence these days can be as little as seven years... that's just not right. The concept of prison should be altered too. It should not just be restriction of freedom, but serious hardship too.
For very serious crimes, perhaps mutilations could occur. For male offenders, can you imagine the reduction in crime which would be caused by the introduction of a 'genital guillotine' for certain offences?
Not sure what you'd do for repeat offenders though...
Hanging has been the principal form of execution in Britain since the 5th Century, although other methods such as drowning, burial alive, hurling from cliffs, beheading, boiling alive and shooting have been used at various times. Here are a few facts about the death penalty:-
1) 5th Century. Hanging first introduced as a method of execution in Anglo-Saxon Britain.
2) 1196. William Fitz Osbert became the first to hang at Tyburn (for sedition).
3) Circa 1500. Eight capital crimes defined : Treason, petty treason, murder, robbery, larceny, rape and arson.
4) 1787. Transportation replaced hanging, in practice, for many felonies. In the decade 1784 - 1793 there were 434 hangings ordered by the London and Middlesex court (which became the Old Bailey). In the next ten years this dropped to 165 and to 119 in the decade from 1804 - 1813. Prisoners convicted of a first time felony (other than murder, coining forgery and arson) frequently had their death sentences commuted to transportation and this practice carried on until around 1857 by which time very few people were being hanged for crimes other than murder. The minimum time of transportation was 7 years and could be up to the rest of the prisoner's life. Only about 5% of those sentenced to transportation actually ever returned to Britain. Transportation was formally abolished in 1868.
5) 18th March 1789. The last burning at the stake took place at Newgate when Catherine (or Christian) Murphy was executed for High Treason (coining).
6) 1814 Last hanging under the "Black Act" - William Potter for the crime of cutting down an orchard. Even the judge petitioned for a reprieve!
7) 1861. Criminal Law Consolidation Act reduced the number of capital crimes to four : murder, treason (including arson in Royal Naval dockyards), mutiny and piracy.
8) 26th May 1868. Last fully public hanging in England. Michael Barrett at Newgate for the Fenian bombing at Clerkenwell which killed seven people.
9) 1902. Holloway converted to become London's female prison.
10) 1908. The execution of persons under 16 outlawed by the Children's Act of that year.
11) 1931. Sentence of Death (Expectant Mothers) Act 1931. Pregnant women were no longer to be hanged after giving birth. (Mary Ann Cotton became the last to suffer at Durham Castle on 24th March 1873, her baby being taken from her before execution)
12) 27th January 1999. The Home Secretary (Jack Straw) formally signed the 6th protocol of the European Convention of Human Rights in Strasbourg, on behalf of the British government formally abolishing the death penalty in the UK. It had been still theoretically available for treason and piracy up to then but it was extremely unlikely that even if anyone had been convicted of these crimes over the preceeding 30 years that they would have actually been executed. Successive Home Secretaries had always reprieved persons sentenced to death in the Channel Islands and Isle of Man where the death sentence for murder could still be passed and the Royal Prerogative was observed.
In Britain, between abolition in 1964 and 1999, the murder rate more than doubled (to around 750 per annum) and there have been 71 murders committed by people who have been released after serving "life sentences" in the same period, according to Home Office statistics. Statistics were kept for the 5 years that capital punishment was suspended in Britain (1965 - 1969) and these showed a 125% rise in murders that would have attracted a death sentence. Whilst statistically all this is true it does not tell one how society has changed over the those 34 years. It may well be that the murder rate would be the same today if we had retained and continued to use the death penalty. It impossible to say that only this one factor affects the murder rate. Easier divorce has greatly reduced the number of domestic murders, unavailability of poisons has seen poisoning become almost extinct, whilst tight gun control has reduced the number of shootings. However stabbings have increased dramatically as have the kicking and beating to death of people who have "looked at me funny" or "been eyeing up my girlfriend" i.e. vicious and virtually motiveless killings. As in America greatly improved medical techniques have saved many victims who would have previously died from their injuries (e.g. Josie Russell).
But will Britain restore capital punishment in the future? In the short term (say the next 10 years) the answer is definitely not. Successive free votes on the issue in the Commons have failed to get anywhere near a majority for restoration. There is no doubt that capital punishment is a very emotive issue and there is a strong anti death penalty lobby in this country who would put every obstacle in the way of it's return should it ever become likely.
Re-introduction of something that has been abolished is always much more difficult than introducing something entirely new.
Politically it would also be very difficult given our membership of the EU and our commitment to European Convention on Human Rights, both of which are strongly against capital punishment. The EU contains no member states that practice it and will not allow retentionist states to join. The present Labour government is implacably opposed to capital punishment and has removed it from the statute book for the few remaining offences for which it was still theoretically allowed.
There is also considerable concern at the number of convictions that are being declared unsafe by the Courts, particularly for the most serious offences such as murder and terrorism. Support for the death penalty in Britain seems to be slowly diminishing particularly amongst young people.
Yet we live in a time of ever rising serious crime. Will people become so fed up with escalating levels of crime and what they see in, most cases, as derisory punishments that they will support anything that appears likely to reduce crime and redress the balance? Or do they see the return of capital punishment as a return to barbarity?
I feel that capital punishment should be restored as it will stop people from commiting a lot of crimes. As I said earlier, most crimes have risen since the death penalty was abolished…. People will think… if I kill this person then I will die myself, and they don’t want that, so they won’t do it in the first place.
How do you feel on the subject??? Are you for or against Capital Punishment?
1) 5th Century. Hanging first introduced as a method of execution in Anglo-Saxon Britain.
2) 1196. William Fitz Osbert became the first to hang at Tyburn (for sedition).
3) Circa 1500. Eight capital crimes defined : Treason, petty treason, murder, robbery, larceny, rape and arson.
4) 1787. Transportation replaced hanging, in practice, for many felonies. In the decade 1784 - 1793 there were 434 hangings ordered by the London and Middlesex court (which became the Old Bailey). In the next ten years this dropped to 165 and to 119 in the decade from 1804 - 1813. Prisoners convicted of a first time felony (other than murder, coining forgery and arson) frequently had their death sentences commuted to transportation and this practice carried on until around 1857 by which time very few people were being hanged for crimes other than murder. The minimum time of transportation was 7 years and could be up to the rest of the prisoner's life. Only about 5% of those sentenced to transportation actually ever returned to Britain. Transportation was formally abolished in 1868.
5) 18th March 1789. The last burning at the stake took place at Newgate when Catherine (or Christian) Murphy was executed for High Treason (coining).
6) 1814 Last hanging under the "Black Act" - William Potter for the crime of cutting down an orchard. Even the judge petitioned for a reprieve!
7) 1861. Criminal Law Consolidation Act reduced the number of capital crimes to four : murder, treason (including arson in Royal Naval dockyards), mutiny and piracy.
8) 26th May 1868. Last fully public hanging in England. Michael Barrett at Newgate for the Fenian bombing at Clerkenwell which killed seven people.
9) 1902. Holloway converted to become London's female prison.
10) 1908. The execution of persons under 16 outlawed by the Children's Act of that year.
11) 1931. Sentence of Death (Expectant Mothers) Act 1931. Pregnant women were no longer to be hanged after giving birth. (Mary Ann Cotton became the last to suffer at Durham Castle on 24th March 1873, her baby being taken from her before execution)
12) 27th January 1999. The Home Secretary (Jack Straw) formally signed the 6th protocol of the European Convention of Human Rights in Strasbourg, on behalf of the British government formally abolishing the death penalty in the UK. It had been still theoretically available for treason and piracy up to then but it was extremely unlikely that even if anyone had been convicted of these crimes over the preceeding 30 years that they would have actually been executed. Successive Home Secretaries had always reprieved persons sentenced to death in the Channel Islands and Isle of Man where the death sentence for murder could still be passed and the Royal Prerogative was observed.
In Britain, between abolition in 1964 and 1999, the murder rate more than doubled (to around 750 per annum) and there have been 71 murders committed by people who have been released after serving "life sentences" in the same period, according to Home Office statistics. Statistics were kept for the 5 years that capital punishment was suspended in Britain (1965 - 1969) and these showed a 125% rise in murders that would have attracted a death sentence. Whilst statistically all this is true it does not tell one how society has changed over the those 34 years. It may well be that the murder rate would be the same today if we had retained and continued to use the death penalty. It impossible to say that only this one factor affects the murder rate. Easier divorce has greatly reduced the number of domestic murders, unavailability of poisons has seen poisoning become almost extinct, whilst tight gun control has reduced the number of shootings. However stabbings have increased dramatically as have the kicking and beating to death of people who have "looked at me funny" or "been eyeing up my girlfriend" i.e. vicious and virtually motiveless killings. As in America greatly improved medical techniques have saved many victims who would have previously died from their injuries (e.g. Josie Russell).
But will Britain restore capital punishment in the future? In the short term (say the next 10 years) the answer is definitely not. Successive free votes on the issue in the Commons have failed to get anywhere near a majority for restoration. There is no doubt that capital punishment is a very emotive issue and there is a strong anti death penalty lobby in this country who would put every obstacle in the way of it's return should it ever become likely.
Re-introduction of something that has been abolished is always much more difficult than introducing something entirely new.
Politically it would also be very difficult given our membership of the EU and our commitment to European Convention on Human Rights, both of which are strongly against capital punishment. The EU contains no member states that practice it and will not allow retentionist states to join. The present Labour government is implacably opposed to capital punishment and has removed it from the statute book for the few remaining offences for which it was still theoretically allowed.
There is also considerable concern at the number of convictions that are being declared unsafe by the Courts, particularly for the most serious offences such as murder and terrorism. Support for the death penalty in Britain seems to be slowly diminishing particularly amongst young people.
Yet we live in a time of ever rising serious crime. Will people become so fed up with escalating levels of crime and what they see in, most cases, as derisory punishments that they will support anything that appears likely to reduce crime and redress the balance? Or do they see the return of capital punishment as a return to barbarity?
I feel that capital punishment should be restored as it will stop people from commiting a lot of crimes. As I said earlier, most crimes have risen since the death penalty was abolished…. People will think… if I kill this person then I will die myself, and they don’t want that, so they won’t do it in the first place.
How do you feel on the subject??? Are you for or against Capital Punishment?
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