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Most of us know that there's a PlayStation 3 on the way, and many people are starting to ask questions about what the machine will offer. So I've scoured the net, and tried to piece all of the information together, for those that are interested. So, before anyone accuses me of copying... this is my own work, but incorporates information from a number of different websites - no Copy & Paste except where exact quotes are used!
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As we know, the machine will be powered by a custom chip called The Cell, developed jointly by Sony, IBM and Toshiba. The design is complete, and engineers will soon be creating samples of the chip, with commercial production possibly starting as soon as the end of 2004. While The Cell will feature exclusively in the PS3, there are elements of the design which IBM hope to include in future server chips.
The problem with this new chip is that designing software for it could be even more of a challenge than designing the chip itself. But the chip itself is exactly what developers have asked for in the past.
Just after the launch of the original PlayStation in 1993, Shin'ichi Okamoto (Senior Vice President and CTO of Sony Computer Entertainment) asked an in-house developer at Sony what sort of power they'd need to create their ideal game. The developer replied "18,000 times the processing power of PS1". After the launch of PS2 (300 times the power of PS1), the same question was asked, and the developer replied "1,000 times the power of PS2" - and that is what Sony are trying to achieve.
But back to the software. It will take a significant leap in software development to get the best from the new chip. Richard Doherty, analyst at Envisioneering Group research firm, says "we believe the chip architecture is going to be on time and ahead of the software wizardry that is going to really make it get up and dance."
Sony demonstrated an early model to a select audience in July this year, and it seems that much of the work on The Cell is complete - although a physical chip is yet to be produced. This is where Sony's alliance with IBM and Toshiba really kicks in. Sony are effectively trying to overcome Moore's Law - that processing power roughly doubles every 18 months. What Sony are attempting would condense 20 years of Moore's Law into 5, and if they achieve that, it could be bad news for other chip manufacturers.
The Cell is basically a distributed computing network (i.e. multiple processors) on one single chip, and so Sony are looking at using IBM's silicon-on-insulator process on the new chip design. This allows transistors to be packed more densely, allowing 500 million or more on a single chip. As a guide, PS2's Emotion Engine has 13 million transistors.
"This means that Sony will be able to design its chips to take advantage of a manufacturing process that doesn't yet exist," says Bijan Davari, vice president for technology and emerging products at IBM. "By combining improvements in chip architecture, software, circuit design, and manufacturing, this is how we move toward a thousand times current performance." Apparently, this decision could pressure Microsoft into spending far more money on the development of the next Xbox if they want to compete.
The Cell is also set to feature 256MB of on-chip RAM. The machine as a whole will contain a slot-loading disc system, and possibly use Blu-Ray discs (capable of storing up to 27Gb) and be capable of rendering 6 texture layers in a single pass. It will also be the first Sony machine to feature four controller ports as standard.
Sony also hope that cell-computing chips will also be used in other devices such as TVs, camcorders and other electronic devices, rather than just the PS3. That way, production costs will fall far quicker.
In terms of the competition, nothing is yet known about any Nintendo successor to Gamecube, but Xbox2 is unlikely to receive any custom chips. Intel have no match for IBM's silicon-on-insulator process, and they also do not customise chips for specific purposes. Nvidia and other Xbox chip suppliers could only produce custom chips with funding from Microsoft. MS are expected to lose hundreds of millions of dollars on Xbox, and branching into custom ship design would add significantly to those losses. However, if they want to compete in the next generation battle, they may have to accept those losses.
But don't expect PS3 any time soon. Criterion recently confirmed that they believe Halo would be perfectly possibly on PS2, and stated that even with the increased number of polygons in Burnout 2 they're still only scratching the surface of PS2. Sony have revealed that developer Lost Boys have been working on a Halo-esque FPS since August 2000, with work on the game engine starting months before that. Sony clearly expect to get at least another 4 or 5 years out of PS2.
Web sources:
http://freeola.com
http://www.chinapost.com
http://www.zdnet.com
http://www.redherring.com
http://www.consolewire.com
http://www.gamespy.com
Print sources:
PSM2
UK Official PS2 magazine
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As we know, the machine will be powered by a custom chip called The Cell, developed jointly by Sony, IBM and Toshiba. The design is complete, and engineers will soon be creating samples of the chip, with commercial production possibly starting as soon as the end of 2004. While The Cell will feature exclusively in the PS3, there are elements of the design which IBM hope to include in future server chips.
The problem with this new chip is that designing software for it could be even more of a challenge than designing the chip itself. But the chip itself is exactly what developers have asked for in the past.
Just after the launch of the original PlayStation in 1993, Shin'ichi Okamoto (Senior Vice President and CTO of Sony Computer Entertainment) asked an in-house developer at Sony what sort of power they'd need to create their ideal game. The developer replied "18,000 times the processing power of PS1". After the launch of PS2 (300 times the power of PS1), the same question was asked, and the developer replied "1,000 times the power of PS2" - and that is what Sony are trying to achieve.
But back to the software. It will take a significant leap in software development to get the best from the new chip. Richard Doherty, analyst at Envisioneering Group research firm, says "we believe the chip architecture is going to be on time and ahead of the software wizardry that is going to really make it get up and dance."
Sony demonstrated an early model to a select audience in July this year, and it seems that much of the work on The Cell is complete - although a physical chip is yet to be produced. This is where Sony's alliance with IBM and Toshiba really kicks in. Sony are effectively trying to overcome Moore's Law - that processing power roughly doubles every 18 months. What Sony are attempting would condense 20 years of Moore's Law into 5, and if they achieve that, it could be bad news for other chip manufacturers.
The Cell is basically a distributed computing network (i.e. multiple processors) on one single chip, and so Sony are looking at using IBM's silicon-on-insulator process on the new chip design. This allows transistors to be packed more densely, allowing 500 million or more on a single chip. As a guide, PS2's Emotion Engine has 13 million transistors.
"This means that Sony will be able to design its chips to take advantage of a manufacturing process that doesn't yet exist," says Bijan Davari, vice president for technology and emerging products at IBM. "By combining improvements in chip architecture, software, circuit design, and manufacturing, this is how we move toward a thousand times current performance." Apparently, this decision could pressure Microsoft into spending far more money on the development of the next Xbox if they want to compete.
The Cell is also set to feature 256MB of on-chip RAM. The machine as a whole will contain a slot-loading disc system, and possibly use Blu-Ray discs (capable of storing up to 27Gb) and be capable of rendering 6 texture layers in a single pass. It will also be the first Sony machine to feature four controller ports as standard.
Sony also hope that cell-computing chips will also be used in other devices such as TVs, camcorders and other electronic devices, rather than just the PS3. That way, production costs will fall far quicker.
In terms of the competition, nothing is yet known about any Nintendo successor to Gamecube, but Xbox2 is unlikely to receive any custom chips. Intel have no match for IBM's silicon-on-insulator process, and they also do not customise chips for specific purposes. Nvidia and other Xbox chip suppliers could only produce custom chips with funding from Microsoft. MS are expected to lose hundreds of millions of dollars on Xbox, and branching into custom ship design would add significantly to those losses. However, if they want to compete in the next generation battle, they may have to accept those losses.
But don't expect PS3 any time soon. Criterion recently confirmed that they believe Halo would be perfectly possibly on PS2, and stated that even with the increased number of polygons in Burnout 2 they're still only scratching the surface of PS2. Sony have revealed that developer Lost Boys have been working on a Halo-esque FPS since August 2000, with work on the game engine starting months before that. Sony clearly expect to get at least another 4 or 5 years out of PS2.
Web sources:
http://freeola.com
http://www.chinapost.com
http://www.zdnet.com
http://www.redherring.com
http://www.consolewire.com
http://www.gamespy.com
Print sources:
PSM2
UK Official PS2 magazine
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But there were rumours of the PS2 having 4 controller ports in the beginning, but that failed. It is also "said" to have a seperate DVD slot.
An article from GamesMaster, November 2002 issue magazine:
"PS3 ON THE WAY >> But not till '05!"
"More rumblings from Sony about the Playstation 3, and things are sounding stranger by the minute. Sony are working with IBM and Toshiba to create a whole new processor. Although lots of people are calling it the Cell, we hear it's going to be called the Grid, and its going to be incredibly powerful because loads of Grids will be connected together to deilver supercomputer-level processing."
"You won't buy games for it on disc, either. Since the Grid's already hooked up to a giant network, you'll buy them online and download them via broadband. Sony's also looking into the possibility of a super-fast fibre-optic network."
"And get this - you might not get to buy an actual PS3 at all! Sony are said to be planning to put Cell chips in all sorts of stuff - TVs Videos, DVD Players, etc - so that when you buy a new telly it'll have built-in PS3 gaming. Of course, they might well release a stand-alone PS3 as well."
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Some interesting ideas regarding the new PS system. Although, compairing this with some of the things Wòókiee wrote, its hard to pinpoint what is true and what is just pure guess work.
Its easy to believe that Sony are working with IBM on this one, as that seem to be the story wherever some PS3 news is written. The fact that GM said they hear the Cell is acrually called the Grid is something that could be false, as it sounds to cimiler to the original name, so might have been a little rumer that surfaced from somwhere just for the sake of it.
Something that does sound like a wacky idea is the downloading of games to the system via broadband. I suppose if the Hard Drive was put in place then that would be more viable, but still, how many people actually have broadband??? Not a hell of a lot compaired to people who can go and buy the games from the shop. Of course, you could say that everyone will have Broadband by the time the PS3 is released, but thats a pretty big ganble on sony's part, wouldn't you say??
What about speeds?? Those who have broadband at the moment, how long does it take to download large files, still a while, compaired to sticking in a CD and turning the system on. Would you really want to wait for a game to download???
Well, I can't really comment much at this time, as things are still a long way away, but I am certainly intreged as to what they plan on doing.
One thing I do believe though, is that with all those processor power stories and news, I think Sony are planning for the PS3 to have a much longer life span than any other console.
"PS3 ON THE WAY >> But not till '05!"
"More rumblings from Sony about the Playstation 3, and things are sounding stranger by the minute. Sony are working with IBM and Toshiba to create a whole new processor. Although lots of people are calling it the Cell, we hear it's going to be called the Grid, and its going to be incredibly powerful because loads of Grids will be connected together to deilver supercomputer-level processing."
"You won't buy games for it on disc, either. Since the Grid's already hooked up to a giant network, you'll buy them online and download them via broadband. Sony's also looking into the possibility of a super-fast fibre-optic network."
"And get this - you might not get to buy an actual PS3 at all! Sony are said to be planning to put Cell chips in all sorts of stuff - TVs Videos, DVD Players, etc - so that when you buy a new telly it'll have built-in PS3 gaming. Of course, they might well release a stand-alone PS3 as well."
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Some interesting ideas regarding the new PS system. Although, compairing this with some of the things Wòókiee wrote, its hard to pinpoint what is true and what is just pure guess work.
Its easy to believe that Sony are working with IBM on this one, as that seem to be the story wherever some PS3 news is written. The fact that GM said they hear the Cell is acrually called the Grid is something that could be false, as it sounds to cimiler to the original name, so might have been a little rumer that surfaced from somwhere just for the sake of it.
Something that does sound like a wacky idea is the downloading of games to the system via broadband. I suppose if the Hard Drive was put in place then that would be more viable, but still, how many people actually have broadband??? Not a hell of a lot compaired to people who can go and buy the games from the shop. Of course, you could say that everyone will have Broadband by the time the PS3 is released, but thats a pretty big ganble on sony's part, wouldn't you say??
What about speeds?? Those who have broadband at the moment, how long does it take to download large files, still a while, compaired to sticking in a CD and turning the system on. Would you really want to wait for a game to download???
Well, I can't really comment much at this time, as things are still a long way away, but I am certainly intreged as to what they plan on doing.
One thing I do believe though, is that with all those processor power stories and news, I think Sony are planning for the PS3 to have a much longer life span than any other console.
That GamesMaster article sounds like a mish-mash of old, out-of-date information, cobbled together in an attempt to catch up with the news.
'The Cell' is so-called because of the type of computing - cellular - that it will use. Where they got 'The Grid' from is anyone's guess!
The machine definitely won't be online-only, as a prototype with a disc slot has already been shown.
The idea of downloadable games is something Sony have been throwing around for a long time now, but it's still not practical. Even with a broadband 512K connection, it still takes around an hour to download around 200MB. That's 3 hours or so for a full 650MB CD. When you consider that most PS2 games come on DVD now, and that - for example - Gran Turismo 3 has 3.5GB (gigabytes!) on the disc, then you begin to see why it's not practical.
And when you think that a game could in theory use a full single-sided dual-layer DVD9, that runs it up to 9 gigabytes. Even on NTLs recent 1MB connections, that's still a lot of download hours.
Finally, when Sony talk of using 'The Cell' in other appliances, they are referring to altered versions of the chip. After all, if you spend billions developing this technology, you are going to want to make it widely available to recoup as much money as you can. But why would you want to put a chip... capable of pushing who knows how many million polygons a second... into a fridge or microwave? :-)
'The Cell' is so-called because of the type of computing - cellular - that it will use. Where they got 'The Grid' from is anyone's guess!
The machine definitely won't be online-only, as a prototype with a disc slot has already been shown.
The idea of downloadable games is something Sony have been throwing around for a long time now, but it's still not practical. Even with a broadband 512K connection, it still takes around an hour to download around 200MB. That's 3 hours or so for a full 650MB CD. When you consider that most PS2 games come on DVD now, and that - for example - Gran Turismo 3 has 3.5GB (gigabytes!) on the disc, then you begin to see why it's not practical.
And when you think that a game could in theory use a full single-sided dual-layer DVD9, that runs it up to 9 gigabytes. Even on NTLs recent 1MB connections, that's still a lot of download hours.
Finally, when Sony talk of using 'The Cell' in other appliances, they are referring to altered versions of the chip. After all, if you spend billions developing this technology, you are going to want to make it widely available to recoup as much money as you can. But why would you want to put a chip... capable of pushing who knows how many million polygons a second... into a fridge or microwave? :-)
Will it be as good as the Nintendo GameCuboid?
I think muliple DVD ports should become a feature.
Stops all that disk-swapping.
Spot the lazy git
Stops all that disk-swapping.
Spot the lazy git
WòókieeMøn§†€® wrote:
> The Moore's Law issue is questionable; while it has held true so far,
> I don't see any reason that it can't be broken. As technology
> improves, there's no reason that CPU speeds can't go higher than
> doubling every 18 months.
Is the law specific to speed, the speed can stay the same and the power could double?
Also, as you say the Cell is mulitiprocessor on one chip so can it be compaired?
> The Moore's Law issue is questionable; while it has held true so far,
> I don't see any reason that it can't be broken. As technology
> improves, there's no reason that CPU speeds can't go higher than
> doubling every 18 months.
Is the law specific to speed, the speed can stay the same and the power could double?
Also, as you say the Cell is mulitiprocessor on one chip so can it be compaired?
Pop! But not without reason...
From http://special.reserve.co.uk/news/story.php?id=2334
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PlayStation3 technology updates
Web posted on 8/1/03
Sony stick lots of 'stuff' in new console.
The 'Cell' chip, which will take the place of the Emotion Engine in Sony's next machine, will be joined by more chips with apostrophies around their names.
Sony have signed contracts with Toshiba and Rambus, the latter of which have brought 'Yellowstone' and 'Redwood' technologies to the console melting pot. 'Yellowstone' is a high-speed interface between the memory and microprocessors and 'Redwood' does the same job, but between two chips.
They would both provide enhanced broadband capabilities, giving a few hints about Sony's future strategy.
The 'Cell' wedges lots of individual chips into one, delivering more than 1 trillion mathematical calculations every second. That's 10 times more than a Pentium 4 2.5Ghz. Which is an awful lot.
The 'Yellowstone' and 'Redwood' come into their own here, transfering all the data from the 'brain' of the machine to the 'limbs.' This should make games very good, and Rambus a lot of bits of paper with the Queen's head on.
More news 'when' we 'get' it.
From http://special.reserve.co.uk/news/story.php?id=2334
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PlayStation3 technology updates
Web posted on 8/1/03
Sony stick lots of 'stuff' in new console.
The 'Cell' chip, which will take the place of the Emotion Engine in Sony's next machine, will be joined by more chips with apostrophies around their names.
Sony have signed contracts with Toshiba and Rambus, the latter of which have brought 'Yellowstone' and 'Redwood' technologies to the console melting pot. 'Yellowstone' is a high-speed interface between the memory and microprocessors and 'Redwood' does the same job, but between two chips.
They would both provide enhanced broadband capabilities, giving a few hints about Sony's future strategy.
The 'Cell' wedges lots of individual chips into one, delivering more than 1 trillion mathematical calculations every second. That's 10 times more than a Pentium 4 2.5Ghz. Which is an awful lot.
The 'Yellowstone' and 'Redwood' come into their own here, transfering all the data from the 'brain' of the machine to the 'limbs.' This should make games very good, and Rambus a lot of bits of paper with the Queen's head on.
More news 'when' we 'get' it.
You said 10 times faster than a 2.5GHz, if Sony released a 25GHz console, Microsoft would be screwed! It is already known that Microsoft has the ability to release 5GHz computers but they know that they may as well just drip-feed the public to get the most money out of them. However, a 25GHz console could probably change everything, for once, consoles might be faster than the up to date PCs! 2006 is awfully far away though...
Not 10 times faster - 10 times more calculations. That's not *necessarily* 10 times faster. And I didn't say it, I only quoted it!
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