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Okay, so the thread title is a little OTT, but you do have to wonder sometimes.
It is now three weeks to the day that Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman were abducted, and kids that we don't know are still knocking on our door asking various questions.
My friend Mark was round today, and as he left just 20 minutes ago, two little girls - no more than 8 or 9 years old - came running down the path from two doors away, stopped at the door and asked me if I wanted to hear them sing. I said 'no thank you' and shut the door.
Now I have a healthy dislike of children - I've hated kids since I was practically a kid myself, whether it be babies or youngsters; in fact I can only tolerate mid-to-late teens onwards. I can't stand having them around me - I get away from them as soon as I possibly can - and I have absolutely no intention of ever having kids myself. But having said that, I could never actually harm them.
Still, I have to wonder why - with all that happens - parents still let their kids go out alone, or go knocking on the doors of total strangers. Apart from Holly and Jessica, we've also had Sarah Payne. Even older kids aren't safe - we still don't know what's happened to Amanda 'Milly' Dowler.
We live on a large council estate, and on any given day you can walk around and see any number of 'strange' people, who I personally wouldn't want to know - let alone trust with kids. I know you're not supposed to judge a book by its cover and so on, but let's face it - we all do, and we've all been given 'the creeps' by strange-looking people at one time or another.
We've also had young kids knock asking us if we want to buy various trinkets etc. Now, if I were to say, "Yes okay, come in while I get some money", I doubt a young kid is going to think twice about coming into my house if he/she thinks there's some cash in it.
Going back to the girls wanting to sing - that's two little girls, approaching a 6' 3" guy who they'd never seen or spoken to before. My friend had gone, and there was no-one else around. If I were paedophile, that's an open invitation isn't it? I could have grabbed them - easy target. They could have screamed, but no-one would have paid any attention because the kids round here are always screaming. And by the time anyone realised, it would be too late.
I know you can't keep kids in and stop them playing, but for crying out loud, these kids need to have some education and discipline drummed into them - and parents need to take responsibility for them.
There's a woman across the way from us who has abuot six kids, all young. They're out playing every day during the school holidays and make a lot of noise. Then all of a sudden, it goes quiet. Or all of a sudden you'll hear a scream, and then crying. Not once has either of the parents come out to see what's happening, where the kids are, or if they're okay.
A lot of parents these days give the impression that they don't care where their kids are or what they're doing, as long as they're not under their feet and getting in their way. When we do hear them speaking to the kids, they're usually yelling at them about something or other.
I'm not suggesting for one second that Holly and Jessica's parents were bad parents, but the fact that even after this tragedy young girls are still out alone, unsupervised and knocking on the doors of strangers, suggests to me that there ARE many bad parents out there.
They seem to ignore and forget about their kids on a daily basis - yet were such a tragedy to happen to them, they'd be on TV sobbing their hearts out, their kids suddenly becoming the centre of their universe, and blaming the Government for not doing enough to protect their kids.
I know that sounds cold, but I hope those of you that have kids will know what I'm getting at. Yes, kids should be able to go out safely, without parents worrying about these monsters. But the fact is, they can't. These sickos do exist, and too many parents these days don't take responsibility for their kids, being too eager to pass the buck to someone else. "It's the Government's fault for not doing enough to lock up the perverts."
Sure, there is a responsibilty on the Government's behalf to do something more about it. But the bulk of responsibility for the safety of children lies solely with the parents. If you are not prepared to take that responsibility, you have no business bringing a child into this world.
It is now three weeks to the day that Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman were abducted, and kids that we don't know are still knocking on our door asking various questions.
My friend Mark was round today, and as he left just 20 minutes ago, two little girls - no more than 8 or 9 years old - came running down the path from two doors away, stopped at the door and asked me if I wanted to hear them sing. I said 'no thank you' and shut the door.
Now I have a healthy dislike of children - I've hated kids since I was practically a kid myself, whether it be babies or youngsters; in fact I can only tolerate mid-to-late teens onwards. I can't stand having them around me - I get away from them as soon as I possibly can - and I have absolutely no intention of ever having kids myself. But having said that, I could never actually harm them.
Still, I have to wonder why - with all that happens - parents still let their kids go out alone, or go knocking on the doors of total strangers. Apart from Holly and Jessica, we've also had Sarah Payne. Even older kids aren't safe - we still don't know what's happened to Amanda 'Milly' Dowler.
We live on a large council estate, and on any given day you can walk around and see any number of 'strange' people, who I personally wouldn't want to know - let alone trust with kids. I know you're not supposed to judge a book by its cover and so on, but let's face it - we all do, and we've all been given 'the creeps' by strange-looking people at one time or another.
We've also had young kids knock asking us if we want to buy various trinkets etc. Now, if I were to say, "Yes okay, come in while I get some money", I doubt a young kid is going to think twice about coming into my house if he/she thinks there's some cash in it.
Going back to the girls wanting to sing - that's two little girls, approaching a 6' 3" guy who they'd never seen or spoken to before. My friend had gone, and there was no-one else around. If I were paedophile, that's an open invitation isn't it? I could have grabbed them - easy target. They could have screamed, but no-one would have paid any attention because the kids round here are always screaming. And by the time anyone realised, it would be too late.
I know you can't keep kids in and stop them playing, but for crying out loud, these kids need to have some education and discipline drummed into them - and parents need to take responsibility for them.
There's a woman across the way from us who has abuot six kids, all young. They're out playing every day during the school holidays and make a lot of noise. Then all of a sudden, it goes quiet. Or all of a sudden you'll hear a scream, and then crying. Not once has either of the parents come out to see what's happening, where the kids are, or if they're okay.
A lot of parents these days give the impression that they don't care where their kids are or what they're doing, as long as they're not under their feet and getting in their way. When we do hear them speaking to the kids, they're usually yelling at them about something or other.
I'm not suggesting for one second that Holly and Jessica's parents were bad parents, but the fact that even after this tragedy young girls are still out alone, unsupervised and knocking on the doors of strangers, suggests to me that there ARE many bad parents out there.
They seem to ignore and forget about their kids on a daily basis - yet were such a tragedy to happen to them, they'd be on TV sobbing their hearts out, their kids suddenly becoming the centre of their universe, and blaming the Government for not doing enough to protect their kids.
I know that sounds cold, but I hope those of you that have kids will know what I'm getting at. Yes, kids should be able to go out safely, without parents worrying about these monsters. But the fact is, they can't. These sickos do exist, and too many parents these days don't take responsibility for their kids, being too eager to pass the buck to someone else. "It's the Government's fault for not doing enough to lock up the perverts."
Sure, there is a responsibilty on the Government's behalf to do something more about it. But the bulk of responsibility for the safety of children lies solely with the parents. If you are not prepared to take that responsibility, you have no business bringing a child into this world.
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Yeah, but if someone snatches one kid and tells the other 2 'come with me or I kill your friend' then he/she's got all 3 or however many...
WòókieeMøn§†€® wrote:
> Absolutely never. It was drummed into me by my parents, and by the
> teachers at school, and I was smart enough to realise the dangers for
> myself.
Well, I always did. I'd start by going round a mates house or whateever, as I said I would. But then someone would say "fancy going to the park?" or whatever, and I'd go off to the park.
No mobile phnes in those days kids, so no way of letting my parents know.
Anyway, I feel that if there is a group of kids, i.e 3 or more, then you'll be safe, as no one person can snatch 3 kids at once, so at least one would get away to raise the alarm.
> Absolutely never. It was drummed into me by my parents, and by the
> teachers at school, and I was smart enough to realise the dangers for
> myself.
Well, I always did. I'd start by going round a mates house or whateever, as I said I would. But then someone would say "fancy going to the park?" or whatever, and I'd go off to the park.
No mobile phnes in those days kids, so no way of letting my parents know.
Anyway, I feel that if there is a group of kids, i.e 3 or more, then you'll be safe, as no one person can snatch 3 kids at once, so at least one would get away to raise the alarm.
Your Honour wrote:
> Wookiee, I hate to tell you this, but in the makority of abduction
> cases, the kids are taken by people they know.
As I said, there are instances that you simply cannot guard against. Family members and family friends are two of those. But you can reduce risks from elsewhere, and there is no reason a kid should go off with anyone else, for any reason. I was always taught not to, so I didn't.
> How many times did you tell your parents you'd be going to one place,
> but then end up doing something else?
Absolutely never. It was drummed into me by my parents, and by the teachers at school, and I was smart enough to realise the dangers for myself.
> Wookiee, I hate to tell you this, but in the makority of abduction
> cases, the kids are taken by people they know.
As I said, there are instances that you simply cannot guard against. Family members and family friends are two of those. But you can reduce risks from elsewhere, and there is no reason a kid should go off with anyone else, for any reason. I was always taught not to, so I didn't.
> How many times did you tell your parents you'd be going to one place,
> but then end up doing something else?
Absolutely never. It was drummed into me by my parents, and by the teachers at school, and I was smart enough to realise the dangers for myself.
Wookiee, I hate to tell you this, but in the makority of abduction cases, the kids are taken by people they know.
Be it a family member, or a freind of the family, or a caretaker at the local school. It's someone they know and trust. They think they'll be safe, so they go with them.
As for Sheepy's point about leaving notes and tellinmg your parents what time you'll be back. I did that too, but looking back on it, it's pointless.
How many times did you tell your parents you'd be going to one place, but then end up doing something else? Anyway, if you did go missing, your parents wouldn't know until you weren't home at the appoineted timne, and by then it would be too late...
Be it a family member, or a freind of the family, or a caretaker at the local school. It's someone they know and trust. They think they'll be safe, so they go with them.
As for Sheepy's point about leaving notes and tellinmg your parents what time you'll be back. I did that too, but looking back on it, it's pointless.
How many times did you tell your parents you'd be going to one place, but then end up doing something else? Anyway, if you did go missing, your parents wouldn't know until you weren't home at the appoineted timne, and by then it would be too late...
<- Pappa Lazarou -> wrote:
> Sorry to tell you this, but kids have been known to have been snatched
> from their bedrooms, while their parents are asleep in the next
> room.
That's true, but there is usually more to those cases than 'simple' paedophilia. There's little you can do about that type of abduction, but there is plenty you can do to stop your children speaking to strangers or knocking on people's doors.
Halloween is approaching, and I expect there will be numerous unescorted kids knocking at the door. I won't know whether to give them sweets, or a note for their parents telling them how stupid they are.
> Sorry to tell you this, but kids have been known to have been snatched
> from their bedrooms, while their parents are asleep in the next
> room.
That's true, but there is usually more to those cases than 'simple' paedophilia. There's little you can do about that type of abduction, but there is plenty you can do to stop your children speaking to strangers or knocking on people's doors.
Halloween is approaching, and I expect there will be numerous unescorted kids knocking at the door. I won't know whether to give them sweets, or a note for their parents telling them how stupid they are.
so, what would you have parents do? Strap their kids down in their bedrooms? Give them an armed escort to even the shortest destination?
Sorry to tell you this, but kids have been known to have been snatched from their bedrooms, while their parents are asleep in the next room.
How far are we supposed to go?
You can educate your children to be wary, as opposed to sheltering them from the world. Your young years are supposed to be full of innocence. But if keeping the evilness of the world from children makes them naive and easy targets, then you have to consider exposing them to cold hard facts.
One idea I would think to be intelligent is to teach self defence in schools as they did in Japan years ago. Of course a child is no match for an adult, but I believe it could help in some way.
Children need to know how serious the situation is. They need to know that evil does not come in the form of a monster, but in the form of a seemingly pleasant old man giving out sweets.
Sorry to tell you this, but kids have been known to have been snatched from their bedrooms, while their parents are asleep in the next room.
How far are we supposed to go?
You can educate your children to be wary, as opposed to sheltering them from the world. Your young years are supposed to be full of innocence. But if keeping the evilness of the world from children makes them naive and easy targets, then you have to consider exposing them to cold hard facts.
One idea I would think to be intelligent is to teach self defence in schools as they did in Japan years ago. Of course a child is no match for an adult, but I believe it could help in some way.
Children need to know how serious the situation is. They need to know that evil does not come in the form of a monster, but in the form of a seemingly pleasant old man giving out sweets.
No they don't
But they'll only see their faults as parents when it's too late.
My parents always asked where I was going... who I as going with... and what time to be back.
I had my freedom but always under eye of parents... something many parents don't do.
But they'll only see their faults as parents when it's too late.
My parents always asked where I was going... who I as going with... and what time to be back.
I had my freedom but always under eye of parents... something many parents don't do.
I was in a shopping centre and this mother just told her son to wait outside this shop and she left him for like an hour...did she not learn anything from that Sarah / Holly / Jessica abductions?
Some folks
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Some folks
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Asher D wrote:
> I'm sure no parent wants there child snatched off the street and then
> Killed in a sick way.
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True but it is sometimes hard to believe especially when parents let their kids run around with no supervision at all.
Saturdays I work on the local market selling games and consoles, I swear kids as young as seven or eight come to the market on their own and just run around being little sh**s setting off stink bombs and generally annoying everyone in hearing distance.
When I was ten, my parents never let me go into town or even the local park on my own, granted that was nearly ten years ago but you'd think that after seeing god knows how many news reports about kids being kidnapped and murdered. Parents would be ever *more* protective of their children.
It doesn't help having a group of twelve year olds in a certain pop group, dolled up to look eighteen and singing about love.
What a load of crap.
If they were to do a tour it would be the biggest gathering of pedophiles ever.
Hope that made sense,not used to being so serious.
> I'm sure no parent wants there child snatched off the street and then
> Killed in a sick way.
******
True but it is sometimes hard to believe especially when parents let their kids run around with no supervision at all.
Saturdays I work on the local market selling games and consoles, I swear kids as young as seven or eight come to the market on their own and just run around being little sh**s setting off stink bombs and generally annoying everyone in hearing distance.
When I was ten, my parents never let me go into town or even the local park on my own, granted that was nearly ten years ago but you'd think that after seeing god knows how many news reports about kids being kidnapped and murdered. Parents would be ever *more* protective of their children.
It doesn't help having a group of twelve year olds in a certain pop group, dolled up to look eighteen and singing about love.
What a load of crap.
If they were to do a tour it would be the biggest gathering of pedophiles ever.
Hope that made sense,not used to being so serious.
I'm sure no parent wants there child snatched off the street and then killed in a sick way.
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