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Fri 23/08/02 at 19:05
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Finally completed Shenmue 2 today!

I was getting a bit bored of it by the end of the third disk, but the 4th disk more than made up for it! It was so beautiful and a fantastic finish to the game!

I just want to play Shenmue 3 NOW!!!

It better NOT be an X-Box exclusive or I'll cry!

:)
Sat 24/08/02 at 16:23
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Cooky wrote:
> I hate to do this but I'm gonna have to disagree slightly.
>
> Yes the X-Box probably could produce slllighty better graphics than
> say the Gamecube, but that's only if the developer REALLY tries.

--I believe though that Shenmue 3 will realyl stretch the graphics, GC has amazign graphics but you cant deny that XBox has the most potential in the graphics department.... Dead Or Alive 3 which in mind mind looks graphically better than anything on GC at the moment has only used half of the graphical power (i think it was even more)... but XBox has the better graphics at the end of the day and potentially it has far better graphics than anything out there...... BUT, ITS WHETHER TEH DEVELOPERS WANT TO BE BOTHERED TO REALLY STRETCH THE XBOX!!!!! Im not sure if we will ever see if fully stretched, that could be a problem.

> I think the Dreamcast versions of the games looked fantastic and I
> feel that this could quite easily be reproduced on the GC. I'm not
> trying to diss the XB. It's an alright console. Quite a few of my
> mates have em. But the prob is I don't, nor can I be bothered to get
> one. {Ain't got enough space to put it, nor are there enough games on
> it to warrant me wanting one.}
> I don't see why Sega wouldn't want to bring it out on the GC.

--It can also be easily reproduced on XBox aswell as Gamecube. I think your only bothered about this because you dont own an XBox... Im sure if you were really honest you would understand that deep down XBox really is the console to support the series.... GC would haev trouble loading even bigger environments and amazing graphics aswell as a high frame rate at the same time... please dont get me wrong, I think GC is a great little machine but im being realistic, XBox is the best console in my opinion to support the series.

> For instance, Shenmue 1 was released in Jap,US,EU! Everyone luved it,
> sold tonnes! Shenmue 2 was only released in Jap,EU! Not the US! The
> XB is doing absolutely ....poor... in Japan, and isn't the best
> console in Europe. So I don't see why Sega would deem this the best
> console to release the game on.

--Funnily enough I wondered that... but Sega have a great relationship with MS (Ms helped them develop the Dreamcast!) and Yu Suzuki recently said that XBox is the best hardware to have Shenmue on......... XBox might not have sold that well in Japan, but we haev to remember Shenmue wasnt a massive hit in Japan either!!!!! It did very well in Europe and US!!! So its debatable whether Shenmue will sell on XBox I believe it will....... even if you think not many people in Japan have an XBox, then the release of Shenmue might sell more XBoxes in Japan!!!

> Financially it’s better for Sega to release it on either PS2, or GC.
> I’d say GC because I think the graphics for the game would be better
> than that of the game on the PS2.

--I know I keep going no about graphics and graphics arnt everything but XBox potentially has graphics which are qutie supreior to Gamecube and PS2.

Also the pad would be a lot better!

--I haev to disagree im afraid, one of my friends owns a GC and I cant figure out how Sega could ever make the GC controller buttons compatible for the Shenmue QTE's, Xbox has a very similar layout to the Dreamcast controller.

> Also it would be better for Yu Suzuki (think I spelt that right) to
> release his game on either the PS2, or GC. Why? If you develop a
> game, especially one of the size and scope of Shenmue, you want as
> many people to experience your game as possible. This can’t be
> accomplished by releasing the game solely on the X-Box! I’m not
> trying to bag the X-Box or anything, I’m just stating that there isn’t
> wide enough spread of the X-Box! I can’t see why Sega would confine
> themselves to that single console! Especially in Japan!!!

--I know what you are saying but you seem a bit biased, because you seem to think its ok to release Shenmue on PS2 and GC and NOT on XBox, why? I know many, many Sega fans who bought an XBox after DC died. Also Yu Suzuki doesnt seem to share the view you have.

>
> Also you all comment about taking your save over from Shenmue 2 on the
> X-Box onto Shenmue 3. Weeeellll honestly I don’t see that being that
> much of a problem or an advantage. Because there was one thing I
> didn’t like about Shenmue 2 that I did about Shenmue 1 and which I
> thought was going to be a major part of the game.
> In Shenmue 1 you had a feeling, a sense, that you had to train up Ryo.
> You went to places like the Park, the Dojo, the other park with the
> old man at, or the carpark, and you could practise all your moves, and
> thus improve the stats etc of your character. In Shenmue 2 I didn’t
> have this feeling. You just felt that the fighting or training up of
> your character wasn’t that much of a major aspect to the game. Some
> may feel differently, but that was my opinion. I’m not saying Shenmue
> 2 was a bad game either, the Shenmue series is one of my favourite
> games of all time I’d say. The story and characters are just so well
> thoughtout and done, that it just makes it a fantastic game.

--Bringing the saves over from shenmue 1 to Shenmue 2 was a fantastic idea.... you could bring over your money which was great, all your little toys out of the casules to pawn at the pawn shops....... and you took the Chinese scrolls with you to Hong Kong where only in Hong Kong could they be translated!!! Its clever how well Sega planned out this game! In Shenmue 1 you couldnt understand the Chinese scrolls but only going to Hong Kong could be translated cos they were written in Chinese, which was great.... it made me look forward more to Shenmue 2, wonderin what moves I was to unlock!
I agree, there should be a place in shenmue 2 where you can train... but you cna spar with people...... however I dont see what this fault has to do with which consoel Shenmue should go on.


>
> So in all honestly I hope Shenmue 3 gets release on GC, maybe even on
> XB! I want as many people to be able to experience this game as
> possible. Something I can’t see happening if confined to the XB.
>
> :)


--Overall... I would love to see Shenmue released on all the consoles, if they could all do the same things, but seeing a multiple release would see the Shenmue series appear scrappy, just look at some conversions of other games! It jsut doesnt work, releasing Shenmue on PS2 and GC and XBox would bring down the series a lot, because it needs to be powerful enough to run on PS2 and XBox meaning that the game as a whole would not be able to excell! We would be seeing a PS2 port of GC and Xbox which would mean worse graphics, Sega are not gonig to create completely different Shenmue games for the other consoles to suit a certain consoles needs, I fell that Shenmue needs one console where it can be REALLY and I mean really pushed to its limits.

You believe it is Gamecube...... but I can only understand your view from a financial point! Referring to the actual game itself, no one can deny that XBox is suited for it. Im not biased, im jsut being hoenst and realistic, XBox can do the best for the GAME!

Im in a neutral position, and if GC was more powerful than XBox or if it had a hard drive, I would perfer the Shenmue series to go to GC.... it proves im not biased at all, but I just want to see the best out of my favourite Saga! I just want to see it on the console which will make the game better whether it is XBox or not!!!

Thanx.
(No hard feelings.... I just feel that Shenmue should be on a console which will do the game best!)
Sat 24/08/02 at 09:48
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I hate to do this but I'm gonna have to disagree slightly.

Yes the X-Box probably could produce slllighty better graphics than say the Gamecube, but that's only if the developer REALLY tries.
I think the Dreamcast versions of the games looked fantastic and I feel that this could quite easily be reproduced on the GC. I'm not trying to diss the XB. It's an alright console. Quite a few of my mates have em. But the prob is I don't, nor can I be bothered to get one. {Ain't got enough space to put it, nor are there enough games on it to warrant me wanting one.}
I don't see why Sega wouldn't want to bring it out on the GC.
For instance, Shenmue 1 was released in Jap,US,EU! Everyone luved it, sold tonnes! Shenmue 2 was only released in Jap,EU! Not the US! The XB is doing absolutely ....poor... in Japan, and isn't the best console in Europe. So I don't see why Sega would deem this the best console to release the game on.
Financially it’s better for Sega to release it on either PS2, or GC. I’d say GC because I think the graphics for the game would be better than that of the game on the PS2. Also the pad would be a lot better! Also it would be better for Yu Suzuki (think I spelt that right) to release his game on either the PS2, or GC. Why? If you develop a game, especially one of the size and scope of Shenmue, you want as many people to experience your game as possible. This can’t be accomplished by releasing the game solely on the X-Box! I’m not trying to bag the X-Box or anything, I’m just stating that there isn’t wide enough spread of the X-Box! I can’t see why Sega would confine themselves to that single console! Especially in Japan!!!

Also you all comment about taking your save over from Shenmue 2 on the X-Box onto Shenmue 3. Weeeellll honestly I don’t see that being that much of a problem or an advantage. Because there was one thing I didn’t like about Shenmue 2 that I did about Shenmue 1 and which I thought was going to be a major part of the game.
In Shenmue 1 you had a feeling, a sense, that you had to train up Ryo. You went to places like the Park, the Dojo, the other park with the old man at, or the carpark, and you could practise all your moves, and thus improve the stats etc of your character. In Shenmue 2 I didn’t have this feeling. You just felt that the fighting or training up of your character wasn’t that much of a major aspect to the game. Some may feel differently, but that was my opinion. I’m not saying Shenmue 2 was a bad game either, the Shenmue series is one of my favourite games of all time I’d say. The story and characters are just so well thoughtout and done, that it just makes it a fantastic game.

So in all honestly I hope Shenmue 3 gets release on GC, maybe even on XB! I want as many people to be able to experience this game as possible. Something I can’t see happening if confined to the XB.

:)
Sat 24/08/02 at 09:42
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I agree with Cooky, I liked disc 4: Shenhua singing her haunting song near the mountain cave beneath the starry night sky; the field of swirling chrysanthemums - beautiful stuff.... But the whole game was cool: beating the cr@p out of Ren's henchmen was another highlight.

Shenmue III had better be on the XBOX! If Shenmue IIx sells well, then I'm sure it will be, and an XBOX exclusive to boot.
The release day of Shenmue III will be a day to remember.... :)
Sat 24/08/02 at 00:01
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I agree with you Console_Kid and I think you sounded reasonable in the comment you just made. Lets be honest, the PS2 could not handle a top end version of Shenmue 3, this is not a pop shot at the console as I used to own one and the graphics in MGS2 alone show what it is capable of, but the Shenmue games do not have simple interfaces and they go a lot deaper than good character models. The Shenmues on the Dreamcast contain some of if not the best (bar a few Xbox titles) graphics I have ever seen in a video-game and I know a couple of my friends who own Dreamcasts and GameCubes/Xboxs that are in agreement with what I am saying. Shenmue is only disliked by gamers who are ignorant to see past the average kick, punch and kill style games, that may sound like an insult to the few that don't like the game, but the story behind the Shenmue games is something that only a few other titles have even touched on. If AM2 decided to release the game on other consoles then why aren't they releasing Shenmue 2 on anything bar the Xbox? The developers are hoping to carry over the save from Shenmue 2X onto Shenmue 3 according to sources around the internet.

The Shenmue series deserves all the credit that it gets, bar Deus Ex, Half Life, Max Payne and Halo I can't remember a game that immersed me from the opening and kept my interest throughout the whole of the game. At the moment there are so many games that I am anticipating on the Xbox that it would be un-fair to say that Shenmue 2X and Shenmue 3 are my most anticipated titles, but I can safely assure you that they are up there in my top 10! As I have said before I can't wait for Shenmue 3 and waiting for the stroy to continue is nearly killing me (slight exhageration) but that is the best selling point that I could give Yo Suzuki and the AM2 team because the series is honestly that good!
Fri 23/08/02 at 23:44
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To be honest I HOPE its XBox exclusive..... none of us can deny the fact that one of the reasons Shenmue is a famouse game is becaue of its excellent graphics! And XBox is the only console that can really do Shenmue 3 justice! I dont want to see dodgy ports to all console, XBox can do soo much more, but only graphically, I want to see Shenmue 3 done well and if we are told that we could be seeing graphics like the Final Fantasy film on XBox, then Shenmue 3 should look amazing, if it has to be ported to Gamecube and Playstation 2 Shenmue jsut wont be able to stretch its legs, I hope everyone understnads what I am saying, im not puuting down all the other consoles (after all my brother owns a PS2) but Im saying that XBox is simply the best console for it..... best graphics to live up to the Shenmue promise of grounbreaking effects, and also the harddrive allowing for EVEN BIGGER areas with low loading times.... its also the fact that the XBox controller is very similar is layout to the Dreamcast controller which will make it easier for DC fans tog et used to and will work best for the QTE!

I think that if everyone is honest and remains neutral about consoles... everyone would pick XBox, it just makes sense, I dont favour any console at all, but I just want to see the best comming out of the Shenmue series, I dont want it on every console just to make everyoen happy, I want Shenmue 3 to be groundbreaking in terms of graphics and size!!!!
Fri 23/08/02 at 23:12
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Congrats Cooky but you do disappoint me. Disc 4 nearly bored me to death and although it didn't spoil what I would class as the greatest game I have ever played (before that Shenmue 1 had the title) it certainly didn't appeal to my better nature. On Disc 4 I thought there would be a lot of action and fighting with Lan Di's men in the village, but instead there was a soppy (yet very beautiful and graphically breath-taking) ending where I spent my time jumping rocks and collecting fire wood. The very end of the game was entriguing (especially the speech made by Ryo at the very end) and for those who haven't played this game, you don't know what you are missing out on! I can't wait for Shenmue 3 but as Gamezfreak said it is more likely to become an Xbox exclusive as they are using Shenmue 2X as a stepping stone where moves can be carried on into Shenmue 3 (like Shenmue and Shenmue 2 on the Dreamcast). As soon as SR get Shenmue 3 in stock and as soon as the game is confirmed I will be putting in my pre-order!

For anyone who is reading this and doesn't have a Dreamcast, do what I did and go out to purchase one just so that you can play these games! Even though I have completed Shenmue 2 twice on the Dreamcast I will be getting 2X on the Xbox (even just for a few extras and english speech), apparently they are going to see how well Shenmue 2X is going to do before they set a release date for Shenmue 3, but by the response that I have read around the internet and magazines, this could well be the game that sells more copies than Halo! I can't wait.
Fri 23/08/02 at 19:07
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Cooky wrote:
> It better NOT be an X-Box exclusive or I'll cry!

It most likely will be, Both Shenmue 2 and 3 are xbox bound.

I'm looking forward to playing them on my xbox :)
Fri 23/08/02 at 19:05
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Finally completed Shenmue 2 today!

I was getting a bit bored of it by the end of the third disk, but the 4th disk more than made up for it! It was so beautiful and a fantastic finish to the game!

I just want to play Shenmue 3 NOW!!!

It better NOT be an X-Box exclusive or I'll cry!

:)

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