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Thu 25/07/02 at 11:22
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The whole concept of difficulty levels in games is to offer a challenge. When you need skill, speed and knowledge to complete something, not just button-bashing skills. While a game can be incredibly simple to finish on easy, it could be almost impossible on the legendary setting. Difficulty levels are pointless though. Games are meant to be fun, and if you're literally screaming and pulling your hair out at something which is just too hard, you definitely AREN'T having fun.

I bought Maximo upon release earlier in the year. Supposedly amazing because it had a prequel, although I think this is just an unfounded way to make it look good. One thing which ran solid in Maximo and its spiritual predecessor was the challenge rating. They were both awefully hard. As I said, I bought the game, not because it was the spiritual successor to ghosts 'n' gouls (or whatever its called), but because it was a platformer not designed for a five year old or with a difficulty setting to match. Guess what? The next week it went back to the shop.

Because games like this, which rely on players' skill rather than just letting them have fun do not work. I do not buy games for frustration, but all too often I see games trying to extend their lifespan through difficulty levels. They aren't good. Sure, it can be a laugh in games like Halo to just have the crap beaten out of you, but in all seriousness, in this game only frustration and edginess result from playing the game in hard difficulties.

The simplest games, without difficulty levels are the best. Tetris. Probably the simplest game around. No difficulty levels as such, but an ever increasing speed which results in needing quick relexes. And the game ends if you can't keep up. It's simple. You don't start a game at speed 1 and play until you just make a mistake. You start at speed 1 and the game gradually builds up the challenge until its about 9. Games like this are good - they guide the player in gently, then allow them to devise various methods to cope with the difficulty curve.

So why then do developers see the need to include five different difficulty levels. It is just to increase the lifespan, but it makes the game less fun. A game like Maximo which is devilishly hard can't be fun because it is too stressful. Games are only fun when you can play them an not have to worry about anything. "Oh dear, only five minutes on the clock". "Oh no, I only have one health cookie left". Tension doesn't mean fun, but stress.

And this is why I think the best games don't rely on various difficulty levels. A challenge is great, in the way Tetris does it, but merely giving enemies more health, faster reflexes or less armour doesn't work. I can't see how somebody can have fun playing MGS2 on the hardest difficulty, nor can I see somebody not have fun in GTA3 killing innocent pedestrians. Not gun toting one shot kills people, but no-consequence bystanders.

A good game has to be fun. It shouldn't have harder enemies, but harder objectives. It shouldn't rely on difficulty levels, but have a well balanced curve which continues to stretch a player, but not too far. Fun games, most of all, have to contain gameplay which is fun, and more often than not the case is just to lengthen the enemies' lifebars.
Thu 25/07/02 at 20:58
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"[SE] Acetrooper"
Posts: 2,527
Insane Bartender wrote:
> I disagree completely, I play games specifically for challenge,
> especially those on my PC.
>
> Bring on "legendary mode" on whatever game, bring on
> "insane AI" on starcraft, bring on starting Tetris on level
> 9 and banking on the ability to hit the ground running rather than
> having fat warning of accelerating block speeds.
>
> Bring it on, I can take whatever you've got to give, and I can give as
> good as I get. Challenge me, push me to my limits, and take me beoynd
> them. I am limited by nothing.

You want a challeneg do you, Mr Insanity? Eh?!

Well, just try completing Super Monkey Ball on Expert without using a continue!
Just try it! *Shocky starts to sound quite hysterical*

It is impossible.
Thu 25/07/02 at 11:30
"Darkness, always"
Posts: 9,603
I disagree completely, I play games specifically for challenge, especially those on my PC.

Bring on "legendary mode" on whatever game, bring on "insane AI" on starcraft, bring on starting Tetris on level 9 and banking on the ability to hit the ground running rather than having fat warning of accelerating block speeds.

Bring it on, I can take whatever you've got to give, and I can give as good as I get. Challenge me, push me to my limits, and take me beoynd them. I am limited by nothing.
Thu 25/07/02 at 11:22
Regular
"¬_¬"
Posts: 3,110
The whole concept of difficulty levels in games is to offer a challenge. When you need skill, speed and knowledge to complete something, not just button-bashing skills. While a game can be incredibly simple to finish on easy, it could be almost impossible on the legendary setting. Difficulty levels are pointless though. Games are meant to be fun, and if you're literally screaming and pulling your hair out at something which is just too hard, you definitely AREN'T having fun.

I bought Maximo upon release earlier in the year. Supposedly amazing because it had a prequel, although I think this is just an unfounded way to make it look good. One thing which ran solid in Maximo and its spiritual predecessor was the challenge rating. They were both awefully hard. As I said, I bought the game, not because it was the spiritual successor to ghosts 'n' gouls (or whatever its called), but because it was a platformer not designed for a five year old or with a difficulty setting to match. Guess what? The next week it went back to the shop.

Because games like this, which rely on players' skill rather than just letting them have fun do not work. I do not buy games for frustration, but all too often I see games trying to extend their lifespan through difficulty levels. They aren't good. Sure, it can be a laugh in games like Halo to just have the crap beaten out of you, but in all seriousness, in this game only frustration and edginess result from playing the game in hard difficulties.

The simplest games, without difficulty levels are the best. Tetris. Probably the simplest game around. No difficulty levels as such, but an ever increasing speed which results in needing quick relexes. And the game ends if you can't keep up. It's simple. You don't start a game at speed 1 and play until you just make a mistake. You start at speed 1 and the game gradually builds up the challenge until its about 9. Games like this are good - they guide the player in gently, then allow them to devise various methods to cope with the difficulty curve.

So why then do developers see the need to include five different difficulty levels. It is just to increase the lifespan, but it makes the game less fun. A game like Maximo which is devilishly hard can't be fun because it is too stressful. Games are only fun when you can play them an not have to worry about anything. "Oh dear, only five minutes on the clock". "Oh no, I only have one health cookie left". Tension doesn't mean fun, but stress.

And this is why I think the best games don't rely on various difficulty levels. A challenge is great, in the way Tetris does it, but merely giving enemies more health, faster reflexes or less armour doesn't work. I can't see how somebody can have fun playing MGS2 on the hardest difficulty, nor can I see somebody not have fun in GTA3 killing innocent pedestrians. Not gun toting one shot kills people, but no-consequence bystanders.

A good game has to be fun. It shouldn't have harder enemies, but harder objectives. It shouldn't rely on difficulty levels, but have a well balanced curve which continues to stretch a player, but not too far. Fun games, most of all, have to contain gameplay which is fun, and more often than not the case is just to lengthen the enemies' lifebars.

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