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Mon 10/06/02 at 13:18
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It amazes me every time I see someone say how the Gamecube is kewl because it is 'small and portable', and that none of the other consoles are. What planet are you on?
Every console is portable. PCs with their monitors and cables are not portable, but consoles are. The fact that the Gamecube is marginally smaller than other consoles does not mean it's the only portable console - it means it is marginally smaller, and that's all. They are all still very portable.

You seem to class the smallest console as the only console that is portable.

It's like saying only cars that can go over 200mph can move.

What will you lot say when someone releases a console that is smaller than the Gamecube? Will the Gamecube all of a sudden not be portable, just like the Xbox and PS2 now? The Dreamcast was also very small, yet no-one claimed that as a selling point. Why not? Because it already had enough selling points that were much more valid - first 128-bit console, only console with working online games, first true next-gen console etc. etc.

The Dreamcast didn't need half-@rsed pointless and trivial selling points like 'it's so small you can take it anywhere!' because that is true of ALL consoles.

Perhaps the fact that Nintendo fans claim the size of the console makes it portable or not and then claim this as a selling point should not come as a surprise, as the majority of Nintendo fans are aged to suit the console? If Nintendo build a console to look like a dinky toy, and then make games to suit my little sisters, I suppose they can't complain when their fan-base is so young that they come up with lame positive points like the size of the console.

Step over the the Microsoft, Sony or Sega forums and you see things like 'specifications' and 'hardware' being talked about. This is because these are in fact adult consoles. No-one expects Nintendo fans to care about such things, as they are too obsessed with their cutesy little fluffy game characters to notice 'frame rate' or 'polygon count', but what they DO expect is that you appreciate that some people actually care about the POWER inside their console, and not just if it's small enough to fit down your Jap's eye or not.

At the end of the day if you lot want to sit there and get erections over your small consoles then you can do that, but don't try using it as a reason behind 'mine is better than yours' as it just makes you look stupid.
How many people have been unable to take their Xbox to another room because it was too big? None. Do you hang your Gamecubes on your eye-lashes to play on it, or do you stick it under your TV, exactly where you would stick an Xbox? How many people can take their Gamecube to places an Xbox cannot go? None. Why is this? Because SIZE DOESN'T MATTER.
Tue 18/06/02 at 16:03
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Posts: 11,875
Gar-J wrote:
>
>
> Also what is your obsession with masturbation?
>
> This stems from seeing every Ninty doing this over their GC.

So...what? Your a pervert or something? If you can find one post from a GC owner saying they do this I'll give you a tenner.

> And another thing, how many bloody times am I going to have to tell
> you, "Graphics and raw power mean nothing!"
>
> You would of course say that since your console is the least powerful
> of all. If your console was the most powerful, power and graphics
> would mean a hell of a lot to you, 'you stupid little man'.

Actually I think you'll find the PS2 is the least powerful console, heh, you don't even know basic facts! And if the GC was the most powerful, I would still rather talk about the games and game-play than scream "RAW POWER" at everyone who says the X-box has better power, but the GC has better games.
Tue 18/06/02 at 16:02
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Posts: 402
Whitestripes wrote:
> In many posts outside of this one, as well as this one. I've argued
> against many people about things in other topics, sometimes I have
> been wrong, and accepted that. An example of that is in this topic, I
> didn't think that the X-box had any original games, but Savatt listed
> some, and I've accepted that.

> If you thought the grass was blue you wouldn't accept that it was
> green if God himself told you! And I don't really want to use this
> argument but I must. If you want your damn 'facts' then here they
> are:
>
> X-box has the greatest raw power
> The PS2 is the least advanced, but is still selling more than the
> X-box
> The GameCube is out-selling the X-box by shed loads.
> X-box has sold the least out of all the consoles ever, from Nintendo,
> Sega and Sony.

Ok, for the 51,000th time, sales DO NOT make a better machine. I asked a few days ago what would it mean if I went into a shop and bought 10 dogshits and 1 GC. Would that make a dogshit 10 times better than a GC? No, it would mean 9 more dogshits were sold than a GC, and that's all it would mean.
The GC is a lot cheaper, so of COURSE it is going to sell more.

Your complete lack of intelligence in failing to see this even though I have stated it time and time again really does astonish me.

A chimp could understand.

> Theres your facts, and theres you proof that the GameCube is a better
> console than the X-box, and the PS2 is the best console out of them
> all.

Oh dear, here we go again. So, the PS2 is 'better' than a GC cos it has sold more? That's officially your view? Could it be that the PS2 has sold more simply because it has been out for longer?


> And the best part? No matter what you say, you cannot argue against
> this! The simple fact is, way, way more people prefer other consoles
> to the X-box.

Maybe so, but that isn't my argument. So carry on with your sales figures until you die (which will be soon if God has any mercy), because it's irrelevant. The WHOLE point is that the Xbox is technically superior, has games that are just as good, and is therefore overall the better machine.

Where, oh WHERE do you see sales coming in there?

> The only way you can argue against this, is by saying
> that in your opinion the X-box is the best for you.

I'm not going to say either console is best for me. I have said before I am not biased. I'm just looking at it from an un-biased point of view. Yes, the GC has sold more. So what? All that means is that there are more poeple in the country who would rather spend less on a console. You pay for what you get though, which when you bear in mind the hardware that is featured inside Microsoft's machine, you (or at least people with half a brain) begin to understand why.

> Well not going there at all, is better than going there and starting
> ioditic, newbie-ish spam topics like this one!

How is this a spam topic? Simply because it attempts to burst the little bubble of blind imagination that you live in, where the sun shines out of Nintendo's back-side, I am starting a spam topic?

I see.

Or, could it be simply that you are an idiot, and incapable of understanding even the simplest of English sentenses?

> You've also, once again, avoided the point of my post!

Ok I will humour you here. What completely irrelevant point were you trying to make then?

> So you can't argue against my point?

You can't fight what isn't there.
Tue 18/06/02 at 15:58
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Posts: 11,875
Gar-J wrote:
> Strafex wrote:
> Gar-J wrote:
>
> d) Come here and tell me that all Nintendo games are original -
> they're not - they're updates of SNES and N64 games.
>
>
> Nope. Some are updates (in which case the N64 was original! :-P)
> while
> others, like Pikmin and Luigi's Mansion, are among the most original
> games in the world.
>
> Pikmin, especially, is fantastic. A little short but great while it
> lasts!
>
> Fair enough. Just so happens that those types of games aren't up my
> street... and a gaming idea doesn't make the host console the best
> either, Amigo. :oP


Christ, you just have a problem. I said the same thing as Strafex earlier, and you just had a go at me with your lame insults. But now, suddenly, your accepting it from someone else? The reason? You don't like me because I have better arguments.
Tue 18/06/02 at 15:55
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Posts: 11,875
Gar-J wrote:
>
>
> Compared to 168, yes, 126 is rather poor. :o)

If you can prove you have an IQ of 168 I will give you everything i own.

>
> I don't have a go at just anyone who posts, no. I have a go at people
> who:
> a) Take my posts, twist them, ignore vital areas and then reply to
> what they have conjured up.

Funny, you've been doing that too all my posts..

> b) Decide I have said something which I have not, and then reply to
> that.

Well you couldn't do that if you tried, you decied you were going to post a crap topic here, and you keep posting more crap.

> c) Come here telling me that power is not important, ONLY because
> their console is the least powerful.

Oh my God, how thick do you want to be? The GameCube is the second most powerful console in the world!

> d) Come here and tell me that all Nintendo games are original -
> they're not - they're updates of SNES and N64 games.

I only listed the original ones: Luigi's Mansion, Animal Crossing and Pikmin. The others I listed later as examples of old games Nintendo try to put a new twist to.

> e) Come here and tell me the GC is 'better' than anything else cos
> it's selling more - that has more to do with the low price of the
> console.

Bollards, and you know it.

> f) Slate me for criticising you on m@sturbating about the small size
> of the GC, saying you don't care. A quick glance in the Sony/Microsoft
> forums says otherwise.

I just had a quick glance in the Sony forum, not one single spam topic there at all, you pillock.

>
> And that's it. If people came on here and actually talk out of their
> mouth and not their @rse (whitestripes, you reading this?), then I'd
> be as pleasant as can be. :o)

Again, thats bollards, you just don't like me because I can succesfully argue against you.
Tue 18/06/02 at 15:53
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Posts: 9,848
Gar-J wrote:
> Strafex wrote:
> Gar-J wrote:

> Fair enough. Just so happens that those types of games aren't up my
> street... and a gaming idea doesn't make the host console the best
> either, Amigo. :oP

Hmmm...

I didn't think that Pikmin was up my street until I played it...

Anyway, if the minds who came up with these ideas are working exclusively for the Gamecube, that obviously a plus for future games.
Microsoft themselves are as imaginative as a worker Ant - great for making complex systems but when it comes to game design, the word excitement hardly jumps to mind.

Having said that, they've had the good business sense to buy out some decent companies, like Bungie, and have encouraged the likes of Sega to come up with some neat ideas for their console, but I don't think that quite competes with Nintendo and Rare, especially when Sega are making games for the GC too.
Tue 18/06/02 at 15:50
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"l33t cs50r"
Posts: 2,956
Whitestripes wrote:
> I got this from a topic in prime:
>
> "My brothers father in-law is currently benchmarking all three
> processors from PS2. GC and XBOX at Oxford University... will have the
> results soon (he's into odd stuff like that, in fact you'd probably
> get on well toghether in a geeky kind of way), But he has already
> assured me that though the GC's processor clocks at 450 odd, it is
> capable of running a twice the speed (900Mhz) without any
> modification... he did explain the ins and outs but basically the tiny
> little box can be pushed beyond the specs people have been told and
> that 450 was an early figure... I'll post his results when I get
> them..."

Ah.. that was my reply to Tubonutter on a completely unrelated subject, and irrelevant to this thread. Unfortunately we're both into geeky stuff like this, and this comment was from a purley academic standpoint as I really could care which box did what as long as I'm happy with my choice... I couldn't care if the neighbours rabbit had a higher poly count or if my wifes blender could process faster than any of these, as long as it makes me happy, I'm happy...




>
> Also what is your obsession with masturbation?
>
> And another thing, how many bloody times am I going to have to tell
> you, "Graphics and raw power mean nothing!"
>
> Have you got that yet? I've mentioned it a few times already, lets go
> over it again:
>
> "Graphics and raw power mean nothing!"
>
> "Graphics and raw power mean nothing!"
>
> "Graphics and raw power mean nothing!"
>
> "Graphics and raw power mean nothing!"
>
> "Graphics and raw power mean nothing!"
>
> "Graphics and raw power mean nothing!"
>
> "Graphics and raw power mean nothing!"
>
> "Graphics and raw power mean nothing!"
>
> "Graphics and raw power mean nothing!"
>
> "Graphics and raw power mean nothing!"
>
> "Graphics and raw power mean nothing!"
>
> "Graphics and raw power mean nothing!"
>
> "Graphics and raw power mean nothing!"
>
> This is of course, when comparing a GC and X-box, because the
> graphical difference is so slight you probably won't notice it. The
> only thing that matters when comparing the GC and X-box is the
> game-play of the games, and here the GC wins hands down.
>
> Ahhhh....I can already see your reply now....
Tue 18/06/02 at 15:48
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Posts: 9,848
Gar-J wrote:

>
> What is the point in that? Well done if the GC can be overclocked to
> 900mhz, but who is actually going to do that? Any chip can be
> overclocked, but how many people actually do it?
> Secondly, if you were to overclock a GC you would see that UNLIKE with
> a PC, the game's frame-rate would not be smoother. You wouldn't get
> less slow-down. Instead, the game would play at TWICE the speed. It
> would be like playing a game that is on fast forward, which NO-ONE
> will want to do!

I think you missed the idea.

He said that WITHOUT modification (so all Gamecubes can do it without being touched), the Gamecube's clock speed can be doubled.
I'm not sure how but I guess that it would take software to do so.

Therefore, only games that "triggered" this change in clock speed would go twice as fast and their code would be optimised accordingly.



Having said that, I've not heard anything about increasing the GC's processing speed...
Tue 18/06/02 at 15:47
Regular
Posts: 11,875
Gar-J wrote:
>
>
> Where the f*f**k have you made intelligent comments? Where have you come
> to accept anything? You're still arguing about points that were
> cleared up about 5 posts ago. What a d*f**k you truly are.

In many posts outside of this one, as well as this one. I've argued against many people about things in other topics, sometimes I have been wrong, and accepted that. An example of that is in this topic, I didn't think that the X-box had any original games, but Savatt listed some, and I've accepted that.


>
> However, I must admit that you are right - I must be stubborn. Sat
> here refusing to swallow your blind b*llshit and Nintendo propaganda
> is so stubborn of me. I should be greeting it with open arms and I
> should forget stuff like 'facts', 'proof' and 'specifications'.

If you thought the grass was blue you wouldn't accept that it was green if God himself told you! And I don't really want to use this argument but I must. If you want your damn 'facts' then here they are:

X-box has the greatest raw power
The PS2 is the least advanced, but is still selling more than the X-box
The GameCube is out-selling the X-box by shed loads.
X-box has sold the least out of all the consoles ever, from Nintendo, Sega and Sony.

Theres your facts, and theres you proof that the GameCube is a better console than the X-box, and the PS2 is the best console out of them all.
And the best part? No matter what you say, you cannot argue against this! The simple fact is, way, way more people prefer other consoles to the X-box. The only way you can argue against this, is by saying that in your opinion the X-box is the best for you. But seeing as you've disregarded all opinions so far I shall disregard that as well.

>
> Okay so I haven't looked in the Sony forum (ever) and the Microsoft
> forum (recently), but why would I?
>
> Exactly. Why would you when you are just a blind Ninty that doesn't
> know, understand or care what else is going on in the world?

Well not going there at all, is better than going there and starting ioditic, newbie-ish spam topics like this one!

>
> You've also, once again, avoided the point of my post! I now
> sincerly
> beleive that you are stupid and can't understand what I was saying,
> as
> you have failed to respond to it properly, instead focusing on
> something that was very small and I only mention briefly, such as
> how
> I, personally, haven't seen anyone say the GC is better because it's
> smaller.

> Please end your life. You are a burden on those around you, and even
> those who are not.

So you can't argue against my point? Thats what I thought all along. You've made about 5-6 posts since that post I am referring to, and each time you've failed to argue against it, instead just making a pathetic jab at me. If we were in court and this was for murder, you would have been convicted by now. You have shown conclusive proof that you absolutly *cannot* argue aginst my point, and have resorted to petty insults. Congratulations.
Tue 18/06/02 at 15:45
Regular
Posts: 402
Strafex wrote:
> Gar-J wrote:
>
> d) Come here and tell me that all Nintendo games are original -
> they're not - they're updates of SNES and N64 games.
>
>
> Nope. Some are updates (in which case the N64 was original! :-P) while
> others, like Pikmin and Luigi's Mansion, are among the most original
> games in the world.
>
> Pikmin, especially, is fantastic. A little short but great while it
> lasts!

Fair enough. Just so happens that those types of games aren't up my street... and a gaming idea doesn't make the host console the best either, Amigo. :oP
Tue 18/06/02 at 15:44
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Posts: 9,848
Gar-J wrote:

> d) Come here and tell me that all Nintendo games are original -
> they're not - they're updates of SNES and N64 games.


Nope. Some are updates (in which case the N64 was original! :-P) while others, like Pikmin and Luigi's Mansion, are among the most original games in the world.

Pikmin, especially, is fantastic. A little short but great while it lasts!

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