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A post today by Ant and the discussion that followed started me thinking.
And I got my R1 Dogma DVD today and sat and watched it. Now for those of you that haven’t seen it, it’s about two angels that potentially can unmake creation.
Kevin Smith who wrote and directed it came under a lot of flak from Catholic and Christian groups when it was released, to the extent of receiving death threats from fundamentalists. (Christians that kill…there’s a concept I can’t find funnier).
But those people missed the point, Smith is very pro-religion, having been raised a Catholic.
And several points he makes in the film are written with the knowledge of a true theologian, you have to understand the ideas before you can satarise them.
So, here are some ideas/points he raises in the movie that I can’t put any better but speak about what’s wrong with a lot of religious beliefs these days.
Now I must point out I’m not attacking religion/religious people for one instant, these are just interesting questions/points raised I’d like to get the opinions of those that are religious on the ideas raised in the film:
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Azrael:
Human, have you ever been to hell? I think not. Do you know that once Hell was nothing more than the absence of God? And if you’ve ever been in his presence, then you’d realise that’s punishment enough. But then your kind came along – and made it so much worse.
Bethany:
Humans aren’t capable of one hundredth the evil a demon like you is.
Azrael:
Evil is an abstract! It’s a human construct! But true to his irresponsible nature, man wont own up to being it’s engineer, so he blames his dark deeds on my ilk. But his selfishness is limitless, and it’s not enough for him to shadow his own existence. No – he turned Hell into a suffering pit – fire, wailing, darkness, the kind of place anyone would do anything to get out of.
And why?
Because he lacks the ability to forgive himself.
It is beyond your abilities to simply make personal recompense for the sins you commit. No – you choose rather to create a psychodrama and dwell in a foundless belief that God could never forgive your “grievous offenses” So you bring your guilt and inner-decay with you to Hell – where the horrid imaginations of so many gluttons-for-punishment gave birth to the sickness that has infected the abyss since the first one of your kind arrived there, begging to be “punished”.
And in doing so, they’re transformed the cold and solitude to pain and misery. I’ve spent eons privy to the flames, inhaling the decay, hearing the wail of the damned. I know what effect such horrors have on the delicate psyche of an angelic being!
Rufus:
God’s only real beef with mankind is the factioning of all the religions. He said humanity got it all wrong by taking a good idea and building a belief structure on it.
Bethany:
You’re saying having beliefs is a bad thing?
Rufus:
I think it’s better to have ideas. You can change ideas. Changing a belief is trickier. Life should be mallable, but beliefs anchor you to certain points and limit growth – new ideas cant generate and life becomes stagnant. That’s something else that bugs Christ – still life. He wants everyone to be as enthralled with living as He was.
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Thoughts on the above?
And I got my R1 Dogma DVD today and sat and watched it. Now for those of you that haven’t seen it, it’s about two angels that potentially can unmake creation.
Kevin Smith who wrote and directed it came under a lot of flak from Catholic and Christian groups when it was released, to the extent of receiving death threats from fundamentalists. (Christians that kill…there’s a concept I can’t find funnier).
But those people missed the point, Smith is very pro-religion, having been raised a Catholic.
And several points he makes in the film are written with the knowledge of a true theologian, you have to understand the ideas before you can satarise them.
So, here are some ideas/points he raises in the movie that I can’t put any better but speak about what’s wrong with a lot of religious beliefs these days.
Now I must point out I’m not attacking religion/religious people for one instant, these are just interesting questions/points raised I’d like to get the opinions of those that are religious on the ideas raised in the film:
---
Azrael:
Human, have you ever been to hell? I think not. Do you know that once Hell was nothing more than the absence of God? And if you’ve ever been in his presence, then you’d realise that’s punishment enough. But then your kind came along – and made it so much worse.
Bethany:
Humans aren’t capable of one hundredth the evil a demon like you is.
Azrael:
Evil is an abstract! It’s a human construct! But true to his irresponsible nature, man wont own up to being it’s engineer, so he blames his dark deeds on my ilk. But his selfishness is limitless, and it’s not enough for him to shadow his own existence. No – he turned Hell into a suffering pit – fire, wailing, darkness, the kind of place anyone would do anything to get out of.
And why?
Because he lacks the ability to forgive himself.
It is beyond your abilities to simply make personal recompense for the sins you commit. No – you choose rather to create a psychodrama and dwell in a foundless belief that God could never forgive your “grievous offenses” So you bring your guilt and inner-decay with you to Hell – where the horrid imaginations of so many gluttons-for-punishment gave birth to the sickness that has infected the abyss since the first one of your kind arrived there, begging to be “punished”.
And in doing so, they’re transformed the cold and solitude to pain and misery. I’ve spent eons privy to the flames, inhaling the decay, hearing the wail of the damned. I know what effect such horrors have on the delicate psyche of an angelic being!
Rufus:
God’s only real beef with mankind is the factioning of all the religions. He said humanity got it all wrong by taking a good idea and building a belief structure on it.
Bethany:
You’re saying having beliefs is a bad thing?
Rufus:
I think it’s better to have ideas. You can change ideas. Changing a belief is trickier. Life should be mallable, but beliefs anchor you to certain points and limit growth – new ideas cant generate and life becomes stagnant. That’s something else that bugs Christ – still life. He wants everyone to be as enthralled with living as He was.
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Thoughts on the above?
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I really wish I had a R1 DVD Player. Then I could have DVDs like this, J&SBSB and Ghost World already. I think I'll update me PS2. Probably prefer to get an XBox now they're affordable though.
Yeah it is.
One of over 100 mins of cut-scenes including:
How Jay & Silent Bob escape the gang in the stripbar and the Golgotha returns.
Top DVD and only £15.99
One of over 100 mins of cut-scenes including:
How Jay & Silent Bob escape the gang in the stripbar and the Golgotha returns.
Top DVD and only £15.99
Just a point...Is that Azrael scene a cut-scene? I remember the "human, have you ever been to hell? I think not?" line, but the rest I don't.
Damn R1 extra features.
Damn R1 extra features.
Hmmm.
True religious people don't need religion. The people that do need it take it, and exploit it.
In my opinion. I do kinda believe that religion is marked as the mind settler for people who can't face death. Instead of worrying about death... think more about life.
But as I said, the ones that do think about life and are religious, I'm sure could live just as well if we didn't know about God.
True religious people don't need religion. The people that do need it take it, and exploit it.
In my opinion. I do kinda believe that religion is marked as the mind settler for people who can't face death. Instead of worrying about death... think more about life.
But as I said, the ones that do think about life and are religious, I'm sure could live just as well if we didn't know about God.
A post today by Ant and the discussion that followed started me thinking.
And I got my R1 Dogma DVD today and sat and watched it. Now for those of you that haven’t seen it, it’s about two angels that potentially can unmake creation.
Kevin Smith who wrote and directed it came under a lot of flak from Catholic and Christian groups when it was released, to the extent of receiving death threats from fundamentalists. (Christians that kill…there’s a concept I can’t find funnier).
But those people missed the point, Smith is very pro-religion, having been raised a Catholic.
And several points he makes in the film are written with the knowledge of a true theologian, you have to understand the ideas before you can satarise them.
So, here are some ideas/points he raises in the movie that I can’t put any better but speak about what’s wrong with a lot of religious beliefs these days.
Now I must point out I’m not attacking religion/religious people for one instant, these are just interesting questions/points raised I’d like to get the opinions of those that are religious on the ideas raised in the film:
---
Azrael:
Human, have you ever been to hell? I think not. Do you know that once Hell was nothing more than the absence of God? And if you’ve ever been in his presence, then you’d realise that’s punishment enough. But then your kind came along – and made it so much worse.
Bethany:
Humans aren’t capable of one hundredth the evil a demon like you is.
Azrael:
Evil is an abstract! It’s a human construct! But true to his irresponsible nature, man wont own up to being it’s engineer, so he blames his dark deeds on my ilk. But his selfishness is limitless, and it’s not enough for him to shadow his own existence. No – he turned Hell into a suffering pit – fire, wailing, darkness, the kind of place anyone would do anything to get out of.
And why?
Because he lacks the ability to forgive himself.
It is beyond your abilities to simply make personal recompense for the sins you commit. No – you choose rather to create a psychodrama and dwell in a foundless belief that God could never forgive your “grievous offenses” So you bring your guilt and inner-decay with you to Hell – where the horrid imaginations of so many gluttons-for-punishment gave birth to the sickness that has infected the abyss since the first one of your kind arrived there, begging to be “punished”.
And in doing so, they’re transformed the cold and solitude to pain and misery. I’ve spent eons privy to the flames, inhaling the decay, hearing the wail of the damned. I know what effect such horrors have on the delicate psyche of an angelic being!
Rufus:
God’s only real beef with mankind is the factioning of all the religions. He said humanity got it all wrong by taking a good idea and building a belief structure on it.
Bethany:
You’re saying having beliefs is a bad thing?
Rufus:
I think it’s better to have ideas. You can change ideas. Changing a belief is trickier. Life should be mallable, but beliefs anchor you to certain points and limit growth – new ideas cant generate and life becomes stagnant. That’s something else that bugs Christ – still life. He wants everyone to be as enthralled with living as He was.
--
Thoughts on the above?
And I got my R1 Dogma DVD today and sat and watched it. Now for those of you that haven’t seen it, it’s about two angels that potentially can unmake creation.
Kevin Smith who wrote and directed it came under a lot of flak from Catholic and Christian groups when it was released, to the extent of receiving death threats from fundamentalists. (Christians that kill…there’s a concept I can’t find funnier).
But those people missed the point, Smith is very pro-religion, having been raised a Catholic.
And several points he makes in the film are written with the knowledge of a true theologian, you have to understand the ideas before you can satarise them.
So, here are some ideas/points he raises in the movie that I can’t put any better but speak about what’s wrong with a lot of religious beliefs these days.
Now I must point out I’m not attacking religion/religious people for one instant, these are just interesting questions/points raised I’d like to get the opinions of those that are religious on the ideas raised in the film:
---
Azrael:
Human, have you ever been to hell? I think not. Do you know that once Hell was nothing more than the absence of God? And if you’ve ever been in his presence, then you’d realise that’s punishment enough. But then your kind came along – and made it so much worse.
Bethany:
Humans aren’t capable of one hundredth the evil a demon like you is.
Azrael:
Evil is an abstract! It’s a human construct! But true to his irresponsible nature, man wont own up to being it’s engineer, so he blames his dark deeds on my ilk. But his selfishness is limitless, and it’s not enough for him to shadow his own existence. No – he turned Hell into a suffering pit – fire, wailing, darkness, the kind of place anyone would do anything to get out of.
And why?
Because he lacks the ability to forgive himself.
It is beyond your abilities to simply make personal recompense for the sins you commit. No – you choose rather to create a psychodrama and dwell in a foundless belief that God could never forgive your “grievous offenses” So you bring your guilt and inner-decay with you to Hell – where the horrid imaginations of so many gluttons-for-punishment gave birth to the sickness that has infected the abyss since the first one of your kind arrived there, begging to be “punished”.
And in doing so, they’re transformed the cold and solitude to pain and misery. I’ve spent eons privy to the flames, inhaling the decay, hearing the wail of the damned. I know what effect such horrors have on the delicate psyche of an angelic being!
Rufus:
God’s only real beef with mankind is the factioning of all the religions. He said humanity got it all wrong by taking a good idea and building a belief structure on it.
Bethany:
You’re saying having beliefs is a bad thing?
Rufus:
I think it’s better to have ideas. You can change ideas. Changing a belief is trickier. Life should be mallable, but beliefs anchor you to certain points and limit growth – new ideas cant generate and life becomes stagnant. That’s something else that bugs Christ – still life. He wants everyone to be as enthralled with living as He was.
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Thoughts on the above?
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