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As a Manchester United fan, you can imagine my sheer joy when Spurs equalised against Arsenal this afternoon.
But what do they do, ruin the season by taking the lead and having to take first place. It could of been the most interesting season ever. but no... Arsenal have to win.
Bagger Arsenal. Bagger Spurs. Bagger Wookie. Bagger crappy refereeing. Bagger big lipped Theirry Henry.
Meh.
Bagger everything
But what do they do, ruin the season by taking the lead and having to take first place. It could of been the most interesting season ever. but no... Arsenal have to win.
Bagger Arsenal. Bagger Spurs. Bagger Wookie. Bagger crappy refereeing. Bagger big lipped Theirry Henry.
Meh.
Bagger everything
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SiLenT-Sc0pe[UK²] wrote:
Plus of all things Vieira didn't get booked!
Thats actually a good thing from a Man United view...the longer he goes without getting a yellow card the more chance there is of him being suspended for the game at Old Trafford.
Plus of all things Vieira didn't get booked!
Thats actually a good thing from a Man United view...the longer he goes without getting a yellow card the more chance there is of him being suspended for the game at Old Trafford.
Yep that was richards and it was blatant.... poyet basically miskicked and collided into Seaman.... Plus of all things Vieira didn't get booked!
I was lucky enough to talk extensivly with D'Urso (through a referee's society meeting which he attended as a guest) recently, and it really was intruiging listening to him talk about the standard of refereeing.
I respect him much more as a referee now than I did before, but unfortunately it doesn't stop me reacting badly at referees when a decision goes against my team.
I guess it's just nature, but at the end of the day, they have a damn hard job to do.
I respect him much more as a referee now than I did before, but unfortunately it doesn't stop me reacting badly at referees when a decision goes against my team.
I guess it's just nature, but at the end of the day, they have a damn hard job to do.
FiveToGo wrote:
> Yeah, I fully agree with that, but surely if those decisions were given, cards
> should have been shown?
Depends whether the ref sees it as intentional or just plain clumsiness.
> Somewhere I feel Halsey made MAJOR mistakes, be it
> by awarding penalties wrongly, or by not properly punishing the offences.
I'm sure he did, but he wouldn't be the first. Despite the introduction of 'professional' referees, as far as I'm concerned the standard of officials is in decline.
Take todays Leicester v Man U game - not picking on United, just using it as the latest example - there were some disgraceful decisions made in that by ref Andy D'Urso. A clattering challenge on Savage and play was waved on - seconds later, an almost identical challenge on a United player (can't recall who) and a free kick was given.
As I said, I'm not whinging here that refs favour United - just saying that we'll never get consistency in decisions from ref to ref and game to game, when the same ref can't make a consistent decision seconds apart in the same match.
> Yeah, I fully agree with that, but surely if those decisions were given, cards
> should have been shown?
Depends whether the ref sees it as intentional or just plain clumsiness.
> Somewhere I feel Halsey made MAJOR mistakes, be it
> by awarding penalties wrongly, or by not properly punishing the offences.
I'm sure he did, but he wouldn't be the first. Despite the introduction of 'professional' referees, as far as I'm concerned the standard of officials is in decline.
Take todays Leicester v Man U game - not picking on United, just using it as the latest example - there were some disgraceful decisions made in that by ref Andy D'Urso. A clattering challenge on Savage and play was waved on - seconds later, an almost identical challenge on a United player (can't recall who) and a free kick was given.
As I said, I'm not whinging here that refs favour United - just saying that we'll never get consistency in decisions from ref to ref and game to game, when the same ref can't make a consistent decision seconds apart in the same match.
Yeah, I fully agree with that, but surely if those decisions were given, cards should have been shown?
Somewhere I feel Halsey made MAJOR mistakes, be it by awarding penalties wrongly, or by not properly punishing the offences.
Somewhere I feel Halsey made MAJOR mistakes, be it by awarding penalties wrongly, or by not properly punishing the offences.
FiveToGo wrote:
> First off, KING!? No, that wasn't King, our beloved
> super-defender!
I thought we had Campbell now? ;-)
> Anyhow, I disagree with the point about Spurs' penalty.
> My take is, sure Poyet wasn't in possession, but you
> can't start NOT giving free-kicks/penalties just because
> someone isn't in possession. Poyet missed the ball, but
> was taken down. What if he still HAD the ball? Then
> surely it would have been a penalty.
If he had struck the ball and scored, would you have agreed if the play was called back and a penalty awarded - which could then have been saved?
Poyet had the chance to make his kick and missed, therefore he had surrendered the scoring opportunity. He would not have recovered to get the ball even without the collision. If he had struck the ball, regardless of whether he scored or missed, the collision would have occurred after that point - so no penalty.
The chance was not taken from him my foul play, but by his own mistake. You could see quite clearly that there was no intent by Seaman to take the player - there were no outstretched limbs. Both Poyet and Seaman were commited to getting the ball, and they collided - there was no more to it than that.
At the other end, Richards could not see the ball, and swung a leg across Henry, bringing him down before he had a chance to get the ball. That is a penalty.
At the end of the day, it's irrelevant - even if neither penalty was deserved, we'd still have won 1-0. :-)
> First off, KING!? No, that wasn't King, our beloved
> super-defender!
I thought we had Campbell now? ;-)
> Anyhow, I disagree with the point about Spurs' penalty.
> My take is, sure Poyet wasn't in possession, but you
> can't start NOT giving free-kicks/penalties just because
> someone isn't in possession. Poyet missed the ball, but
> was taken down. What if he still HAD the ball? Then
> surely it would have been a penalty.
If he had struck the ball and scored, would you have agreed if the play was called back and a penalty awarded - which could then have been saved?
Poyet had the chance to make his kick and missed, therefore he had surrendered the scoring opportunity. He would not have recovered to get the ball even without the collision. If he had struck the ball, regardless of whether he scored or missed, the collision would have occurred after that point - so no penalty.
The chance was not taken from him my foul play, but by his own mistake. You could see quite clearly that there was no intent by Seaman to take the player - there were no outstretched limbs. Both Poyet and Seaman were commited to getting the ball, and they collided - there was no more to it than that.
At the other end, Richards could not see the ball, and swung a leg across Henry, bringing him down before he had a chance to get the ball. That is a penalty.
At the end of the day, it's irrelevant - even if neither penalty was deserved, we'd still have won 1-0. :-)
WòókieeMøn§†€® wrote:
> Just seen the highlights.
Spurs penalty award was very dubious - Poyet missed
> the ball and collided with Seaman. Is that a penalty? I don't believe so, to
> be honest. The ref was a joke, quite frankly - giving at first a corner, then
> changing his mind to give the penalty, without consulting the linesman -
> seemingly allowing the Spurs players to decide for him.
Arsenal's penalty was
> quite blatant, with King (I think) swinging a leg right across in front of Henry
> and scything him down.
And that's not looking though Red-tinted specs -
> that's calling it as the replay showed it.
All that aside, it will be
> interesting to see if Sherwood will be suspended for 3 matches for persuing the
> ref around the pitch bellowing his disgust at the decision to give Arsenal a
> penalty...
First off, KING!? No, that wasn't King, our beloved super-defender! (or maybe not judging by recent performances) THe penalty was given away by Richards, which will come as no suprise to any Spurs fans.
He persistantly tugs on players shirts and does STUPID things like that. He was in no position to swing at the ball as he did! Thing is, it's always the same. Does Glenn not see this and then have a word with him during training?
Anyhow, I disagree with the point about Spurs' penalty. My take is, sure Poyet wasn't in possession, but you can't start NOT giving free-kicks/penalties just because someone isn't in possession. Poyet missed the ball, but was taken down. What if he still HAD the ball? Then surely it would have been a penalty.
I think Seaman was careless, and the only arguement that can be made is that the ref was indecsisive, and weak in his show of authority. He should be able to turn away from the incident having given his decision and not have to argue with players. Surely if people want to debate yellow cards should start being shown?
The referee MAY have been influenced, but it's not as if he couldn't do something about it.
Referees have power, they should begin using it a little more.
> Just seen the highlights.
Spurs penalty award was very dubious - Poyet missed
> the ball and collided with Seaman. Is that a penalty? I don't believe so, to
> be honest. The ref was a joke, quite frankly - giving at first a corner, then
> changing his mind to give the penalty, without consulting the linesman -
> seemingly allowing the Spurs players to decide for him.
Arsenal's penalty was
> quite blatant, with King (I think) swinging a leg right across in front of Henry
> and scything him down.
And that's not looking though Red-tinted specs -
> that's calling it as the replay showed it.
All that aside, it will be
> interesting to see if Sherwood will be suspended for 3 matches for persuing the
> ref around the pitch bellowing his disgust at the decision to give Arsenal a
> penalty...
First off, KING!? No, that wasn't King, our beloved super-defender! (or maybe not judging by recent performances) THe penalty was given away by Richards, which will come as no suprise to any Spurs fans.
He persistantly tugs on players shirts and does STUPID things like that. He was in no position to swing at the ball as he did! Thing is, it's always the same. Does Glenn not see this and then have a word with him during training?
Anyhow, I disagree with the point about Spurs' penalty. My take is, sure Poyet wasn't in possession, but you can't start NOT giving free-kicks/penalties just because someone isn't in possession. Poyet missed the ball, but was taken down. What if he still HAD the ball? Then surely it would have been a penalty.
I think Seaman was careless, and the only arguement that can be made is that the ref was indecsisive, and weak in his show of authority. He should be able to turn away from the incident having given his decision and not have to argue with players. Surely if people want to debate yellow cards should start being shown?
The referee MAY have been influenced, but it's not as if he couldn't do something about it.
Referees have power, they should begin using it a little more.
Just seen the highlights.
Spurs penalty award was very dubious - Poyet missed the ball and collided with Seaman. Is that a penalty? I don't believe so, to be honest. The ref was a joke, quite frankly - giving at first a corner, then changing his mind to give the penalty, without consulting the linesman - seemingly allowing the Spurs players to decide for him.
Arsenal's penalty was quite blatant, with King (I think) swinging a leg right across in front of Henry and scything him down.
And that's not looking though Red-tinted specs - that's calling it as the replay showed it.
All that aside, it will be interesting to see if Sherwood will be suspended for 3 matches for persuing the ref around the pitch bellowing his disgust at the decision to give Arsenal a penalty...
Spurs penalty award was very dubious - Poyet missed the ball and collided with Seaman. Is that a penalty? I don't believe so, to be honest. The ref was a joke, quite frankly - giving at first a corner, then changing his mind to give the penalty, without consulting the linesman - seemingly allowing the Spurs players to decide for him.
Arsenal's penalty was quite blatant, with King (I think) swinging a leg right across in front of Henry and scything him down.
And that's not looking though Red-tinted specs - that's calling it as the replay showed it.
All that aside, it will be interesting to see if Sherwood will be suspended for 3 matches for persuing the ref around the pitch bellowing his disgust at the decision to give Arsenal a penalty...
I'm really interested to know what was going through the ref's mind though.
From the radio commentary, it sounded as though his decision to give the second penalty may have been just to make things even.
Now, he may have got the first decision right, but as a referee you SHOULDN'T be able to "even things up" like that. It's just not in the benefit of the game for ref's to be able to do that.
I really hope that the second penalty wasn't given JUST to make things fairer, because that's an injustice to Spurs. Even if it WAS a penalty, I hope that it was given because the ref saw an infringement and acted on it.
From the radio commentary, it sounded as though his decision to give the second penalty may have been just to make things even.
Now, he may have got the first decision right, but as a referee you SHOULDN'T be able to "even things up" like that. It's just not in the benefit of the game for ref's to be able to do that.
I really hope that the second penalty wasn't given JUST to make things fairer, because that's an injustice to Spurs. Even if it WAS a penalty, I hope that it was given because the ref saw an infringement and acted on it.
Man U are poo.
*Runs*
:D
*Runs*
:D
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