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I am a pro console war person, I love nothing better than to argue with a fellow gamer of which console offers the best goods etc… yet there are certain variations in the way people argue that I really dislike. Now I have recently discovered a new console war fairground, the opposition console’s forum (in my case PS2 and X-box), and the majority of the opposition use facts and figures told to them by PS2 or X-box magazines/websites. In other words the majority of you lot listen to the Nintendo bashing PR (just as I hear X-box and PS2 bashing PR) all your websites and magazines subject you too, and I hate it.
There’s nothing wrong with disliking lets say the Gamecube for one reason or the other yet you’ll try and attack it for numerous reasons. When and X-box fan for example begins to criticize the Gamecube they can only do it via what they know, and being an X-box fan means that in the case of the Gamecube, not a lot. So where do these said people get their information? Yep the X-box websites and magazines, filled with as much negative Nintendo PR as possible. Lets take for example the release of Super Mario Sunshine, if someone criticizes it, which one or two people have done then an X-box website will claim the game was a major disappointment yet fail to mention from one persons point of view (as opposed to the millions that loved it). Another point about Mario Sunshine is the sales, as regards Europe websites and magazines are reporting that despite the release of Nintendo’s biggest title of the year Microsoft has in fact managed to close the gap between the two. Yet this website would fail to mention that Microsoft had in fact cut the price of the X-box just a month before hand and that Microsoft had hoped to be far ahead of Nintendo sales wise because of it, not to still be struggling behind Nintendo. And they also fail to point out that Microsoft is aiming at the same market as Sony, the bulk young teenager – adult market as opposed to Nintendo’s younger generations and specialist gamer market. The fact that Microsoft are behind Nintendo be it for the time being or not is an utter disaster because Microsoft are being trounced by their only real rival that is the Playstation 2. Yet I can’t just criticize X-box websites etc… Nintendo ones are just as bad. As regarding Mario Sunshine Nintendo websites reported that Super Mario Sunshine had sold more in its first two weeks than Microsoft’s biggest selling game Halo, Playstation 2’s biggest selling game GTA 3 and Mario 64 on the N64. Yet what they fail to point out that, despite being true, Halo hasn’t been around since the early 1980’s and that in its first two weeks it didn’t have a very large user base, as it was a launch title (the same point can be made about Mario 64). Also it failed to mention that GTA 3’s hype didn’t really get going until after its launch.
And this is why you have to be careful because when you say something you know to be true there is a spin on it you’ll, nine times out of ten, fail to realize. Naturally some companies are far better at PR than others namely Microsoft and Sony are good whilst Nintendo are bad. The Internet is a great example of this, whilst Sony have claimed they have many online plans and Microsoft are screaming about the X-box live idea, Nintendo aren’t saying a word. Many believe Nintendo are sitting and waiting, well that isn’t true because Nintendo aren’t that stupid. Nintendo are developing online titles but they won’t be ready for sometime so Nintendo aren’t saying a word, the rumor of Pokémonline and Mario Kart online proves that Nintendo have just as much potential as Microsoft in the online end with extremely promising software yet what are Nintendo’s PR people doing to reassure us that online plans are in the works? Absolutely nothing and that is one example of Nintendo’s disability at doing good PR. Another example involves system statistics. Both Microsoft and Sony confirmed they could shift X amount of polygons, this can only be done though in a cut scene when nothing else is moving in the background just the single character. Nintendo meanwhile stated they could shift Y many polygons when hundreds of other things such as motion blur, flying birds, moving scenery and characters were on the screen at the same time. Nintendo have failed to realize that they really needed to play up the Gamecube’s specs a bit more.
Specifications bring me onto yet another point about arguments; do not use specifications to argue against your friends. Yes the X-box has higher specs than the rest but they don’t have the flipper chip (yawn), something that enables ‘special effects’ like motion blur, heat haze and transparency to be implemented with the up most realism and incredibly easy. So who really cares that the Gamecube can’t push quite as many polygons? By saying that your console is the most powerful you will find that your opponent (if not me) will chip in with the flipper chip (no pun intended) fact. There are many points that need to be avoided when entering an argument, other than system specifications another is a list. Why oh why when entering an argument do we list the best and most promising games? Why as far as I’m concerned you could stuff all your ‘thirty promising titles’ up your **** and give me one Zelda game any day. Which leads me onto my fundamental point, Nintendo fans like Nintendo games. You can release 300 10/10 Halo sequels yet a Nintendo fan would rather settle for one Mario game every six years. And if you are listing games to see who has the most promising titles then that are equally pointless, are you honestly telling me Buffy The Vampire Slayer has the capability to cancel out Zelda?
When arguing you need to remember, your opponent knows his console better than you do no matter how much you insist he doesn’t. You also need to be skeptical when it comes to what popular websites and magazines tell you. For example did you know EDGE magazine rates Capcom Vs. SNK EO a really low mark because they didn’t like the new control system, yet there was an option to revert it to the old one and goes to show that even the ‘experts’ talk crap. And finally respect the fact that Nintendo fans like Nintendo because they love games like Mario and Zelda, no matter how much you think Halo is a better game.
And then let the wars commence.
Dringo.
There’s nothing wrong with disliking lets say the Gamecube for one reason or the other yet you’ll try and attack it for numerous reasons. When and X-box fan for example begins to criticize the Gamecube they can only do it via what they know, and being an X-box fan means that in the case of the Gamecube, not a lot. So where do these said people get their information? Yep the X-box websites and magazines, filled with as much negative Nintendo PR as possible. Lets take for example the release of Super Mario Sunshine, if someone criticizes it, which one or two people have done then an X-box website will claim the game was a major disappointment yet fail to mention from one persons point of view (as opposed to the millions that loved it). Another point about Mario Sunshine is the sales, as regards Europe websites and magazines are reporting that despite the release of Nintendo’s biggest title of the year Microsoft has in fact managed to close the gap between the two. Yet this website would fail to mention that Microsoft had in fact cut the price of the X-box just a month before hand and that Microsoft had hoped to be far ahead of Nintendo sales wise because of it, not to still be struggling behind Nintendo. And they also fail to point out that Microsoft is aiming at the same market as Sony, the bulk young teenager – adult market as opposed to Nintendo’s younger generations and specialist gamer market. The fact that Microsoft are behind Nintendo be it for the time being or not is an utter disaster because Microsoft are being trounced by their only real rival that is the Playstation 2. Yet I can’t just criticize X-box websites etc… Nintendo ones are just as bad. As regarding Mario Sunshine Nintendo websites reported that Super Mario Sunshine had sold more in its first two weeks than Microsoft’s biggest selling game Halo, Playstation 2’s biggest selling game GTA 3 and Mario 64 on the N64. Yet what they fail to point out that, despite being true, Halo hasn’t been around since the early 1980’s and that in its first two weeks it didn’t have a very large user base, as it was a launch title (the same point can be made about Mario 64). Also it failed to mention that GTA 3’s hype didn’t really get going until after its launch.
And this is why you have to be careful because when you say something you know to be true there is a spin on it you’ll, nine times out of ten, fail to realize. Naturally some companies are far better at PR than others namely Microsoft and Sony are good whilst Nintendo are bad. The Internet is a great example of this, whilst Sony have claimed they have many online plans and Microsoft are screaming about the X-box live idea, Nintendo aren’t saying a word. Many believe Nintendo are sitting and waiting, well that isn’t true because Nintendo aren’t that stupid. Nintendo are developing online titles but they won’t be ready for sometime so Nintendo aren’t saying a word, the rumor of Pokémonline and Mario Kart online proves that Nintendo have just as much potential as Microsoft in the online end with extremely promising software yet what are Nintendo’s PR people doing to reassure us that online plans are in the works? Absolutely nothing and that is one example of Nintendo’s disability at doing good PR. Another example involves system statistics. Both Microsoft and Sony confirmed they could shift X amount of polygons, this can only be done though in a cut scene when nothing else is moving in the background just the single character. Nintendo meanwhile stated they could shift Y many polygons when hundreds of other things such as motion blur, flying birds, moving scenery and characters were on the screen at the same time. Nintendo have failed to realize that they really needed to play up the Gamecube’s specs a bit more.
Specifications bring me onto yet another point about arguments; do not use specifications to argue against your friends. Yes the X-box has higher specs than the rest but they don’t have the flipper chip (yawn), something that enables ‘special effects’ like motion blur, heat haze and transparency to be implemented with the up most realism and incredibly easy. So who really cares that the Gamecube can’t push quite as many polygons? By saying that your console is the most powerful you will find that your opponent (if not me) will chip in with the flipper chip (no pun intended) fact. There are many points that need to be avoided when entering an argument, other than system specifications another is a list. Why oh why when entering an argument do we list the best and most promising games? Why as far as I’m concerned you could stuff all your ‘thirty promising titles’ up your **** and give me one Zelda game any day. Which leads me onto my fundamental point, Nintendo fans like Nintendo games. You can release 300 10/10 Halo sequels yet a Nintendo fan would rather settle for one Mario game every six years. And if you are listing games to see who has the most promising titles then that are equally pointless, are you honestly telling me Buffy The Vampire Slayer has the capability to cancel out Zelda?
When arguing you need to remember, your opponent knows his console better than you do no matter how much you insist he doesn’t. You also need to be skeptical when it comes to what popular websites and magazines tell you. For example did you know EDGE magazine rates Capcom Vs. SNK EO a really low mark because they didn’t like the new control system, yet there was an option to revert it to the old one and goes to show that even the ‘experts’ talk crap. And finally respect the fact that Nintendo fans like Nintendo because they love games like Mario and Zelda, no matter how much you think Halo is a better game.
And then let the wars commence.
Dringo.
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Jumpman was Mario's name in Donkey Kong. Donkey Kong was the name of the game, Jumpman was Mario's original name. He had to save his girlfriend - Pauline!
Maverick42 wrote:
> Sorry gamezfreak, as many people on this site will tell you, Donkey
> Kong was the first platformer which appeared in arcades long before
> Nintendo put it onto one of their consoles.
Jumpman was Nintendo's first game featuring Donkey Kong, then the Game & Watch series came along and development went into the Famistu (NES).
> Sorry gamezfreak, as many people on this site will tell you, Donkey
> Kong was the first platformer which appeared in arcades long before
> Nintendo put it onto one of their consoles.
Jumpman was Nintendo's first game featuring Donkey Kong, then the Game & Watch series came along and development went into the Famistu (NES).
Sorry gamezfreak, as many people on this site will tell you, Donkey Kong was the first platformer which appeared in arcades long before Nintendo put it onto one of their consoles.
Maverick42 wrote:
> How about platformers?
I remember platformers being on the spectrum. Not 3D ones mind.
> How about platformers?
I remember platformers being on the spectrum. Not 3D ones mind.
gamezfreak wrote:
> Nintendo never invented genres, just expanded on exisiting.
How about platformers?
> Did one ever come out for the Snes? Or you talking about the one for
> the N64, if so, Sony came up with that one (in the controller)
Err! Guess again. I've no idea whether or not one came out for the SNES, but it was Nintendo who brought the rumble pack out straight away for the N64. Sony followed suit soon afterwards.
> Nintendo never invented genres, just expanded on exisiting.
How about platformers?
> Did one ever come out for the Snes? Or you talking about the one for
> the N64, if so, Sony came up with that one (in the controller)
Err! Guess again. I've no idea whether or not one came out for the SNES, but it was Nintendo who brought the rumble pack out straight away for the N64. Sony followed suit soon afterwards.
Maverick42 wrote:
> How about inventing genres?
Nintendo never invented genres, just expanded on exisiting.
>The rumble pack?
Did one ever come out for the Snes? Or you talking about the one for the N64, if so, Sony came up with that one (in the controller)
> Do your research, gamezfreak.
I do.
> SEGA, in my opinion, are over-rated.
Nintendo in my opinion are over-rated.
:-)
> How about inventing genres?
Nintendo never invented genres, just expanded on exisiting.
>The rumble pack?
Did one ever come out for the Snes? Or you talking about the one for the N64, if so, Sony came up with that one (in the controller)
> Do your research, gamezfreak.
I do.
> SEGA, in my opinion, are over-rated.
Nintendo in my opinion are over-rated.
:-)
gamezfreak wrote:
> Incorrect.
>
> There were consoles before the Amiga, ALOT of Nintendo games were
> influenced by early games. Nintendo never revolutionised gaming one
> bit, they updated and exapanded on genres and thats all.
How about inventing genres? 3D gaming? Incorporating the joystick into a 3D stick? The rumble pack? Do your research, gamezfreak.
> Sega in my opinion made more great games.
SEGA, in my opinion, are over-rated.
> Incorrect.
>
> There were consoles before the Amiga, ALOT of Nintendo games were
> influenced by early games. Nintendo never revolutionised gaming one
> bit, they updated and exapanded on genres and thats all.
How about inventing genres? 3D gaming? Incorporating the joystick into a 3D stick? The rumble pack? Do your research, gamezfreak.
> Sega in my opinion made more great games.
SEGA, in my opinion, are over-rated.
gamezfreak wrote:
> Dringo wrote:
> Ah the only thing I will state that I hope everyone to agree with is
> that Nintendo make damn good games that influence nearly everything
> made to date... platformers, 3D world, D-pad, analogue stick...
> etc...
>
> Incorrect.
What was?
> There were consoles before the Amiga, ALOT of Nintendo games were
> influenced by early games. Nintendo never revolutionised gaming one
> bit, they updated and exapanded on genres and thats all.
The first console was the spectrum or something... i said platformers... as in Blinx etc... the Mario games... Donkey Kong was the first platformer, Mario 64 was the first interactive 3D world.... It is all fact you can't contradict it.
> Sega in my opinion made more great games.
What 5 minute arcade games? SEGA are awesome just haven't been the same since the 2D era.
> Dringo wrote:
> Ah the only thing I will state that I hope everyone to agree with is
> that Nintendo make damn good games that influence nearly everything
> made to date... platformers, 3D world, D-pad, analogue stick...
> etc...
>
> Incorrect.
What was?
> There were consoles before the Amiga, ALOT of Nintendo games were
> influenced by early games. Nintendo never revolutionised gaming one
> bit, they updated and exapanded on genres and thats all.
The first console was the spectrum or something... i said platformers... as in Blinx etc... the Mario games... Donkey Kong was the first platformer, Mario 64 was the first interactive 3D world.... It is all fact you can't contradict it.
> Sega in my opinion made more great games.
What 5 minute arcade games? SEGA are awesome just haven't been the same since the 2D era.
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