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As a PS2 owner I can't help but chuckle at the problem Gamecube and Xbox owners face.
There systems software more often than not are just cheap ports of PS2 games and a way of making some easily money for developers without the effort. Need for Speed is an obvious example of this while the PS2 version runs at a really fast pace the Gamecube version is hysterically slow not much good having a smart looking racer that move like a lada. The Xbox version granted is better, but still not as good as the PS2 version why is this because the game has obviously been optimised for the PS2 first and then ported over.
People that say PS2 is dead need to get there head out of the sand from what I can see there would be no reason to buy a GC or Xbox on this evidence as you pay more for clone or inferior product. That is why the PS2 continues to sell as many as Xbox and GC put together.
There systems software more often than not are just cheap ports of PS2 games and a way of making some easily money for developers without the effort. Need for Speed is an obvious example of this while the PS2 version runs at a really fast pace the Gamecube version is hysterically slow not much good having a smart looking racer that move like a lada. The Xbox version granted is better, but still not as good as the PS2 version why is this because the game has obviously been optimised for the PS2 first and then ported over.
People that say PS2 is dead need to get there head out of the sand from what I can see there would be no reason to buy a GC or Xbox on this evidence as you pay more for clone or inferior product. That is why the PS2 continues to sell as many as Xbox and GC put together.
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Dave RJR wrote:
> Like I said, clever marketing only goes so far. If loads of the games
> were poor looking, poor to play, and the PS2 was really lagging behind
> what the GC and XBox offered, people would see it. The parents, and
> the kids. This already works, for the games that are below par. Hence
> some games just are not popular, while others are.
Hmm...
Although the PS2 is a fair bit behind the Xbox and Gamecube, I suppose the difference is small enough so that the untrained eye wouldn't notice it.
That's why when the PS2 was released, people failed to see how the Dreamcast was out doing it and that's why the Dreamcast got crushed beneath the PS2's popularity which was based more or less purely on marketing and hype from the PS1.
As for casual gamers spotting below-par games, with the sales of games like "Simpsons Wrestling", "Who Wants To Be A Millionnaire" and every Fifa game, I'd be right in saying that they let the marketing/franchise decide the perchase rather than a sure test of quality.
> Like I said, clever marketing only goes so far. If loads of the games
> were poor looking, poor to play, and the PS2 was really lagging behind
> what the GC and XBox offered, people would see it. The parents, and
> the kids. This already works, for the games that are below par. Hence
> some games just are not popular, while others are.
Hmm...
Although the PS2 is a fair bit behind the Xbox and Gamecube, I suppose the difference is small enough so that the untrained eye wouldn't notice it.
That's why when the PS2 was released, people failed to see how the Dreamcast was out doing it and that's why the Dreamcast got crushed beneath the PS2's popularity which was based more or less purely on marketing and hype from the PS1.
As for casual gamers spotting below-par games, with the sales of games like "Simpsons Wrestling", "Who Wants To Be A Millionnaire" and every Fifa game, I'd be right in saying that they let the marketing/franchise decide the perchase rather than a sure test of quality.
Dave RJR wrote:
> Boss_Pac_Man2 wrote:
> Dave RJR wrote:
> If PS2 and it's games were that bad, people would see it and not buy
> it. Clever marketing will only go so far - mind U Nintendo and MS
> could do with some of that.
>
> no, i dont think they would. the majority of PS2 buyers are parents
> or
> kids that see it as the cool console and don't think much why they
> want to buy it.
>
> Like I said, clever marketing only goes so far. If loads of the games
> were poor looking, poor to play, and the PS2 was really lagging behind
> what the GC and XBox offered, people would see it. The parents, and
> the kids. This already works, for the games that are below par. Hence
> some games just are not popular, while others are.
rubbish. parents don't know bo11ocks about games, so thats one of your points deflated, and kids arn't at all that clever. teens and adult would at least take a look at all tree consoles and think:
'I like that game, and that, but i like that one to. i think i'll go for gamecube.'
so your arguement on how good the PS2 is is flawed.
> Boss_Pac_Man2 wrote:
> Dave RJR wrote:
> If PS2 and it's games were that bad, people would see it and not buy
> it. Clever marketing will only go so far - mind U Nintendo and MS
> could do with some of that.
>
> no, i dont think they would. the majority of PS2 buyers are parents
> or
> kids that see it as the cool console and don't think much why they
> want to buy it.
>
> Like I said, clever marketing only goes so far. If loads of the games
> were poor looking, poor to play, and the PS2 was really lagging behind
> what the GC and XBox offered, people would see it. The parents, and
> the kids. This already works, for the games that are below par. Hence
> some games just are not popular, while others are.
rubbish. parents don't know bo11ocks about games, so thats one of your points deflated, and kids arn't at all that clever. teens and adult would at least take a look at all tree consoles and think:
'I like that game, and that, but i like that one to. i think i'll go for gamecube.'
so your arguement on how good the PS2 is is flawed.
Boss_Pac_Man2 wrote:
> Dave RJR wrote:
> If PS2 and it's games were that bad, people would see it and not buy
> it. Clever marketing will only go so far - mind U Nintendo and MS
> could do with some of that.
>
> no, i dont think they would. the majority of PS2 buyers are parents or
> kids that see it as the cool console and don't think much why they
> want to buy it.
Like I said, clever marketing only goes so far. If loads of the games were poor looking, poor to play, and the PS2 was really lagging behind what the GC and XBox offered, people would see it. The parents, and the kids. This already works, for the games that are below par. Hence some games just are not popular, while others are.
> Dave RJR wrote:
> If PS2 and it's games were that bad, people would see it and not buy
> it. Clever marketing will only go so far - mind U Nintendo and MS
> could do with some of that.
>
> no, i dont think they would. the majority of PS2 buyers are parents or
> kids that see it as the cool console and don't think much why they
> want to buy it.
Like I said, clever marketing only goes so far. If loads of the games were poor looking, poor to play, and the PS2 was really lagging behind what the GC and XBox offered, people would see it. The parents, and the kids. This already works, for the games that are below par. Hence some games just are not popular, while others are.
Dave RJR wrote:
> If PS2 and it's games were that bad, people would see it and not buy
> it. Clever marketing will only go so far - mind U Nintendo and MS
> could do with some of that.
no, i dont think they would. the majority of PS2 buyers are parents or kids that see it as the cool console and don't think much why they want to buy it.
> If PS2 and it's games were that bad, people would see it and not buy
> it. Clever marketing will only go so far - mind U Nintendo and MS
> could do with some of that.
no, i dont think they would. the majority of PS2 buyers are parents or kids that see it as the cool console and don't think much why they want to buy it.
da_1_n_only wrote:
> That dont shut no one up! Hope it will shut YOU UP! PS2 Fan-Boy!!!!
> ITs funny how Sony have wrapped you into there big rich hands! Wo
> cares about demand! We want better games, and the Ps2 dont offer that
> many CLASS games as you would find on other consoles. At least 3/4 of
> the current PS2 games are a load of crap! Graphics are rubbish,
> gameplay is appaling, story plot is useless etc etc. For every lets
> say 10 games that are realeased onto the Ps2, 1 game will come on to
> the Gamecube and it will be Class!
>
> Except games like GTA3, Gran Turismo Concept, and one or two other Ps2
> games the others are just time wasting. Mario sunshine, Starfox,
> Doshin the Giant, etc etc are games worth playing!
If PS2 and it's games were that bad, people would see it and not buy it. Clever marketing will only go so far - mind U Nintendo and MS could do with some of that.
> That dont shut no one up! Hope it will shut YOU UP! PS2 Fan-Boy!!!!
> ITs funny how Sony have wrapped you into there big rich hands! Wo
> cares about demand! We want better games, and the Ps2 dont offer that
> many CLASS games as you would find on other consoles. At least 3/4 of
> the current PS2 games are a load of crap! Graphics are rubbish,
> gameplay is appaling, story plot is useless etc etc. For every lets
> say 10 games that are realeased onto the Ps2, 1 game will come on to
> the Gamecube and it will be Class!
>
> Except games like GTA3, Gran Turismo Concept, and one or two other Ps2
> games the others are just time wasting. Mario sunshine, Starfox,
> Doshin the Giant, etc etc are games worth playing!
If PS2 and it's games were that bad, people would see it and not buy it. Clever marketing will only go so far - mind U Nintendo and MS could do with some of that.
There is over 300 games for the ps2 but i still dont see many games i want. Where as with my xbox i see loads of exclusives that i want.
Top score wrote:
> I just like laughing at the so called competition
You honestly expect people to believe that? If you want to laugh at the 'so called competition', why don't you just check out sites on the interent? why spend money on a magazine for a console you're not interested in?
> I just like laughing at the so called competition
You honestly expect people to believe that? If you want to laugh at the 'so called competition', why don't you just check out sites on the interent? why spend money on a magazine for a console you're not interested in?
Top score wrote:
> Nice one Dave RJR that will shut the Ninty fanboys up, might be a bit
> complicated for them to understand though.
>
> Funny how Sony is still struggling to cope with the demand for PS2's
> no decrease in sales expectations there.
That dont shut no one up! Hope it will shut YOU UP! PS2 Fan-Boy!!!! ITs funny how Sony have wrapped you into there big rich hands! Who cares about demand! We want better games, and the Ps2 dont offer that many CLASS games as you would find on other consoles. At least 3/4 of the current PS2 games are a load of crap! Graphics are rubbish, gameplay is appaling, story plot is useless etc etc. For every lets say 10 games that are realeased onto the Ps2, 1 game will come on to the Gamecube and it will be Class!
Except games like GTA3, Gran Turismo Concept, and one or two other Ps2 games the others are just time wasting. Mario sunshine, Starfox, Doshin the Giant, etc etc are games worth playing!
> Nice one Dave RJR that will shut the Ninty fanboys up, might be a bit
> complicated for them to understand though.
>
> Funny how Sony is still struggling to cope with the demand for PS2's
> no decrease in sales expectations there.
That dont shut no one up! Hope it will shut YOU UP! PS2 Fan-Boy!!!! ITs funny how Sony have wrapped you into there big rich hands! Who cares about demand! We want better games, and the Ps2 dont offer that many CLASS games as you would find on other consoles. At least 3/4 of the current PS2 games are a load of crap! Graphics are rubbish, gameplay is appaling, story plot is useless etc etc. For every lets say 10 games that are realeased onto the Ps2, 1 game will come on to the Gamecube and it will be Class!
Except games like GTA3, Gran Turismo Concept, and one or two other Ps2 games the others are just time wasting. Mario sunshine, Starfox, Doshin the Giant, etc etc are games worth playing!
Top score wrote:
> Nice one Dave RJR that will shut the Ninty fanboys up, might be a bit
> complicated for them to understand though.
>
> Funny how Sony is still struggling to cope with the demand for PS2's
> no decrease in sales expectations there.
That dont shut no one up! Hope it will shut YOU UP! PS2 Fan-Boy!!!! ITs funny how Sony have wrapped you into there big rich hands! Wo cares about demand! We want better games, and the Ps2 dont offer that many CLASS games as you would find on other consoles. At least 3/4 of the current PS2 games are a load of crap! Graphics are rubbish, gameplay is appaling, story plot is useless etc etc. For every lets say 10 games that are realeased onto the Ps2, 1 game will come on to the Gamecube and it will be Class!
Except games like GTA3, Gran Turismo Concept, and one or two other Ps2 games the others are just time wasting. Mario sunshine, Starfox, Doshin the Giant, etc etc are games worth playing!
> Nice one Dave RJR that will shut the Ninty fanboys up, might be a bit
> complicated for them to understand though.
>
> Funny how Sony is still struggling to cope with the demand for PS2's
> no decrease in sales expectations there.
That dont shut no one up! Hope it will shut YOU UP! PS2 Fan-Boy!!!! ITs funny how Sony have wrapped you into there big rich hands! Wo cares about demand! We want better games, and the Ps2 dont offer that many CLASS games as you would find on other consoles. At least 3/4 of the current PS2 games are a load of crap! Graphics are rubbish, gameplay is appaling, story plot is useless etc etc. For every lets say 10 games that are realeased onto the Ps2, 1 game will come on to the Gamecube and it will be Class!
Except games like GTA3, Gran Turismo Concept, and one or two other Ps2 games the others are just time wasting. Mario sunshine, Starfox, Doshin the Giant, etc etc are games worth playing!
Top score wrote:
> Dark Mark wrote>
>
> Rare did indeed make Starfox Adventures for the Gamecube, but Nintendo
> themselves own Starfox. Rare don't. They made the game under the
> guidance of Nintendo. Anything Starfox related will NOT appear on the
> X-Box unless Nintendo actually sold the Starfox licence to Microsoft
>
> The latest Nintendo magazine contradicts that then.
which magazine, praytell, would say that?
> Dark Mark wrote>
>
> Rare did indeed make Starfox Adventures for the Gamecube, but Nintendo
> themselves own Starfox. Rare don't. They made the game under the
> guidance of Nintendo. Anything Starfox related will NOT appear on the
> X-Box unless Nintendo actually sold the Starfox licence to Microsoft
>
> The latest Nintendo magazine contradicts that then.
which magazine, praytell, would say that?
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