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Being quite mature, we can make our own decisions when living our lives, buying stuff and basically giving everything we do a bit of though. Fair enough sometimes we make wrong decisions, but its a part of being human.Hows this connected to games then? Well when we were younger, most of us went alongwith the masses. If the new cereal you have seen on TV was popular with your mates, you would want to get it to. It was the same for most forms of media, entertainment and other needs.
Now that most of us are old enough to make their own decisions and consider all the facts before carrying out a task or buying something, we do not need to go with the masses. So is the case with the PS2's new fighting games Virtua Fighter 4 and Tekken 4.
Those of us who have not been lucky (or unlucky) to own a Dreamcast may not be very familiar with the recent VF games. With the series starting out on the Saturn, and considering the sort of 80:20 split between the Playstation and the Saturn, the series were mostly ignored by many.
Tekken on the other hand became one of the biggest franchises on the Playstation. It offered many fighters, good graphics and great gameplay. Tekken was always more of an arcade beat-em up rather than a simulation. But with the series appearance on the PS2, the masses have kinda quieted down. The game was quite average and hardly offered any improvements on the successful Tekken 3 on the PSone. Namco admitted that this was sort of an "update" that included all the characters from the series with the proper sequel to Tekken 3 to follow a couple of years after.
Virtua Fighter 4 has been in development for 3 years and the quality of the game shows the determination of the team. The graphics are crisp and the effects are fantastic. The lack of fighters is probably the games only fault at the moment. It will take ages to master, with the control system being very simple and fluid, but still requires hours of practice to get used to the characters moves and be able to get the most out of the characters. Plus the advantage of every characters fighting style being closely based on a real life martial art, VF 4 is a Pro Evo of the fighting games.
But the point still stands. Tekken 4 has already hit the Japanese shores and the UK release is to follow in a few months time. The game is impressive, but againmany magazines cant help but feel its more of the same. New fighters, new mini-game and new moves should attract the fansof the series though.
So Virtua Fighter 4 is clearly a better game if you look at the media reviews around the world.It offers the player more control and satisfaction than before, but (and I am sad to say this as much as I like Tekken) Tekken will most liekly outsell VF4 by a mile. Again it all comes down to a multi-million pound franchise and Namco are again the favourites to sweep the cash.
Now I am not meaning to say anything bad about Tekken 4 but just like with FIFA many people will simply ignore VF4 and pay their hard-earned £40 for something that may be good but not the optimal choice of a hardcore gamer. People simply seem to be ignoring the advice of the media and still decide to go out and buy big-francise titles, in the mean-time ignoring superior games.
We are old enough to have our right to make a choice. But why is it that so many of us cant seem to make the right choice, or take an eternity to finally realise where they went wrong. I for one am conscious of what the magazines have to say and the features that games offer. I do not longer go with the masses like I did about 5 years ago. I do not have to feel that I am an outcast because I havnt got THAT particular game or THAT particular brand of trainers. But for many tthe ability to be independent is still not a reality....
Discuss :)
Now that most of us are old enough to make their own decisions and consider all the facts before carrying out a task or buying something, we do not need to go with the masses. So is the case with the PS2's new fighting games Virtua Fighter 4 and Tekken 4.
Those of us who have not been lucky (or unlucky) to own a Dreamcast may not be very familiar with the recent VF games. With the series starting out on the Saturn, and considering the sort of 80:20 split between the Playstation and the Saturn, the series were mostly ignored by many.
Tekken on the other hand became one of the biggest franchises on the Playstation. It offered many fighters, good graphics and great gameplay. Tekken was always more of an arcade beat-em up rather than a simulation. But with the series appearance on the PS2, the masses have kinda quieted down. The game was quite average and hardly offered any improvements on the successful Tekken 3 on the PSone. Namco admitted that this was sort of an "update" that included all the characters from the series with the proper sequel to Tekken 3 to follow a couple of years after.
Virtua Fighter 4 has been in development for 3 years and the quality of the game shows the determination of the team. The graphics are crisp and the effects are fantastic. The lack of fighters is probably the games only fault at the moment. It will take ages to master, with the control system being very simple and fluid, but still requires hours of practice to get used to the characters moves and be able to get the most out of the characters. Plus the advantage of every characters fighting style being closely based on a real life martial art, VF 4 is a Pro Evo of the fighting games.
But the point still stands. Tekken 4 has already hit the Japanese shores and the UK release is to follow in a few months time. The game is impressive, but againmany magazines cant help but feel its more of the same. New fighters, new mini-game and new moves should attract the fansof the series though.
So Virtua Fighter 4 is clearly a better game if you look at the media reviews around the world.It offers the player more control and satisfaction than before, but (and I am sad to say this as much as I like Tekken) Tekken will most liekly outsell VF4 by a mile. Again it all comes down to a multi-million pound franchise and Namco are again the favourites to sweep the cash.
Now I am not meaning to say anything bad about Tekken 4 but just like with FIFA many people will simply ignore VF4 and pay their hard-earned £40 for something that may be good but not the optimal choice of a hardcore gamer. People simply seem to be ignoring the advice of the media and still decide to go out and buy big-francise titles, in the mean-time ignoring superior games.
We are old enough to have our right to make a choice. But why is it that so many of us cant seem to make the right choice, or take an eternity to finally realise where they went wrong. I for one am conscious of what the magazines have to say and the features that games offer. I do not longer go with the masses like I did about 5 years ago. I do not have to feel that I am an outcast because I havnt got THAT particular game or THAT particular brand of trainers. But for many tthe ability to be independent is still not a reality....
Discuss :)
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Now Pro, you did say NOT NECESSARILY. But surely you must realise that there is a very strong posibility in that happening. FIFA games kept outselling their competitors for about 5-6 years before people finally realised that Pro Evo was a quality title.
People may be starting to get fed up with Tekken but Tekken Tag sold a lot of copies despite it being very ver average. Thiscould be due to the lack of any other fighting games on the PS2's release (with an exception of DOA2). But DOA series are actually more familiar to the Sony followers because the first game appeared on the PSone 3-4 years ago.Now considering many havnt even seen VF series in action they may think, "hey wait a minute, Tekken 4 is just round the corner". OK, maybe times are changing and people are becoming more conscious of what they are doing, but surely you know that FIFA 2002 still sold thousands and thousands of copies despite almost every publication telling people otherwise....And Tekken 4 is by no means a bad game
Now Pro, you did say NOT NECESSARILY. But surely you must realise that there is a very strong posibility in that happening. FIFA games kept outselling their competitors for about 5-6 years before people finally realised that Pro Evo was a quality title.
People may be starting to get fed up with Tekken but Tekken Tag sold a lot of copies despite it being very ver average. Thiscould be due to the lack of any other fighting games on the PS2's release (with an exception of DOA2). But DOA series are actually more familiar to the Sony followers because the first game appeared on the PSone 3-4 years ago.Now considering many havnt even seen VF series in action they may think, "hey wait a minute, Tekken 4 is just round the corner". OK, maybe times are changing and people are becoming more conscious of what they are doing, but surely you know that FIFA 2002 still sold thousands and thousands of copies despite almost every publication telling people otherwise....And Tekken 4 is by no means a bad game
Me i always check up on my games, i don't really like to go along with the crowd. I thought that the Tekken games where pretty good, really good for multiplayer.
Triple_H wrote: Now I am not meaning to say anything bad about Tekken 4 but just like with FIFA many people will simply ignore VF4 and pay their hard-earned £40.
Not Necessarily. Firstly looking at the example, Fifa and Pro Evo. Before Pro Evo, Fifa used to outsell any football game all the time no matter how good the others were, ISS Evo 2 for example, and the only real reason for this was the brand name. Fifa is a big name on the PS and so when it came out people use to buy it as it was the in thing. Then PS2 arrives with Fifa 2001...and Pro Evo. By now people are bored with the many Fifas that have come out and are starting to see that they are nothing new and is just a money grabbing scheme. The people also see that Pro Evo is the far better game and as a result: Pro Evo sells far more.
My point? People are starting to see through Tekken. Tekken tag did not do much for the reputation of the name and VF has always been a big name in the arcades and the DC. With the use of the net and mags people will soon start to realise which is the better game as these days people research there games much more, and can do easily with the wide range of sources.
I can see both selling well, maybe Tekken will sell more, maybe not. But thats not my/your concern. What does concern you is the fact that you get the one that you feel is the better for you, the one that you see as the best game. If you want to show your gratitude to the devloper for making a great game, buy theres.
Not Necessarily. Firstly looking at the example, Fifa and Pro Evo. Before Pro Evo, Fifa used to outsell any football game all the time no matter how good the others were, ISS Evo 2 for example, and the only real reason for this was the brand name. Fifa is a big name on the PS and so when it came out people use to buy it as it was the in thing. Then PS2 arrives with Fifa 2001...and Pro Evo. By now people are bored with the many Fifas that have come out and are starting to see that they are nothing new and is just a money grabbing scheme. The people also see that Pro Evo is the far better game and as a result: Pro Evo sells far more.
My point? People are starting to see through Tekken. Tekken tag did not do much for the reputation of the name and VF has always been a big name in the arcades and the DC. With the use of the net and mags people will soon start to realise which is the better game as these days people research there games much more, and can do easily with the wide range of sources.
I can see both selling well, maybe Tekken will sell more, maybe not. But thats not my/your concern. What does concern you is the fact that you get the one that you feel is the better for you, the one that you see as the best game. If you want to show your gratitude to the devloper for making a great game, buy theres.
Another good post there Triple H. Personally i like to take into account reviews i read and other peoples opinions then base my decision on them if i'm going to buy this game or not, it also helps to play a demo or rent it. Although i think a lot of people especially those who just play games now and then or are yound tend to be persuaded into buying game because of their names or flash adverts. The FIFA games are a well known name and had good adverts these sell the game amazingly well, no matter how much better PES is.Basically names sell games and until people experiment with the supposed 'inferior' game they won't relise what they are missing out on.
A cynical gamer could say that Virtua Fighter 4 has been readied for exactly this time to counter DOA3 on the Xbox, as graphically it is nearly superior and Japanese import copies show that the game is arcade perfect, for once !
I've never liked Tekken, I don't know why. I had the first game on Playstation on launch day and it was okay. Tekken ag is a game I've ignored willingly, choosing the prettier and faster DOA 2. I was gutted when I hear DOA3 was Xbox only, but Virtua Fighter 4 seems to fill that gap, and I suspect others will see this when the playable demo comes out on OPS2M #19 tomorrow !
I've never liked Tekken, I don't know why. I had the first game on Playstation on launch day and it was okay. Tekken ag is a game I've ignored willingly, choosing the prettier and faster DOA 2. I was gutted when I hear DOA3 was Xbox only, but Virtua Fighter 4 seems to fill that gap, and I suspect others will see this when the playable demo comes out on OPS2M #19 tomorrow !
Being quite mature, we can make our own decisions when living our lives, buying stuff and basically giving everything we do a bit of though. Fair enough sometimes we make wrong decisions, but its a part of being human.Hows this connected to games then? Well when we were younger, most of us went alongwith the masses. If the new cereal you have seen on TV was popular with your mates, you would want to get it to. It was the same for most forms of media, entertainment and other needs.
Now that most of us are old enough to make their own decisions and consider all the facts before carrying out a task or buying something, we do not need to go with the masses. So is the case with the PS2's new fighting games Virtua Fighter 4 and Tekken 4.
Those of us who have not been lucky (or unlucky) to own a Dreamcast may not be very familiar with the recent VF games. With the series starting out on the Saturn, and considering the sort of 80:20 split between the Playstation and the Saturn, the series were mostly ignored by many.
Tekken on the other hand became one of the biggest franchises on the Playstation. It offered many fighters, good graphics and great gameplay. Tekken was always more of an arcade beat-em up rather than a simulation. But with the series appearance on the PS2, the masses have kinda quieted down. The game was quite average and hardly offered any improvements on the successful Tekken 3 on the PSone. Namco admitted that this was sort of an "update" that included all the characters from the series with the proper sequel to Tekken 3 to follow a couple of years after.
Virtua Fighter 4 has been in development for 3 years and the quality of the game shows the determination of the team. The graphics are crisp and the effects are fantastic. The lack of fighters is probably the games only fault at the moment. It will take ages to master, with the control system being very simple and fluid, but still requires hours of practice to get used to the characters moves and be able to get the most out of the characters. Plus the advantage of every characters fighting style being closely based on a real life martial art, VF 4 is a Pro Evo of the fighting games.
But the point still stands. Tekken 4 has already hit the Japanese shores and the UK release is to follow in a few months time. The game is impressive, but againmany magazines cant help but feel its more of the same. New fighters, new mini-game and new moves should attract the fansof the series though.
So Virtua Fighter 4 is clearly a better game if you look at the media reviews around the world.It offers the player more control and satisfaction than before, but (and I am sad to say this as much as I like Tekken) Tekken will most liekly outsell VF4 by a mile. Again it all comes down to a multi-million pound franchise and Namco are again the favourites to sweep the cash.
Now I am not meaning to say anything bad about Tekken 4 but just like with FIFA many people will simply ignore VF4 and pay their hard-earned £40 for something that may be good but not the optimal choice of a hardcore gamer. People simply seem to be ignoring the advice of the media and still decide to go out and buy big-francise titles, in the mean-time ignoring superior games.
We are old enough to have our right to make a choice. But why is it that so many of us cant seem to make the right choice, or take an eternity to finally realise where they went wrong. I for one am conscious of what the magazines have to say and the features that games offer. I do not longer go with the masses like I did about 5 years ago. I do not have to feel that I am an outcast because I havnt got THAT particular game or THAT particular brand of trainers. But for many tthe ability to be independent is still not a reality....
Discuss :)
Now that most of us are old enough to make their own decisions and consider all the facts before carrying out a task or buying something, we do not need to go with the masses. So is the case with the PS2's new fighting games Virtua Fighter 4 and Tekken 4.
Those of us who have not been lucky (or unlucky) to own a Dreamcast may not be very familiar with the recent VF games. With the series starting out on the Saturn, and considering the sort of 80:20 split between the Playstation and the Saturn, the series were mostly ignored by many.
Tekken on the other hand became one of the biggest franchises on the Playstation. It offered many fighters, good graphics and great gameplay. Tekken was always more of an arcade beat-em up rather than a simulation. But with the series appearance on the PS2, the masses have kinda quieted down. The game was quite average and hardly offered any improvements on the successful Tekken 3 on the PSone. Namco admitted that this was sort of an "update" that included all the characters from the series with the proper sequel to Tekken 3 to follow a couple of years after.
Virtua Fighter 4 has been in development for 3 years and the quality of the game shows the determination of the team. The graphics are crisp and the effects are fantastic. The lack of fighters is probably the games only fault at the moment. It will take ages to master, with the control system being very simple and fluid, but still requires hours of practice to get used to the characters moves and be able to get the most out of the characters. Plus the advantage of every characters fighting style being closely based on a real life martial art, VF 4 is a Pro Evo of the fighting games.
But the point still stands. Tekken 4 has already hit the Japanese shores and the UK release is to follow in a few months time. The game is impressive, but againmany magazines cant help but feel its more of the same. New fighters, new mini-game and new moves should attract the fansof the series though.
So Virtua Fighter 4 is clearly a better game if you look at the media reviews around the world.It offers the player more control and satisfaction than before, but (and I am sad to say this as much as I like Tekken) Tekken will most liekly outsell VF4 by a mile. Again it all comes down to a multi-million pound franchise and Namco are again the favourites to sweep the cash.
Now I am not meaning to say anything bad about Tekken 4 but just like with FIFA many people will simply ignore VF4 and pay their hard-earned £40 for something that may be good but not the optimal choice of a hardcore gamer. People simply seem to be ignoring the advice of the media and still decide to go out and buy big-francise titles, in the mean-time ignoring superior games.
We are old enough to have our right to make a choice. But why is it that so many of us cant seem to make the right choice, or take an eternity to finally realise where they went wrong. I for one am conscious of what the magazines have to say and the features that games offer. I do not longer go with the masses like I did about 5 years ago. I do not have to feel that I am an outcast because I havnt got THAT particular game or THAT particular brand of trainers. But for many tthe ability to be independent is still not a reality....
Discuss :)
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