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Wed 27/02/02 at 17:52
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I feel like a rant about films. So this will do for now, partly because it annoys me at times.

The idea for this topic came to me last night as I was watching Idependence Day. Now, I'm sure a lot of us will regard this film as typical big-budget low-content shallow Hollywood tripe.

Yup, me too. And it bloody rules. I enjoyed practically every minute of it. The Yanks saying "We will survive" while just managing not to burst into song and skip around Area 51 in a conga line. The British with there stereotypical accents doing nowt because Blighty was waiting on the good old Yanks. The whole nine yards. And there's a specific reason why this rules.

It's simple, uncomplicated good watching. Just the sort of thing I want of a school evening when I'm knackered and can't be bothered to think hard. All I have to concentrate on is Will Smith bowling it around and marrying a stripper. Excellent. Jeff Goldblum making witty little regards in his role as Nerd-Who-Cares. It's all fun.

And this sort of idea can be extended like a large and shallow blanket to the whole of Hollywood tack and campness. There are times when Rush Hour is infinitely more appealing than Memento. I don't want to be thinking:

"Err, so he's where now? What? Thats a tattoo of his..wife? Erm. Damn, I'm lost."

Now don't get me wrong, I loved this film. But you've got to be in the right mood. And often as not, I just want to laugh at Chris Tucker being a tart and Jackie Chan speaking gobbled English. But shallow Hollywood projects sometimes rule. Its all about being able to waltz into a cinema and come out 2 hours later and say "I really enjoyed that." It doesn't particuarly matter whether it's directed by someone you hate or has a basic script or is a hard-hitting portrayal of near-collapse Japan. You can enjoy all of those. You can love tack like Men in Black or Ocean's Eleven and still be a fan of serious films like Battle Royale or The Usual Suspects. Mood changes can happen in anyone. So what have you REALLY got against them?

1.) "They are just some way of making money, man."

Really? No ship, mate. All movies are made for the good of the community at large, are they? It's all about the money, and to make money, you must entertain people. Entertainment can come in any form. People who love nu-metal aren't going to be swayed by people like me or Tiltawhirl or Goatboy telling them what sad little grunts they are; they are going to continue to smash around because they have to do schoolwork.

2.) "The actors are all well-known!"

Oh. There's a shame. I'd prefer we have unknowns each time and good actors only have one film before being slung back into the unemployment queue.
They are in a lot of films because they are good at what they do! Oh, and sex-crazed people like to look at them, sometimes. But sometimes even this can obscure a reason why an actor/actress is successful. Take Brad Pitt - loved by girls and fruity blokes worldwide. Obviously thats why people go and see his moves, right? Now watch Fight Club. This is an actor with talent, in my humble opinion. He rules. I remember people moaning about how Will Smith only made poor films. Now he's nominated for Best Actor Oscar.

3.) "It's too mainstream, dude, I'm underground."

People watch cult/indie/unknown films because they like them, and then suddenly everyone latches on. Soon, it's not good anymore because everyone likes it? Right? Bollix. A good film will be good whether 1 or 100,000,000 people see it. Take Battle Royale. Acheived infamy and now people watch it, me included. It's become the "cool" film to see on these forums. Does that mean that people who saw it first shouldn't like it anymore, and move onto a new film that's cult like Ghost World? Of course not. Same with mainstream films. Take Dragonheart. All the rage when it came out - "Wow, it's got Sean Connery in, and he's a dragon0shaped dragon!". I loved it on release and still do. It occupies a place of pride in my VHS collection and I shall soon acquire it on DVD.

It's Hollywood, shallow, meaningless rubbish. And I love it.

Don't think that a film can't be good because it's from Hollywood, and it's shallow. Admittedly, films that deal with the pains of drug abuse, like Trainspotting and Requiem for a Dream, are much more worthy of praise, or films that burn in your eyes and make you sit back in wonder, like A Clockwork Orange or Battle Royale. But that doesn't mean that I won't keep on enjoying some of the rubbish that Hollywood produces. It amuses me.

Next up for me in the next few months, A Beautiful Mind. Hollywood stuff that Oscar bigwigs lap up because it's about a mans struggle for survival (shortened so as to be entertaining.) Bet I'll enjoy it and all.

Cheers for reading, lads, and I'm not aiming it at anyone in particular. Don't take me too seriously.

Here's to shallow films. Except A.I.
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Wed 27/02/02 at 17:52
Regular
Posts: 16,548
I feel like a rant about films. So this will do for now, partly because it annoys me at times.

The idea for this topic came to me last night as I was watching Idependence Day. Now, I'm sure a lot of us will regard this film as typical big-budget low-content shallow Hollywood tripe.

Yup, me too. And it bloody rules. I enjoyed practically every minute of it. The Yanks saying "We will survive" while just managing not to burst into song and skip around Area 51 in a conga line. The British with there stereotypical accents doing nowt because Blighty was waiting on the good old Yanks. The whole nine yards. And there's a specific reason why this rules.

It's simple, uncomplicated good watching. Just the sort of thing I want of a school evening when I'm knackered and can't be bothered to think hard. All I have to concentrate on is Will Smith bowling it around and marrying a stripper. Excellent. Jeff Goldblum making witty little regards in his role as Nerd-Who-Cares. It's all fun.

And this sort of idea can be extended like a large and shallow blanket to the whole of Hollywood tack and campness. There are times when Rush Hour is infinitely more appealing than Memento. I don't want to be thinking:

"Err, so he's where now? What? Thats a tattoo of his..wife? Erm. Damn, I'm lost."

Now don't get me wrong, I loved this film. But you've got to be in the right mood. And often as not, I just want to laugh at Chris Tucker being a tart and Jackie Chan speaking gobbled English. But shallow Hollywood projects sometimes rule. Its all about being able to waltz into a cinema and come out 2 hours later and say "I really enjoyed that." It doesn't particuarly matter whether it's directed by someone you hate or has a basic script or is a hard-hitting portrayal of near-collapse Japan. You can enjoy all of those. You can love tack like Men in Black or Ocean's Eleven and still be a fan of serious films like Battle Royale or The Usual Suspects. Mood changes can happen in anyone. So what have you REALLY got against them?

1.) "They are just some way of making money, man."

Really? No ship, mate. All movies are made for the good of the community at large, are they? It's all about the money, and to make money, you must entertain people. Entertainment can come in any form. People who love nu-metal aren't going to be swayed by people like me or Tiltawhirl or Goatboy telling them what sad little grunts they are; they are going to continue to smash around because they have to do schoolwork.

2.) "The actors are all well-known!"

Oh. There's a shame. I'd prefer we have unknowns each time and good actors only have one film before being slung back into the unemployment queue.
They are in a lot of films because they are good at what they do! Oh, and sex-crazed people like to look at them, sometimes. But sometimes even this can obscure a reason why an actor/actress is successful. Take Brad Pitt - loved by girls and fruity blokes worldwide. Obviously thats why people go and see his moves, right? Now watch Fight Club. This is an actor with talent, in my humble opinion. He rules. I remember people moaning about how Will Smith only made poor films. Now he's nominated for Best Actor Oscar.

3.) "It's too mainstream, dude, I'm underground."

People watch cult/indie/unknown films because they like them, and then suddenly everyone latches on. Soon, it's not good anymore because everyone likes it? Right? Bollix. A good film will be good whether 1 or 100,000,000 people see it. Take Battle Royale. Acheived infamy and now people watch it, me included. It's become the "cool" film to see on these forums. Does that mean that people who saw it first shouldn't like it anymore, and move onto a new film that's cult like Ghost World? Of course not. Same with mainstream films. Take Dragonheart. All the rage when it came out - "Wow, it's got Sean Connery in, and he's a dragon0shaped dragon!". I loved it on release and still do. It occupies a place of pride in my VHS collection and I shall soon acquire it on DVD.

It's Hollywood, shallow, meaningless rubbish. And I love it.

Don't think that a film can't be good because it's from Hollywood, and it's shallow. Admittedly, films that deal with the pains of drug abuse, like Trainspotting and Requiem for a Dream, are much more worthy of praise, or films that burn in your eyes and make you sit back in wonder, like A Clockwork Orange or Battle Royale. But that doesn't mean that I won't keep on enjoying some of the rubbish that Hollywood produces. It amuses me.

Next up for me in the next few months, A Beautiful Mind. Hollywood stuff that Oscar bigwigs lap up because it's about a mans struggle for survival (shortened so as to be entertaining.) Bet I'll enjoy it and all.

Cheers for reading, lads, and I'm not aiming it at anyone in particular. Don't take me too seriously.

Here's to shallow films. Except A.I.

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