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From the BBC website and other news sources:
"Hollywood couple Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon are to make a film about the 11 September attacks in New York, focusing on the bravery of a British security officer.
Robbins and Sarandon are to base their film on the bravery of Rick Rescorla, a Cornwall-born war hero, who died in the attacks saving thousands of people.
The film is based on an article by James Stewart in the New Yorker magazine, All The Heroes Are Dead, and is one of three productions about the attacks on the Twin Towers currently in planning
The film will concentrate on the love story between the couple, described as "two fractured people who found each other late in life and enjoyed a storybook romance".
The World Trade Center disaster will provide a cruel finale to the film."
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A love story using the WTC as a backdrop.
They didnt even wait a year.
"Hollywood couple Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon are to make a film about the 11 September attacks in New York, focusing on the bravery of a British security officer.
Robbins and Sarandon are to base their film on the bravery of Rick Rescorla, a Cornwall-born war hero, who died in the attacks saving thousands of people.
The film is based on an article by James Stewart in the New Yorker magazine, All The Heroes Are Dead, and is one of three productions about the attacks on the Twin Towers currently in planning
The film will concentrate on the love story between the couple, described as "two fractured people who found each other late in life and enjoyed a storybook romance".
The World Trade Center disaster will provide a cruel finale to the film."
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A love story using the WTC as a backdrop.
They didnt even wait a year.
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MAYBE, and it is only maybe, if the film does get made (which i don't think it should) and it does make money, all or most of the money would go to victim relief charities?? (in an ideal world that would happen)
No one's forcing you to watch the movie, and no one's asking you to like it. Sometimes things like this happen that you just have to put up with, there's nothing you can do about it, and that's what sucks.
A film like this is always going to come under fire, and although I find the idea of making a profit out of such events so soon after they happened morally reprehensible, I cannot comment further until I know more about it.
And anyway, if Susan Sarandon is in it, it's bound to be terrible.
A film like this is always going to come under fire, and although I find the idea of making a profit out of such events so soon after they happened morally reprehensible, I cannot comment further until I know more about it.
And anyway, if Susan Sarandon is in it, it's bound to be terrible.
No.
Under no circumstances will I watch a goddamn movie about 3,000 people dying, including a member of my family.
This is not entertainment, this is not showing the bravery of people.
This is Hollywood making money out of pain and loss and suffering.
This is for the rubbernecking morons that downloaded the clip of the planes hitting and have it on their hard-drive.
This is for those idiots that thought Wingdings gave you weird stuff about the flight number.
This is for the whooping clowns that applaud the sight of Afghanistan being bombed.
Utterly, utterly clueless.
I'm going to leave this conversation for a while because I am absolutely furious and want to burn LA down before this goes any further.
Under no circumstances will I watch a goddamn movie about 3,000 people dying, including a member of my family.
This is not entertainment, this is not showing the bravery of people.
This is Hollywood making money out of pain and loss and suffering.
This is for the rubbernecking morons that downloaded the clip of the planes hitting and have it on their hard-drive.
This is for those idiots that thought Wingdings gave you weird stuff about the flight number.
This is for the whooping clowns that applaud the sight of Afghanistan being bombed.
Utterly, utterly clueless.
I'm going to leave this conversation for a while because I am absolutely furious and want to burn LA down before this goes any further.
I was merely pointing out that Holywood has done it before and will do it again.
Tragedy sells. Its a sad state of affairs I know but its true.
Tragedy sells. Its a sad state of affairs I know but its true.
Goatboy wrote:
I absolutely refuse to watch this film.
Go pay £5.00 to watch this movie and
> try to understand how some people find this offensive and disrespectful.
And
> when the credits roll and you sit and comment about how fake the explosions
> looked, or how cheesy the script was, remember that there are 3,000 families
> still reliving that day in absolute technicolour with genuine effects every
> single time they close their eyes.
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I would not be surprised at all if a large percentage of all profits made went to the families of the victims
That would be the tasteful thing to do
They'll pay the cost of the film, and the wages of everyone involved, then the corporate scumbags will get their bonus, then everything else should go to charities and the families
Then would you go and see it?
I absolutely refuse to watch this film.
Go pay £5.00 to watch this movie and
> try to understand how some people find this offensive and disrespectful.
And
> when the credits roll and you sit and comment about how fake the explosions
> looked, or how cheesy the script was, remember that there are 3,000 families
> still reliving that day in absolute technicolour with genuine effects every
> single time they close their eyes.
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I would not be surprised at all if a large percentage of all profits made went to the families of the victims
That would be the tasteful thing to do
They'll pay the cost of the film, and the wages of everyone involved, then the corporate scumbags will get their bonus, then everything else should go to charities and the families
Then would you go and see it?
MoJoJoJo wrote:
But don't b*tch to me about what's right and what's wrong, OK? I don't like it
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I dont care what you do or don't like to be honest mate.
I dont like the fact that people will watch this as entertainment and think they understand what the hell it's like to lose someone in that attack.
This movie is wrong.
If you go watch this, then you deserve the contempt of 3,000 families that are more involved than trying to justify it as a "work of art".
Stick to Arnold movies.
But don't b*tch to me about what's right and what's wrong, OK? I don't like it
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I dont care what you do or don't like to be honest mate.
I dont like the fact that people will watch this as entertainment and think they understand what the hell it's like to lose someone in that attack.
This movie is wrong.
If you go watch this, then you deserve the contempt of 3,000 families that are more involved than trying to justify it as a "work of art".
Stick to Arnold movies.
Craw wrote:
> The same way they made films about WWI, WWII, Vietnam etc etc I guess...
Sure, a lot more people died in those wars than on September 11th, but I still think war films (and indeed disaster films) can be valid if done properly. Look at Platoon, Born on the 4th July or recenly Band of Brothers. Sure movies are entetainment, but these films make a valid artistic/political/philsophical point, or serve as a tribute to those involved. A war film which simply serves as entertainment, a spectacle to be gawped at, is exremely offensive.
In the same way, Titanic was extremely distasteful in a lot of ways. It was just a love story with human suffering as a backdrop. Yet I, and millions of, others enjoyed it. Maybe sometimes we should focus on the small human dramas in a world full of death and suffering. But mainly, we accepted it because it was a historical drama, the suffering was real but the majority of those affected have dealt with the situation long ago.
The wounds of September 11th are too fresh and too shocking for any kind of film to be made right now. Maybe in 50 years. But, even if it was made in 200 years, if it turns out to be a simple piece of Hollywood entertainment set in the horrific events of that day, it will always be an affront to our basic decency as human beings. I cannot imagine why anyone would want to make this film now, or pay to see it.
> The same way they made films about WWI, WWII, Vietnam etc etc I guess...
Sure, a lot more people died in those wars than on September 11th, but I still think war films (and indeed disaster films) can be valid if done properly. Look at Platoon, Born on the 4th July or recenly Band of Brothers. Sure movies are entetainment, but these films make a valid artistic/political/philsophical point, or serve as a tribute to those involved. A war film which simply serves as entertainment, a spectacle to be gawped at, is exremely offensive.
In the same way, Titanic was extremely distasteful in a lot of ways. It was just a love story with human suffering as a backdrop. Yet I, and millions of, others enjoyed it. Maybe sometimes we should focus on the small human dramas in a world full of death and suffering. But mainly, we accepted it because it was a historical drama, the suffering was real but the majority of those affected have dealt with the situation long ago.
The wounds of September 11th are too fresh and too shocking for any kind of film to be made right now. Maybe in 50 years. But, even if it was made in 200 years, if it turns out to be a simple piece of Hollywood entertainment set in the horrific events of that day, it will always be an affront to our basic decency as human beings. I cannot imagine why anyone would want to make this film now, or pay to see it.
That's why I said maybe time will allow a distance to this, but this is 100% morally wrong to make a movie about this.
To profit from the loss of lives of 3,000 and make it entertainment is utterly indefensible.
Maybe in 10 years time, the pain will have faded from those involved.
But not right now, this is barely 5 months after the WTC.
I absolutely refuse to watch this film.
And when you go in to watch this touching, tragic love story I would like you to remember this:
Jason England was my uncle. He was killed on Sept 11th in the Pentagon attack. He leaves behind a wife of 28 years and 3 children.
His wife still phones us, at least once a month in tears because she can still smell him on their pillows and she feels empty without him there.
I have a photo of me and him on "The Hurler", a rollercoaster in King's Dominion theme-park.
I won't get another chance to do that, and my aunt will never get a chance to tell him she loves him.
Go pay £5.00 to watch this movie and try to understand how some people find this offensive and disrespectful.
And when the credits roll and you sit and comment about how fake the explosions looked, or how cheesy the script was, remember that there are 3,000 families still reliving that day in absolute technicolour with genuine effects every single time they close their eyes.
To profit from the loss of lives of 3,000 and make it entertainment is utterly indefensible.
Maybe in 10 years time, the pain will have faded from those involved.
But not right now, this is barely 5 months after the WTC.
I absolutely refuse to watch this film.
And when you go in to watch this touching, tragic love story I would like you to remember this:
Jason England was my uncle. He was killed on Sept 11th in the Pentagon attack. He leaves behind a wife of 28 years and 3 children.
His wife still phones us, at least once a month in tears because she can still smell him on their pillows and she feels empty without him there.
I have a photo of me and him on "The Hurler", a rollercoaster in King's Dominion theme-park.
I won't get another chance to do that, and my aunt will never get a chance to tell him she loves him.
Go pay £5.00 to watch this movie and try to understand how some people find this offensive and disrespectful.
And when the credits roll and you sit and comment about how fake the explosions looked, or how cheesy the script was, remember that there are 3,000 families still reliving that day in absolute technicolour with genuine effects every single time they close their eyes.
The film won't be out until 2003 if you ask me
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"Titanic and Pearl Harbour were offensive films, you cannot make entertainment out of massive loss of life.
Same with the WTC attacks."
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Offensive? To whom? They showed a tragic reality, of which many, many people were ignorant too
Fair enough, the family of the guy who shot himself in Titanic complained, because that's not what happened, but other than that it was pretty truthful, so was Pearl Harbour
I don't believe they're trying to make "entertainment out of massive loss of life"
OK, so some corporate scumbags are probably rubbing their hands with glee over the thought of all the money they can make
But is everyone? No
They want to show the heroics and bravery that went on, and try and make sense of the massive loss of life that happened
Did people complain about Saving Private Ryan? No
Heck, they were making WW2 films right after the war, did people complain? I don't think so
Anyway, a film of WTC will help future generations understand what happened, a film is a lot better than any history lesson as long as it is done well
But that's the whole point, and the point you obviously missed - IF the film is done well. If the film is done well, all the above stuff applies
If it ISN'T done well, then all your stuff applies. If it's an obvious quest for money and is utter crap, then fair enough. But don't b*tch to me about what's right and what's wrong, OK? I don't like it
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"Titanic and Pearl Harbour were offensive films, you cannot make entertainment out of massive loss of life.
Same with the WTC attacks."
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Offensive? To whom? They showed a tragic reality, of which many, many people were ignorant too
Fair enough, the family of the guy who shot himself in Titanic complained, because that's not what happened, but other than that it was pretty truthful, so was Pearl Harbour
I don't believe they're trying to make "entertainment out of massive loss of life"
OK, so some corporate scumbags are probably rubbing their hands with glee over the thought of all the money they can make
But is everyone? No
They want to show the heroics and bravery that went on, and try and make sense of the massive loss of life that happened
Did people complain about Saving Private Ryan? No
Heck, they were making WW2 films right after the war, did people complain? I don't think so
Anyway, a film of WTC will help future generations understand what happened, a film is a lot better than any history lesson as long as it is done well
But that's the whole point, and the point you obviously missed - IF the film is done well. If the film is done well, all the above stuff applies
If it ISN'T done well, then all your stuff applies. If it's an obvious quest for money and is utter crap, then fair enough. But don't b*tch to me about what's right and what's wrong, OK? I don't like it
I don't think it's a distasteful thing to do. An adequately sensitive film is the artwork of our time.
Throughout history massive events, tragic or otherwise have been recorded and noted in the popular artform of the current time and culture. It's been the way of our generation to record the sentiments, emotions and welfare of our people in film, music and games. I don't think this will be a film made in the same way as other films, it wont be designed as a form of entertainment, but more as a reflective look at the feelings of real people in the worst terrorist attack we have ever seen.
I will be disappointed if this turns into a mere cash in, it's far too important for that, but it could be good for people to express their feelings in visual form, and for the procedes of the film to go to help people effected by those events.
I think it's time we faced up to what happened, and not brush it under the carpet any longer.
Throughout history massive events, tragic or otherwise have been recorded and noted in the popular artform of the current time and culture. It's been the way of our generation to record the sentiments, emotions and welfare of our people in film, music and games. I don't think this will be a film made in the same way as other films, it wont be designed as a form of entertainment, but more as a reflective look at the feelings of real people in the worst terrorist attack we have ever seen.
I will be disappointed if this turns into a mere cash in, it's far too important for that, but it could be good for people to express their feelings in visual form, and for the procedes of the film to go to help people effected by those events.
I think it's time we faced up to what happened, and not brush it under the carpet any longer.
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