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Although the prospect of PS2 may seem exciting, the Dreamcast can easily match its performance. With MSR already making current PS2 racers look more than a tad silly and a huge selection of games already available, Dreamcast still dominates. With the new DVD/DC bundle at a great price, who needs a built-in low spec DVD player?
The PS2 is far too expensive and the DVD drive is merely a gimmick.
As for backwards compatibility, the Bleem! Playstation emulator
for Dreamcast should be available soon, putting pressure on Sony once again. With Microsoft and Nintendo also starting to compete in the console wars this can only be a good thing for the gaming industry.
The PS2 is far too expensive and the DVD drive is merely a gimmick.
As for backwards compatibility, the Bleem! Playstation emulator
for Dreamcast should be available soon, putting pressure on Sony once again. With Microsoft and Nintendo also starting to compete in the console wars this can only be a good thing for the gaming industry.
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PSX 2 is going to be the best and will change the world of computer games forever.Ive heard there will be a final Resident Evil, a sequel to Silent Hill and a fireworks game?
Though I havnt heared of any 4 player games and thats the only reason I invite my mates round, to have a laugh on Crash Team Racing.The DVD player looks a bit deodgy but its probably still worth getting.
By the way what kind of games are on the X box?
Though I havnt heared of any 4 player games and thats the only reason I invite my mates round, to have a laugh on Crash Team Racing.The DVD player looks a bit deodgy but its probably still worth getting.
By the way what kind of games are on the X box?
OK, I dont like arguing with people but I am SO frustrated as I really believe that Sega deserve the best from their efforts, actually, they deserve to be king at the moment.. They have over 200 DC games, and 49 new HOT releases. And yes, lets compare the PS2 and DC cus if we can do this and see that they have as many faults as each other, then why do u think that XBox and Gamecube will be competing??? If u say the DC is dead and yet it is better than the PS2 then what happens to it???
Lets argue..
So, you dont listen to other peoples opinions...
>You should allways listen to others peoples opinion, even if you believe differently but especially when they have experienced it.... >
What did u play on the DC?? and if u werent impressed by that, imagine how youll feel when u get your PS2...And I do listen to your opinions, and there must be some reson behind them so I am actually considering a PS2 now!
>If you are watching DVDs and know how crystal clear they are and how nice they look - would you try and let everyone know and sl@g off VHS??? Yes >
So, they havent even seen your DVD player, or u havent showed it to them and said how wonderful it is??Yea, believing ya man.
>Your probably right there but the only game ever to use DVDs that is planned is Kessen, the rest are on normal cds... And, remember that DVDs cost 11 times more to make than cds.... Why not use 11 cds?? More storage, or for that matter, 4 DC GDROMS contains the equal 4GB and is just as easy to use...
You didnt answer my statement that the only DVD game planned is Kessen... and who cares about disc swapping in RPGs which are the only games that use it anyway??
>No offence
Good, why are you so angry then??
>but the first wave of PS2 games dont look as good as DCs first wave was so what makes you think that its second generation will look as good as the DCs second generation???
Its actually 7 million at the height of the best graphics (just slightly better than DC) and its the games that make the system.. But, since we are on graphics then Ill raise the BIG fact that you have overlooked... The VRAm on the graphics processor. It is 4MB on the PS2 BUT on the DC it is 8MB, 3MB of this is used in rendering so for normal textures, the PS2 dont even come close. 1 MB against 5MB???mmm.. and that is all that matters when making a game look nice, that and antialiasing and Sega seem to be the winner. It doesnt matter how much faster the machine is, it cant handle those textures with that memory...Actually, being faster would be a downside cus it would be better if it was slower as the processor good catch up and not be idle while the RAM is being filled...
True, it will, but things will be different...
>And the way the programming is going for PS2 (badly) we might not see PS2s second generation of games untill the CUbe and Xbox have taken over...>
Well GT2000 aint looking as good as MSR is it??? No way, not a chance EVER, so... AND, Capcom said that it would take 10 times more work and time to make Code:Veronica on the PS2..Even a convrsion would take longer than creation of the DC version!
>aaaahhhh How many times do I have to tell you guys?? The uk ps2 does not contain hardware decoding... They have simpkly put the software in the memory of the system instead of the memory card... >
HAHAHAH, you can get a `high end region free player` for £150, dont exagerate and one will be bundled with the DC, a game and a DVD all for £300 come Christmas....
HAHAH, a decoder is a seperate chip, it can not be contained in a processor, hich is all the `emotion chip` is... So, no, it IS software decoding, get ur facts right..
>So you arent prepared to spend £70 for a machine with two good games and your prepared to fork out £300 for a system with one...next year...>
The Bouncer, Tekken Tag, GT2000, MGS2, DOA2, Unreal Tournament - all first gen games, looking awesome so far. Some not as good as we may have hoped, but excellent nonetheless. I personally have no problem with the number of sequels, as long as they're sequels to secent games - which so far they are, in *my* opinion. >
OK, OK, all on opinions, this IS what all this is about anyway, but u have to see the other side... The Bouncer, I do want this game so no complaints:) altho the graphics look VERY low res, is it just me??Tekken Tag : Well, an awful game and the hugest disappointment ever so lets move on to the superior title.. DOA2: Lovely game but there is only one thing that differs from the DC version, it is HALF the resolution, nope, not TWICE BUT HALF.aaaaah What a disgrace, a PS2 game the exactly the same not beeing ablee to run as good as the SAME DC game...Unreal Tournament: Well, as Daily Radar said, Half Life is looking better than it and thats on the DC so could the DC version of UT be better than PS2??? MGS2: The only original game (apart from the bouncer) that I look forward to.. Very nice but a LONG wait, maybe a short game?
>Do you play games on your toaster??? I suppose the PS2 kinda looks like one!>
AHAHAHA, it does look like one when I turn it on its end! Ha, class, mine don make toast (another disappointment) but it does still look like a toaster!...
I think it looks like a 60s fangled toy but, that IS my opinion.. I will buy a PS2 when it goes down, oh yes, but for now??? DC beckons me to play CV and DOA2.....
bye................
Walk on bab...
Lets argue..
So, you dont listen to other peoples opinions...
>You should allways listen to others peoples opinion, even if you believe differently but especially when they have experienced it.... >
What did u play on the DC?? and if u werent impressed by that, imagine how youll feel when u get your PS2...And I do listen to your opinions, and there must be some reson behind them so I am actually considering a PS2 now!
>If you are watching DVDs and know how crystal clear they are and how nice they look - would you try and let everyone know and sl@g off VHS??? Yes >
So, they havent even seen your DVD player, or u havent showed it to them and said how wonderful it is??Yea, believing ya man.
>Your probably right there but the only game ever to use DVDs that is planned is Kessen, the rest are on normal cds... And, remember that DVDs cost 11 times more to make than cds.... Why not use 11 cds?? More storage, or for that matter, 4 DC GDROMS contains the equal 4GB and is just as easy to use...
You didnt answer my statement that the only DVD game planned is Kessen... and who cares about disc swapping in RPGs which are the only games that use it anyway??
>No offence
Good, why are you so angry then??
>but the first wave of PS2 games dont look as good as DCs first wave was so what makes you think that its second generation will look as good as the DCs second generation???
Its actually 7 million at the height of the best graphics (just slightly better than DC) and its the games that make the system.. But, since we are on graphics then Ill raise the BIG fact that you have overlooked... The VRAm on the graphics processor. It is 4MB on the PS2 BUT on the DC it is 8MB, 3MB of this is used in rendering so for normal textures, the PS2 dont even come close. 1 MB against 5MB???mmm.. and that is all that matters when making a game look nice, that and antialiasing and Sega seem to be the winner. It doesnt matter how much faster the machine is, it cant handle those textures with that memory...Actually, being faster would be a downside cus it would be better if it was slower as the processor good catch up and not be idle while the RAM is being filled...
True, it will, but things will be different...
>And the way the programming is going for PS2 (badly) we might not see PS2s second generation of games untill the CUbe and Xbox have taken over...>
Well GT2000 aint looking as good as MSR is it??? No way, not a chance EVER, so... AND, Capcom said that it would take 10 times more work and time to make Code:Veronica on the PS2..Even a convrsion would take longer than creation of the DC version!
>aaaahhhh How many times do I have to tell you guys?? The uk ps2 does not contain hardware decoding... They have simpkly put the software in the memory of the system instead of the memory card... >
HAHAHAH, you can get a `high end region free player` for £150, dont exagerate and one will be bundled with the DC, a game and a DVD all for £300 come Christmas....
HAHAH, a decoder is a seperate chip, it can not be contained in a processor, hich is all the `emotion chip` is... So, no, it IS software decoding, get ur facts right..
>So you arent prepared to spend £70 for a machine with two good games and your prepared to fork out £300 for a system with one...next year...>
The Bouncer, Tekken Tag, GT2000, MGS2, DOA2, Unreal Tournament - all first gen games, looking awesome so far. Some not as good as we may have hoped, but excellent nonetheless. I personally have no problem with the number of sequels, as long as they're sequels to secent games - which so far they are, in *my* opinion. >
OK, OK, all on opinions, this IS what all this is about anyway, but u have to see the other side... The Bouncer, I do want this game so no complaints:) altho the graphics look VERY low res, is it just me??Tekken Tag : Well, an awful game and the hugest disappointment ever so lets move on to the superior title.. DOA2: Lovely game but there is only one thing that differs from the DC version, it is HALF the resolution, nope, not TWICE BUT HALF.aaaaah What a disgrace, a PS2 game the exactly the same not beeing ablee to run as good as the SAME DC game...Unreal Tournament: Well, as Daily Radar said, Half Life is looking better than it and thats on the DC so could the DC version of UT be better than PS2??? MGS2: The only original game (apart from the bouncer) that I look forward to.. Very nice but a LONG wait, maybe a short game?
>Do you play games on your toaster??? I suppose the PS2 kinda looks like one!>
AHAHAHA, it does look like one when I turn it on its end! Ha, class, mine don make toast (another disappointment) but it does still look like a toaster!...
I think it looks like a 60s fangled toy but, that IS my opinion.. I will buy a PS2 when it goes down, oh yes, but for now??? DC beckons me to play CV and DOA2.....
bye................
Walk on bab...
Well said, Damo. I think the X-box is the biggest unknown at the moment. StarCube looks good, but I think this 'new' mini-DVD format could affect it. Certainly in Japan, the PS2's DVD capability has helped sales, both of the machine AND DVD's. Nintendo's quirky format could swing either way.
>Babylonian, my opinion of you has drastically decreased as a gamer.. Lets take a few of your points and see why...
Lucky for me that i don't really care, isn't it?
>You should allways listen to others peoples opinion, even if you believe differently but especially when they have experienced it....
Talk about not taking your own advice. I've played Dreamcast, but I was unimpressed by it - as you are by PS2. And I do listen to opinion, which is why I've said that if the games and console suit you, you should stick with it.
>If you are watching DVDs and know how crystal clear they are and how nice they look - would you try and let everyone know and sl@g off VHS??? Yes
Well, personally - no. I have a DVD player, as you already know. It is far better then VHS, yes. But I also have a VCR, which is used regularly, but I accept it is inferior. And I don't go around to my friends houses saying "Your video's crap - you wanna get a DVD player." If they want one, they will buy one - what I say or think is irrelevant.
>Your probably right there but the only game ever to use DVDs that is planned is Kessen, the rest are on normal cds... And, remember that DVDs cost 11 times more to make than cds.... Why not use 11 cds?? More storage, or for that matter, 4 DC GDROMS contains the equal 4GB and is just as easy to use...
Convenience - minimise disc swapping.
>No offence
None taken.
>but the first wave of PS2 games dont look as good as DCs first wave was so what makes you think that its second generation will look as good as the DCs second generation???
The hardware capabilities. Have you compared them? Check out the DC specs, then check out the PS2 specs. 3 million polys/sec on DC versus 75 million (peak) and 20 millon (sustained, with all effects turned on) on PS2. 100MHz more basic processor speed, twice the RAM... hell, if it weren't for the GD-ROM format, I wouldn't be surprised to see an DC emulator on the thing eventually!
StarCube and X-Box will no doubt have better still, Sega's next effort (if there is one) still more, and them PS3 - and then it all starts again.
>And the way the programming is going for PS2 (badly) we might not see PS2s second generation of games untill the CUbe and Xbox have taken over...
Well, maybe not - rumours of 'difficulties' seem to have been greatly exaggerated, according to recent comments by the authors of GT2000 in PSM2. Time will tell.
>aaaahhhh How many times do I have to tell you guys?? The uk ps2 does not contain hardware decoding... They have simpkly put the software in the memory of the system instead of the memory card...
As the PSM2 mag states, the PS2 plays DVD to the quality of a £300 DVD player - which, gaming aside, is exactly what PS2 is. It does not compare to high-end players, and no-one has ever claimed that it did.
FYI, the Emotion Engine processor has an on-board MPEG-2 decoder; now that the DVD-handling software is also on ROM, I'd say that counts as hardware decoding.
>So you arent prepared to spend £70 for a machine with two good games and your prepared to fork out £300 for a system with one...next year...
As I've already said, that is personal opinion. To me, there are several good games due for PS2. You quite obviously feel differently, so you should stick to your DC - I really see no problem here.
The Bouncer, Tekken Tag, GT2000, MGS2, DOA2, Unreal Tournament - all first gen games, looking awesome so far. Some not as good as we may have hoped, but excellent nonetheless. I personally have no problem with the number of sequels, as long as they're sequels to secent games - which so far they are, in *my* opinion.
>Do you play games on your toaster??? I suppose the PS2 kinda looks like one!
Maybe - it also looks like a fan heater when you have it flat, but on its end, I personally think it looks rather stylish. And what beautiful toast it makes, too.
Lucky for me that i don't really care, isn't it?
>You should allways listen to others peoples opinion, even if you believe differently but especially when they have experienced it....
Talk about not taking your own advice. I've played Dreamcast, but I was unimpressed by it - as you are by PS2. And I do listen to opinion, which is why I've said that if the games and console suit you, you should stick with it.
>If you are watching DVDs and know how crystal clear they are and how nice they look - would you try and let everyone know and sl@g off VHS??? Yes
Well, personally - no. I have a DVD player, as you already know. It is far better then VHS, yes. But I also have a VCR, which is used regularly, but I accept it is inferior. And I don't go around to my friends houses saying "Your video's crap - you wanna get a DVD player." If they want one, they will buy one - what I say or think is irrelevant.
>Your probably right there but the only game ever to use DVDs that is planned is Kessen, the rest are on normal cds... And, remember that DVDs cost 11 times more to make than cds.... Why not use 11 cds?? More storage, or for that matter, 4 DC GDROMS contains the equal 4GB and is just as easy to use...
Convenience - minimise disc swapping.
>No offence
None taken.
>but the first wave of PS2 games dont look as good as DCs first wave was so what makes you think that its second generation will look as good as the DCs second generation???
The hardware capabilities. Have you compared them? Check out the DC specs, then check out the PS2 specs. 3 million polys/sec on DC versus 75 million (peak) and 20 millon (sustained, with all effects turned on) on PS2. 100MHz more basic processor speed, twice the RAM... hell, if it weren't for the GD-ROM format, I wouldn't be surprised to see an DC emulator on the thing eventually!
StarCube and X-Box will no doubt have better still, Sega's next effort (if there is one) still more, and them PS3 - and then it all starts again.
>And the way the programming is going for PS2 (badly) we might not see PS2s second generation of games untill the CUbe and Xbox have taken over...
Well, maybe not - rumours of 'difficulties' seem to have been greatly exaggerated, according to recent comments by the authors of GT2000 in PSM2. Time will tell.
>aaaahhhh How many times do I have to tell you guys?? The uk ps2 does not contain hardware decoding... They have simpkly put the software in the memory of the system instead of the memory card...
As the PSM2 mag states, the PS2 plays DVD to the quality of a £300 DVD player - which, gaming aside, is exactly what PS2 is. It does not compare to high-end players, and no-one has ever claimed that it did.
FYI, the Emotion Engine processor has an on-board MPEG-2 decoder; now that the DVD-handling software is also on ROM, I'd say that counts as hardware decoding.
>So you arent prepared to spend £70 for a machine with two good games and your prepared to fork out £300 for a system with one...next year...
As I've already said, that is personal opinion. To me, there are several good games due for PS2. You quite obviously feel differently, so you should stick to your DC - I really see no problem here.
The Bouncer, Tekken Tag, GT2000, MGS2, DOA2, Unreal Tournament - all first gen games, looking awesome so far. Some not as good as we may have hoped, but excellent nonetheless. I personally have no problem with the number of sequels, as long as they're sequels to secent games - which so far they are, in *my* opinion.
>Do you play games on your toaster??? I suppose the PS2 kinda looks like one!
Maybe - it also looks like a fan heater when you have it flat, but on its end, I personally think it looks rather stylish. And what beautiful toast it makes, too.
To be honest, from what I have seen tonight, I now dont believe that by the end of next year it will be a three way fight for superiority in the video games market. These three are:
Microsoft's X-Box
Nintendo Gamecube
Sony PS2.
By the end of next year, I think we will see the death of the Dreamcast, so I believe there is absolutely no point in trying to put the PS2 against the Dreamcast, we should look to the future in the X-Box and Gamecube and see whether they are better or not than the PS2. The PS2 will always sell well in the inital period when it will be on its own so to speak in the video games market- it will completely outsell the Dreamcast due to the superior brand name it carries along with it, even though it may not have the best launch line up than the DC did when it was launched. It also has the added bonus of the emotion engine as its heart and the DVD rom as a media unit, to make it appealing for conumers as a multi-format piece of hardware. Its catalogue of games, in time, will grow to match the Dreamcast easily and with a good catalogue of games and a good reputation as a result of the original Playstation- it will finish off the Dreamcast, even before X-Box and Gamecube are released, which is due to be late next year.
However, when that time arrives, we will truely see how much mettle Sony has. There are two main problems with the PS2 that will put it at a disadvantage against the X-Box and Game cube:
1. Sony have always relied heavily on third party support and consumer brand name. I believe that when X-Box, from Microsoft, a company with a tremendous(and perhaps monopolising) reputation in many areas in the computer industry, will compete with Sony in this area. Currently, X-Box has around 150 third party developers for the machine, and even though Microsoft doesnt have big players like Squaresoft and EA under its wing, it will definately compete with Sony in this area, by producing a huge amount of games, like Sony did with the Playstation.
2. Nintendo has always been favoured to produce quality, not quantity in terms of games, and with Gamecube this will be no exception. Sony however, has been plagued with problems with producing games, particularly with the Playstation, in huge numbers but with poor quality stamped all over them.
I would say that Sony would have to try to market the PS2 as a multimedia device rather than a games console if it is to succeed when Gamecube and X-Box come out late next year, as they will probably be the major players, as their systems have been dubbed as 'pure' games consoles rather than games console/DVD player like the PS2, for the PS2 to be successful. the PS2 will still have great games for it, I feel that the Gamecube and X-Box are too stong for the PS2 to handle if it is marketed by Sony as a stand alone games console, and we may see the end of both Sega and Sony in the computer games industry and show that Microsoft, the minnows of the industry and Nintendo, the gaming giants, come out ontop, infront of the PS2.
Microsoft's X-Box
Nintendo Gamecube
Sony PS2.
By the end of next year, I think we will see the death of the Dreamcast, so I believe there is absolutely no point in trying to put the PS2 against the Dreamcast, we should look to the future in the X-Box and Gamecube and see whether they are better or not than the PS2. The PS2 will always sell well in the inital period when it will be on its own so to speak in the video games market- it will completely outsell the Dreamcast due to the superior brand name it carries along with it, even though it may not have the best launch line up than the DC did when it was launched. It also has the added bonus of the emotion engine as its heart and the DVD rom as a media unit, to make it appealing for conumers as a multi-format piece of hardware. Its catalogue of games, in time, will grow to match the Dreamcast easily and with a good catalogue of games and a good reputation as a result of the original Playstation- it will finish off the Dreamcast, even before X-Box and Gamecube are released, which is due to be late next year.
However, when that time arrives, we will truely see how much mettle Sony has. There are two main problems with the PS2 that will put it at a disadvantage against the X-Box and Game cube:
1. Sony have always relied heavily on third party support and consumer brand name. I believe that when X-Box, from Microsoft, a company with a tremendous(and perhaps monopolising) reputation in many areas in the computer industry, will compete with Sony in this area. Currently, X-Box has around 150 third party developers for the machine, and even though Microsoft doesnt have big players like Squaresoft and EA under its wing, it will definately compete with Sony in this area, by producing a huge amount of games, like Sony did with the Playstation.
2. Nintendo has always been favoured to produce quality, not quantity in terms of games, and with Gamecube this will be no exception. Sony however, has been plagued with problems with producing games, particularly with the Playstation, in huge numbers but with poor quality stamped all over them.
I would say that Sony would have to try to market the PS2 as a multimedia device rather than a games console if it is to succeed when Gamecube and X-Box come out late next year, as they will probably be the major players, as their systems have been dubbed as 'pure' games consoles rather than games console/DVD player like the PS2, for the PS2 to be successful. the PS2 will still have great games for it, I feel that the Gamecube and X-Box are too stong for the PS2 to handle if it is marketed by Sony as a stand alone games console, and we may see the end of both Sega and Sony in the computer games industry and show that Microsoft, the minnows of the industry and Nintendo, the gaming giants, come out ontop, infront of the PS2.
Babylonian, my opinion of you has drastically decreased as a gamer.. Lets take a few of your points and see why...
"You've chosen the dc, and you're happy, so good luck to you. I personally don't care what you, or anyone else, think is the better machine"
You should allways listen to others peoples opinion, even if you believe differently but especially when they have experienced it.... Who knows better what diving into a refreshing pool in the himalayas feels like, the one which does not consider it as it is just `not them` so sl@gs it or the one who has experienced it???
B"But if DC offers you the games you want to play, that's fine; why do people feel the need to put down the opposition? "
If you are watching DVDs and know how crystal clear they are and how nice they look - would you try and let everyone know and sl@g off VHS??? Yes
"I would offer that the primary reason for its inclusion is its data storage capacity of several gigabytes. If the softco's get their collective fingers out, this should make for some truly huge, involving and amazing games."
Your probably right there but the only game ever to use DVDs that is planned is Kessen, the rest are on normal cds... And, remember that DVDs cost 11 times more to make than cds.... Why not use 11 cds?? More storage, or for that matter, 4 DC GDROMS contains the equal 4GB and is just as easy to use... Not as if youl need that much anyway...
"Remember that the DC is already in to its 2nd generation of games, and the PS2 is just beginning. Some of the latest DC games do look beautiful. But the technology in PS2 should mean that content and appearance of its 2nd generation games is even better, particularly when the softco's start using the built-in anti-aliasing"
No offence, but the first wave of PS2 games dont look as good as DCs first wave was so what makes you think that its second generation will look as good as the DCs second generation??? And the way the programming is going for PS2 (badly) we might not see PS2s second generation of games untill the CUbe and Xbox have taken over...
"Jap PS2's have software DVD decoding, so the picture is bound to suffer. For UK/Euro/US units, the DVD capability is in the hardware. As far as I know, no-one has yet seen a UK-spec PS2 running a DVD with the new hardware decoding. If so, claims of poor picture quality - while they may be true of Jap units - will not necessarily apply to us. "
aaaahhhh How many times do I have to tell you guys?? The uk ps2 does not contain hardware decoding... They have simpkly put the software in the memory of the system instead of the memory card... arrrggghhh
"As for Bleem! - well, the DC version will have to be several hundred times better than the PC version to make any real impact. I've tried Bleem! on my PC and have yet to get it to run any game without any problems"
Bleem works fine on my PC but the main reason for not having complete compatibility is that all PCs are different, BUT, all DCs are the same....
"I considered an N64, but there's only two games that interest me - Golden Eye and Perfect Dark - so it's not worth the money to me"
So you arent prepared to spend £70 for a machine with two good games and your prepared to fork out £300 for a system with one...next year...
And there are plenty of decent N64 games -have you ever played winback?
"It's very immature"
hahahaha, this is the best one, you are going on sl@gging a console and saying how great the DC is and then telling us that WE are imature for doing it??? hehe
"Do you have a TV? What make? Sony? LG? Philips? Sanyo? Do you post messages on other discussion forums claiming that "My Sanyo telly is better than your Philips! Nah nah!" ??? Chances are you probably don't. A console is just another piece of consumer electronics at the end of the day, so why treat it any differently? "
Well actually, TV enthusiasts do, what would you rather have, a rubbbbbbbishy Matsui 14" TV or a 28" panasonic widescreen???? And no, they are completely different anyway....
Do you play games on your toaster??? I suppose the PS2 kinda looks like one!
"You've chosen the dc, and you're happy, so good luck to you. I personally don't care what you, or anyone else, think is the better machine"
You should allways listen to others peoples opinion, even if you believe differently but especially when they have experienced it.... Who knows better what diving into a refreshing pool in the himalayas feels like, the one which does not consider it as it is just `not them` so sl@gs it or the one who has experienced it???
B"But if DC offers you the games you want to play, that's fine; why do people feel the need to put down the opposition? "
If you are watching DVDs and know how crystal clear they are and how nice they look - would you try and let everyone know and sl@g off VHS??? Yes
"I would offer that the primary reason for its inclusion is its data storage capacity of several gigabytes. If the softco's get their collective fingers out, this should make for some truly huge, involving and amazing games."
Your probably right there but the only game ever to use DVDs that is planned is Kessen, the rest are on normal cds... And, remember that DVDs cost 11 times more to make than cds.... Why not use 11 cds?? More storage, or for that matter, 4 DC GDROMS contains the equal 4GB and is just as easy to use... Not as if youl need that much anyway...
"Remember that the DC is already in to its 2nd generation of games, and the PS2 is just beginning. Some of the latest DC games do look beautiful. But the technology in PS2 should mean that content and appearance of its 2nd generation games is even better, particularly when the softco's start using the built-in anti-aliasing"
No offence, but the first wave of PS2 games dont look as good as DCs first wave was so what makes you think that its second generation will look as good as the DCs second generation??? And the way the programming is going for PS2 (badly) we might not see PS2s second generation of games untill the CUbe and Xbox have taken over...
"Jap PS2's have software DVD decoding, so the picture is bound to suffer. For UK/Euro/US units, the DVD capability is in the hardware. As far as I know, no-one has yet seen a UK-spec PS2 running a DVD with the new hardware decoding. If so, claims of poor picture quality - while they may be true of Jap units - will not necessarily apply to us. "
aaaahhhh How many times do I have to tell you guys?? The uk ps2 does not contain hardware decoding... They have simpkly put the software in the memory of the system instead of the memory card... arrrggghhh
"As for Bleem! - well, the DC version will have to be several hundred times better than the PC version to make any real impact. I've tried Bleem! on my PC and have yet to get it to run any game without any problems"
Bleem works fine on my PC but the main reason for not having complete compatibility is that all PCs are different, BUT, all DCs are the same....
"I considered an N64, but there's only two games that interest me - Golden Eye and Perfect Dark - so it's not worth the money to me"
So you arent prepared to spend £70 for a machine with two good games and your prepared to fork out £300 for a system with one...next year...
And there are plenty of decent N64 games -have you ever played winback?
"It's very immature"
hahahaha, this is the best one, you are going on sl@gging a console and saying how great the DC is and then telling us that WE are imature for doing it??? hehe
"Do you have a TV? What make? Sony? LG? Philips? Sanyo? Do you post messages on other discussion forums claiming that "My Sanyo telly is better than your Philips! Nah nah!" ??? Chances are you probably don't. A console is just another piece of consumer electronics at the end of the day, so why treat it any differently? "
Well actually, TV enthusiasts do, what would you rather have, a rubbbbbbbishy Matsui 14" TV or a 28" panasonic widescreen???? And no, they are completely different anyway....
Do you play games on your toaster??? I suppose the PS2 kinda looks like one!
Okay, maybe I was a bit hasty in saying that consoles are just consumer electronics. But I was at work at the time, and had to get it done quick!
Bit-wise, the PS2 and DC may be similar, but if you study the specs, there is a significant difference. Granted, specs aren't everything, but *if* you're the type of gamer who is swayed by them, you'll probably aim for the higher counts.
Already people are talking about the StarCube being better than PS2; obviously it will be, because Nintendo have had plenty of time to see what they're up against. However, they have stated that they don't see the PS2 as their competition; they feel that PS2 is more of a home entertainment system, which I suppose with DVD, it is. But then if you really want to look ahead all the time, then Sony have already said that PS3 should feature around (I think - not sure) 30 times the power of PS2.
It's like the PC - just as you've spent £2000 on your new state-of-the-art kit, some git releases something that bit more powerful. There can never be a "best" console, because the boundaries are being shoved backwards all the time.
All that's left is for us punters to decide what's best for us. Nintendo ruled for years, so did Sega. In the last round, the new give on the block - Sony - gave both of them a pasting, and to quote a certain TV character, "They don't like it up 'em!" - hence Sega's rather pathetic DC launch "stunt" of barbequeing dolls of Crash Bandicoot! (That's the day Sega lost credibility with me, I'm afraid.)
As an aside, I was interested in your comment about the DC possibly being the last home hardware from Sega. A few months ago, I read (can't remember where though) that Sega had already said that they would be - or were thinking about - concentrating on arcade hardware only, and would not be producing any consoles after the DC.
Now please understand, I am NOT trying to start a rumour here - I genuinely read such an article *somewhere*. Can anyone verify this?
Bit-wise, the PS2 and DC may be similar, but if you study the specs, there is a significant difference. Granted, specs aren't everything, but *if* you're the type of gamer who is swayed by them, you'll probably aim for the higher counts.
Already people are talking about the StarCube being better than PS2; obviously it will be, because Nintendo have had plenty of time to see what they're up against. However, they have stated that they don't see the PS2 as their competition; they feel that PS2 is more of a home entertainment system, which I suppose with DVD, it is. But then if you really want to look ahead all the time, then Sony have already said that PS3 should feature around (I think - not sure) 30 times the power of PS2.
It's like the PC - just as you've spent £2000 on your new state-of-the-art kit, some git releases something that bit more powerful. There can never be a "best" console, because the boundaries are being shoved backwards all the time.
All that's left is for us punters to decide what's best for us. Nintendo ruled for years, so did Sega. In the last round, the new give on the block - Sony - gave both of them a pasting, and to quote a certain TV character, "They don't like it up 'em!" - hence Sega's rather pathetic DC launch "stunt" of barbequeing dolls of Crash Bandicoot! (That's the day Sega lost credibility with me, I'm afraid.)
As an aside, I was interested in your comment about the DC possibly being the last home hardware from Sega. A few months ago, I read (can't remember where though) that Sega had already said that they would be - or were thinking about - concentrating on arcade hardware only, and would not be producing any consoles after the DC.
Now please understand, I am NOT trying to start a rumour here - I genuinely read such an article *somewhere*. Can anyone verify this?
The Dreamcast does have a lot of things going for it- it does have a very impressive set of games in its catalogue as well as forthcoming titles as well, but there is one small problem that lets it down- reputation. I will not deny that the Dreamcast is a very good console- but without a good reputation to market it, it will never really succeed. Im not saying that Sega havent tried, Im just saying that when you go up against Sony, a company that have had the top selling console for 5 years now in the Playstation- it seems obvious that people are more likely to go for the more "popular" and more famous brand name. Technologically, the Dreamcast and PS2 are very similar, but I feel that they wanted to try to get the jump on Sony because of their reputation by rushing it out with just a CD drive, which is going to always be once the PS2 is released, the fundamental flaw in the Dreamcast. I believe that we are about to witness the last days of Sega as a computer hardware manufacturer once November 24th arrives. Dreamcast is a great machine, but will always be outclassed by the corporate mustle of Sony, plain and simple.
I agree that everybody has different preferences, and I think while it's all very well to buy what YOU want, if there's no support behind the product from the public, then the product will not sell, leaving you with a relatively useless piece of hardware. While this may not be such a problem with TVs (large choice of brands, long life), there is far more pressure on console manufacturers to produce a low-cost machine which faces strong competition, and to make good use of advertising in order to attract games companies to the platform, and to entice us. So far I have not seen effective advertising from Sony for the PS2, and the pre-order scheme has caused a lot of confusion. I agree that the games are what make the console, but if the games companies don't support the console we don't get the games, plus the games have to appeal to a mass market, not just a handful of people. While Dreamcast may be in its 2nd generation, we saw a lot of good quality games at launch. I'm not saying Dreamcast is the better machine at all, I'm just stating that the technology has been implemented better. It's all very well having speed and power in a console, but we need to see the power being used to its potential. Hopefully we'll see this power being used. This is just the start of things to come. A console is not just another piece of consumer electronics. It's the way forward into an exciting future. It will be interesting to hear what other people think about PS2 so far, and what we'll be saying about it in a years time. We're the ones who buy the consoles, so we should support them.
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