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Although the prospect of PS2 may seem exciting, the Dreamcast can easily match its performance. With MSR already making current PS2 racers look more than a tad silly and a huge selection of games already available, Dreamcast still dominates. With the new DVD/DC bundle at a great price, who needs a built-in low spec DVD player?
The PS2 is far too expensive and the DVD drive is merely a gimmick.
As for backwards compatibility, the Bleem! Playstation emulator
for Dreamcast should be available soon, putting pressure on Sony once again. With Microsoft and Nintendo also starting to compete in the console wars this can only be a good thing for the gaming industry.
The PS2 is far too expensive and the DVD drive is merely a gimmick.
As for backwards compatibility, the Bleem! Playstation emulator
for Dreamcast should be available soon, putting pressure on Sony once again. With Microsoft and Nintendo also starting to compete in the console wars this can only be a good thing for the gaming industry.
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I don't recall anyone saying that the GScube was anything to do with gaming; we know it isn't, as it's been designed for broadcasters. What we are saying is that in five years time, it would be nice to have that power condensed into PS3.
If you read the lastest report a couple of days ago on the main Freeola site, you'd know that the GScube was *originally* to consist of 16 processors, but has been re-designed and upgraded to 64.
Also, I don't think GT2000 is a "state". And it is pushing 20 million polys (quoted in both PS mags AND multi-formats), which knocks your "7 million max" comment for six; and - yet again - it is not a finished product!
If you want a nice looking game, check out The Getaway. Photo-realistic and - look, shock horror! - it's anti-aliased, too!
Of course I quote from PS1/PS2 magazines - that's the system I have/will have. I buy dedicated mags (PlayStation and PC) because they're what I own. I occasionally buy Edge, but I don't want to pay out regularly on a mag which is 75% or more irrelevant to me. Anything I want to know abuot other systems, I look up on the web.
If you read the lastest report a couple of days ago on the main Freeola site, you'd know that the GScube was *originally* to consist of 16 processors, but has been re-designed and upgraded to 64.
Also, I don't think GT2000 is a "state". And it is pushing 20 million polys (quoted in both PS mags AND multi-formats), which knocks your "7 million max" comment for six; and - yet again - it is not a finished product!
If you want a nice looking game, check out The Getaway. Photo-realistic and - look, shock horror! - it's anti-aliased, too!
Of course I quote from PS1/PS2 magazines - that's the system I have/will have. I buy dedicated mags (PlayStation and PC) because they're what I own. I occasionally buy Edge, but I don't want to pay out regularly on a mag which is 75% or more irrelevant to me. Anything I want to know abuot other systems, I look up on the web.
The GScube (what a nintendo rip off) is NOTHING to do with games, it is a special effects machine for movies and it contains only 16 PS2 chips and will cost over £50000......
A resident Evil game for the PS2 but Capcom have confirmed that there is a 99% chance it will be the 4th in the series.
EA got loads of money from Sony for not developing for Dreamcast - a hell of a lot but thats what Sony does to win, they use cash, allways have done.
And you get all ur quotes from a PS2 magazine...
Biased??? I think so, try reading CVG and polyphony can hardly oast that programming for the PS2 is easy - look at the state of GT2000 in comparison to MSR or Sega GT, not half as good!
A resident Evil game for the PS2 but Capcom have confirmed that there is a 99% chance it will be the 4th in the series.
EA got loads of money from Sony for not developing for Dreamcast - a hell of a lot but thats what Sony does to win, they use cash, allways have done.
And you get all ur quotes from a PS2 magazine...
Biased??? I think so, try reading CVG and polyphony can hardly oast that programming for the PS2 is easy - look at the state of GT2000 in comparison to MSR or Sega GT, not half as good!
Oh yeah I do agree Babylonian, the GS cube would be absolutely ace as a console, unfortunately its only a prototype at the moment. Did you see the demo they did with it in Japan earlier this year? They had The Matrix on it, and they were manipulating those photo-realistic images in real time- absolutely amazing! Oh yeas it would be bliss to see it in a console- but hwo much will it cost!
>Also, the development of the games depends on the quality of the devlopment kit that is issued
Did you see the info on the PS2 development kit in Play magazine (I think) about 3-4 months ago? It's styled very similar to the PS2 externally, and the cost was around £50,000 I think. It certainly sounded like an interesting piece of kit.
Also, have you seen the updated news about the GScube? 64 PS2's in one box, working in parallel, producing hi-res, real-time, broadcast quality CGI. Sounds like gaming heaven! Now if only Sony can condense that power into a cheaper form for PS3 in 5 years time... ahhh, bliss!
Did you see the info on the PS2 development kit in Play magazine (I think) about 3-4 months ago? It's styled very similar to the PS2 externally, and the cost was around £50,000 I think. It certainly sounded like an interesting piece of kit.
Also, have you seen the updated news about the GScube? 64 PS2's in one box, working in parallel, producing hi-res, real-time, broadcast quality CGI. Sounds like gaming heaven! Now if only Sony can condense that power into a cheaper form for PS3 in 5 years time... ahhh, bliss!
To be honest, what makes not take most of these rumours as face value on the internet is that most of it can be considered as anti-PS2 or whatever console propaganga by console manufacturers trying to undermine their position by making consumers scared to by the system by making them think that the system will not see the best games. Ill elaborate on the EA situation- EA have also decided to snub the Xbox for now as well, which suggests strongly that they have a partnership with Sony(from what I see) to help in the development of their games. Also, the development of the games depends on the quality of the devlopment kit that is issued- as far as I remember, the N64 development wasnt very good at all, which contributed to the dramatic failure of the system, which ultimately decides how good the system is to program for. I agree, due to the success of the playstation and the fact it was easy to develop for(we saw that by the sheer number of games that has come out in the last 5 years for it), but time well tell just how well the console is recieved(the PS2), but I think that next year will be an interesting year for the computer games industry.
>Can I correct you though- Capcom have developed a devlopment tool that greatly speeds up the translation of DC code to PS2, so you never know, we may see possibly the best Resident Evil game on the PS2.
It's not me you're correcting, it's Tigerblade.
I'm fairly certain that RE:CV - or a version of it - will appear on PS2, whatever the development time. Quite simply, it will be too big a market for them to miss.
Along those lines, I never quite understood EA's decision to concentrate on PS2 and not to develop at all for Dreamcast. I know they're hardly short of a few quid, but there are millions of Dreamcast owners around the world, and it's hard to believe that such a major company could snub (a) that many people, and (b) the huge revenue they could have made.
Returning to the development issue, what I've been reading recently in mags and on the web would seem to indicate that the "difficult development" on PS2 has been exaggerated. In PSM2, one company has said that they enjoy developing for it because of the power it offers, and the GT2000 team have said that it's really not very difficult at all.
As I've posted elsewhere, the PS1 was/is supposed to be very easy to develop for, and I can't really see Sony taking a backward step in that area. Time - and developer comments - will tell.
It's not me you're correcting, it's Tigerblade.
I'm fairly certain that RE:CV - or a version of it - will appear on PS2, whatever the development time. Quite simply, it will be too big a market for them to miss.
Along those lines, I never quite understood EA's decision to concentrate on PS2 and not to develop at all for Dreamcast. I know they're hardly short of a few quid, but there are millions of Dreamcast owners around the world, and it's hard to believe that such a major company could snub (a) that many people, and (b) the huge revenue they could have made.
Returning to the development issue, what I've been reading recently in mags and on the web would seem to indicate that the "difficult development" on PS2 has been exaggerated. In PSM2, one company has said that they enjoy developing for it because of the power it offers, and the GT2000 team have said that it's really not very difficult at all.
As I've posted elsewhere, the PS1 was/is supposed to be very easy to develop for, and I can't really see Sony taking a backward step in that area. Time - and developer comments - will tell.
Babylonian, I respect and probably agree with what you said- I agree that the first is most of the time always the best in a series of games, and MOST of the true classics of the past five years have appeared on the Playstation- namely Final Fantasy VII, Wipeout, GT 2, well probably the list is endless. I do hope also that Capcom port RE: Code Veronica onto the PS2, I personally think its the best in the series in creating a truely "horrific" atmosphere- and it would be a real shame if we didnt see it on PS2. Can I correct you though- Capcom have developed a devlopment tool that greatly speeds up the translation of DC code to PS2, so you never know, we may see possibly the best Resident Evil game on the PS2. I know that people keep slagging off the PS2 for its crummy launch line up, but I think they have ignored one little phrase which instantly springs to mind in my case- "The best things come to those who wait...". I think you should stick and get a PS2 if you are so passionate about it go out and get it! Think of the games that are due out next year on PS2- Final Fantasy X and XI(eleven when the internet functions of the PS2 are enabled), MGS2, a Playstation 2 exclusive which looks quite honestly amazing, an RE game, Wipeout Fusion- which is set to run in PAL format at at LEAST 60 frames per second, The Bouncer, which is looking like admittedly one of the few original games of the bunch, Silent Hill 2, well to be honest the list is endless.
I have to admit that there seem to be a lot of very angry pro-DC people absolutely slagging off the PS2, and perhaps every computer games system that has or ever will be released- you have to say that these people have very closed minds and not open to every possibility. I will admit I do like the DC, but to be honest, it already has out of date hardware- the most important of which is the modem- if the modem only runs at 36.6 KBPS, how can it possibly be any good to runs games like Half Life, which is coming out at the end of this year on DC, over the internet? I dont think so. If you look at what console to buy, you should be open minded and look at everything before you buy, I like all of them- DC, PS2, Xbox and Gamecube in different ways, and as I have only a few pennies to rub together I can only buy one. Im glad im getting the PS2 bought for me for Christmas, lucky me! But which one will I buy next? I know that Ill have to get one of the other two, but if they all are going to be internet capable, my phone bill will probably cost more than the console will. Youre right Babylonian though, its not what outside that counts, its whats inside that does- remember "beauty is only skin deep!"
I have to admit that there seem to be a lot of very angry pro-DC people absolutely slagging off the PS2, and perhaps every computer games system that has or ever will be released- you have to say that these people have very closed minds and not open to every possibility. I will admit I do like the DC, but to be honest, it already has out of date hardware- the most important of which is the modem- if the modem only runs at 36.6 KBPS, how can it possibly be any good to runs games like Half Life, which is coming out at the end of this year on DC, over the internet? I dont think so. If you look at what console to buy, you should be open minded and look at everything before you buy, I like all of them- DC, PS2, Xbox and Gamecube in different ways, and as I have only a few pennies to rub together I can only buy one. Im glad im getting the PS2 bought for me for Christmas, lucky me! But which one will I buy next? I know that Ill have to get one of the other two, but if they all are going to be internet capable, my phone bill will probably cost more than the console will. Youre right Babylonian though, its not what outside that counts, its whats inside that does- remember "beauty is only skin deep!"
>OK, I dont like arguing with people but I am SO frustrated as I really believe that Sega deserve the best from their efforts, actually,
No argument. I have nothing against Sega or Nintendo, for that matter - after all, where would the home gaming market be without them? I once had a Gameboy, might get a Gameboy Advance, still have my Game Gear, and would have walked out of Game with a Saturn five years ago had I not seen the PlayStation running Wipeout.
This is *my personal take* on things, if you're interested...
There are some very good games on all the formats. But for me, the majority of titles on Nintendo and Sega machines seem to be aimed at the younger audience: Sonic, Donkey Kong, Pokemon, Mario. I enjoy more adult-oriented games, and Sony have more under their belt. Such games don't really go with Sega or Nintendo's image, and it's only fairly recently that such games (RE:CV, Perfect Dark) have started to appear.
I am 29 years old, computers are my life (I am a programmer), and have been playing games since I was 8 - VIC-20, Commodore 64, Amiga, PC, PlayStation - and eventually, PS2.
I could easily afford ALL of the platforms, but decided to choose one and stick with it. *For me* the majority of the games I want to play are on Sony's formats: all Resident Evil games, all Tomb Raider games, Tekken 3, both MGS titles, Syphon Filter 1 & 2, GT1, GT2, GT2000, V-Rally 2, TOCA, the Wipeout series, the Oddworld titles, Time Crisis.
Yes, some of these have appeared on other formats, but generally Sony had them first. Okay, so there are similar titles on other formats, but *these* are the titles *I* like and want.
For whatever reasons, you were obviously very disappointed with your PS2; that doesn't mean it's utter sh!te and that no one else will appreciate it either.
Yes, I like Sony, and would say I am a loyal fan; but that doesn't mean I am blinkered enough to completely reject the idea of owning another brand of console. *IF* games that I really want to play appear in large enough numbers on other machines, of course I will consider buying another console - but at the moment, that is not the case.
I'm sure there are some very good games on Dreamcast, and Code Veronica is one game I would like to play, but at the moment it's the only one, and I'm not willing to pay out around £170 for the priviledge. There are enough games that *I* like coming to PS2, so for me personally that outlay is justified
>If u say the DC is dead and yet it is better than the PS2 then what happens to it???
I don't recall saying that DC is dead, but I honestly feel it may struggle.
>What did u play on the DC??
Ready 2 Rumble, Crazy Taxi, and that Ferrari game...
>and if u werent impressed by that, imagine how youll feel when u get your PS2...
Pretty good, I reckon. This is what I mean - it is wrong for you to assume that everyone else will be as disappointed as you were. Presumably you have/had a Jap PS2? All I ask is that you remember that several changes have been made to UK machines, and things could be different.
Granted, Tekken Tag isn't the major breakthrough we'd all hoped, but it is supposed to be much better than the arcade machine. I'll have it because I enjoy the Tekken games, but a Tekken 4 should be awesome.
Also, remember that many of PS1's best games came from UK & European software houses - give them a chance to launch some finished products before you slap down all PS2 software.
>And I do listen to your opinions, and there must be some reson behind them so I am actually considering a PS2 now!
Fair enough, but why? You've owned one, and run it down so much that I am genuinely surprised that you say this.
>So, they havent even seen your DVD player, or u havent showed it to them and said how wonderful it is??Yea, believing ya man.
Well, yes and no. One friend immediately bought a Creative hardware decoder and drive for his PC, the other has a DVD-ROM in his PC but won't buy a player because "the discs are too expensive".
>Its actually 7 million at the height of the best graphics (just slightly better than DC)
Well, it's 20 million according to the official spec sheet; but even at 7 million, I make that around double Dreamcast - not slightly more.
>Ill raise the BIG fact that you have overlooked... The VRAm on the graphics processor. It is 4MB on the PS2 BUT on the DC it is 8MB, 3MB of this is used in rendering so for normal textures, the PS2 dont even come close. 1 MB against 5MB???
But with the speed that the Emotion Engine and Graphics Synthesizer shift data in and out of that memory (several GB/sec)...
>and that is all that matters when making a game look nice, that and antialiasing and Sega seem to be the winner.
But PS2 does do hardware anti-aliasing.
>Well GT2000 aint looking as good as MSR is it???
I can't comment as I haven't seen MSR, but remember that GT2000 is still in development; is MSR a final, released product?
>Capcom said that it would take 10 times more work and time to make Code:Veronica on the PS2..Even a convrsion would take longer than creation of the DC version!
Doesn't mean it won't happen, though.
>HAHAHAH, you can get a `high end region free player` for £150, dont exagerate
Good picture quality, DTS/Dolby 5.1 for £150? Last known-brand DVD I saw for £150 had stereo output and that was it. While you'll probably always be able to get a player chipped, as I understand it, region-free won't be available 'off-the-shelf' for much longer, as the bloody film companies are clamping down on it. :-(
>HAHAH, a decoder is a seperate chip, it can not be contained in a processor, hich is all the `emotion chip` is... So, no, it IS software decoding, get ur facts right..
Go to the Sony site and check the specs/facts for yourself. I looked before I posted.
>DOA2: Lovely game but there is only one thing that differs from the DC version, it is HALF the resolution, >Not what the mags say (including an issue of Edge a few months back - just so you know I'm not only quoting PS mags)
>Well, as Daily Radar said
To be honest, DR carries little weight with me, as I received a torrent of anti-PS2 abuse on their forums, for a simple post regarding PS2, from someone who was actually one of their forum admins. I don't mind it from normal posters, but think it's unacceptable from 'officials' who should know better.
>I think it looks like a 60s fangled toy but, that IS my opinion..
Fair enough, matey. But you gotta admit, it's what's inside the box that counts - whatever your preference.
No argument. I have nothing against Sega or Nintendo, for that matter - after all, where would the home gaming market be without them? I once had a Gameboy, might get a Gameboy Advance, still have my Game Gear, and would have walked out of Game with a Saturn five years ago had I not seen the PlayStation running Wipeout.
This is *my personal take* on things, if you're interested...
There are some very good games on all the formats. But for me, the majority of titles on Nintendo and Sega machines seem to be aimed at the younger audience: Sonic, Donkey Kong, Pokemon, Mario. I enjoy more adult-oriented games, and Sony have more under their belt. Such games don't really go with Sega or Nintendo's image, and it's only fairly recently that such games (RE:CV, Perfect Dark) have started to appear.
I am 29 years old, computers are my life (I am a programmer), and have been playing games since I was 8 - VIC-20, Commodore 64, Amiga, PC, PlayStation - and eventually, PS2.
I could easily afford ALL of the platforms, but decided to choose one and stick with it. *For me* the majority of the games I want to play are on Sony's formats: all Resident Evil games, all Tomb Raider games, Tekken 3, both MGS titles, Syphon Filter 1 & 2, GT1, GT2, GT2000, V-Rally 2, TOCA, the Wipeout series, the Oddworld titles, Time Crisis.
Yes, some of these have appeared on other formats, but generally Sony had them first. Okay, so there are similar titles on other formats, but *these* are the titles *I* like and want.
For whatever reasons, you were obviously very disappointed with your PS2; that doesn't mean it's utter sh!te and that no one else will appreciate it either.
Yes, I like Sony, and would say I am a loyal fan; but that doesn't mean I am blinkered enough to completely reject the idea of owning another brand of console. *IF* games that I really want to play appear in large enough numbers on other machines, of course I will consider buying another console - but at the moment, that is not the case.
I'm sure there are some very good games on Dreamcast, and Code Veronica is one game I would like to play, but at the moment it's the only one, and I'm not willing to pay out around £170 for the priviledge. There are enough games that *I* like coming to PS2, so for me personally that outlay is justified
>If u say the DC is dead and yet it is better than the PS2 then what happens to it???
I don't recall saying that DC is dead, but I honestly feel it may struggle.
>What did u play on the DC??
Ready 2 Rumble, Crazy Taxi, and that Ferrari game...
>and if u werent impressed by that, imagine how youll feel when u get your PS2...
Pretty good, I reckon. This is what I mean - it is wrong for you to assume that everyone else will be as disappointed as you were. Presumably you have/had a Jap PS2? All I ask is that you remember that several changes have been made to UK machines, and things could be different.
Granted, Tekken Tag isn't the major breakthrough we'd all hoped, but it is supposed to be much better than the arcade machine. I'll have it because I enjoy the Tekken games, but a Tekken 4 should be awesome.
Also, remember that many of PS1's best games came from UK & European software houses - give them a chance to launch some finished products before you slap down all PS2 software.
>And I do listen to your opinions, and there must be some reson behind them so I am actually considering a PS2 now!
Fair enough, but why? You've owned one, and run it down so much that I am genuinely surprised that you say this.
>So, they havent even seen your DVD player, or u havent showed it to them and said how wonderful it is??Yea, believing ya man.
Well, yes and no. One friend immediately bought a Creative hardware decoder and drive for his PC, the other has a DVD-ROM in his PC but won't buy a player because "the discs are too expensive".
>Its actually 7 million at the height of the best graphics (just slightly better than DC)
Well, it's 20 million according to the official spec sheet; but even at 7 million, I make that around double Dreamcast - not slightly more.
>Ill raise the BIG fact that you have overlooked... The VRAm on the graphics processor. It is 4MB on the PS2 BUT on the DC it is 8MB, 3MB of this is used in rendering so for normal textures, the PS2 dont even come close. 1 MB against 5MB???
But with the speed that the Emotion Engine and Graphics Synthesizer shift data in and out of that memory (several GB/sec)...
>and that is all that matters when making a game look nice, that and antialiasing and Sega seem to be the winner.
But PS2 does do hardware anti-aliasing.
>Well GT2000 aint looking as good as MSR is it???
I can't comment as I haven't seen MSR, but remember that GT2000 is still in development; is MSR a final, released product?
>Capcom said that it would take 10 times more work and time to make Code:Veronica on the PS2..Even a convrsion would take longer than creation of the DC version!
Doesn't mean it won't happen, though.
>HAHAHAH, you can get a `high end region free player` for £150, dont exagerate
Good picture quality, DTS/Dolby 5.1 for £150? Last known-brand DVD I saw for £150 had stereo output and that was it. While you'll probably always be able to get a player chipped, as I understand it, region-free won't be available 'off-the-shelf' for much longer, as the bloody film companies are clamping down on it. :-(
>HAHAH, a decoder is a seperate chip, it can not be contained in a processor, hich is all the `emotion chip` is... So, no, it IS software decoding, get ur facts right..
>DOA2: Lovely game but there is only one thing that differs from the DC version, it is HALF the resolution, >Not what the mags say (including an issue of Edge a few months back - just so you know I'm not only quoting PS mags)
>Well, as Daily Radar said
To be honest, DR carries little weight with me, as I received a torrent of anti-PS2 abuse on their forums, for a simple post regarding PS2, from someone who was actually one of their forum admins. I don't mind it from normal posters, but think it's unacceptable from 'officials' who should know better.
>I think it looks like a 60s fangled toy but, that IS my opinion..
Fair enough, matey. But you gotta admit, it's what's inside the box that counts - whatever your preference.
Richt, that "fireworks" game is called Fantavision and to be honest it isnt that good at all. Resident Evil: Code Veronica is being converted to PS2, thats the RE game you was referring to. Silent Hill 2 is coming out late next year on PS2, and is possibly a launch title on X-Box. The DVD player should be better for the European launch as the software is built into the hardware, will make it of a better quality, but we wont know that until the US launch late next month.
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