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While we are all listening to today’s music, spare a thought for the music of yesteryear. We have gone through the evolutionary cycle over the past tens of years. We’ve had the craze of swing, jazz, classic, rock, and pop.
The latest additions being rap, or to put it another way, “see how many swear words we can fit into a song, and see if it climbs the charts”. This is the primary target for many of the headstrong singers we see today, and when it started with Eminem, it has since snowballed its way in to every young teenagers stereo, and in to the minds of enraged parents who are still trying to desensitize it today.
With rap being the in-thing, people are trying bolder and more darish acts of vulgarism; even singers who don’t usually use it are doing so for the springboard of their new acts.
With rappers having a great influence on youngsters’ lives, they are also encouraging them to act in a different way, which is usually to swear when they can, and to not respect their Mums and Dads. With me being a teenager myself, you would think it to be unusual for me to complain, but the fact is, I can still listen to any type of song, and not be influenced in any way by its lyrics or intentions to encourage.
We have seen kids turn from perfectly loveable sons and daughters, in to headstrong, violent people who think they are above everybody else. I don’t of course include everyone in that assumption, but it is in the majority of kids’ minds to act in a non-positive way.
For example, it is youth culture to walk around in gangs, with hoods firmly placed over their heads, and socks outside their pants. You might say that is the way they like to dress, but it is normally not that way, and they would tell you that they like it, but fact is, it is their friends who are influenced by the rappers dress sense and vulgarity in song, and this in turn influences the normal, down to earth boy to dress like and act like his mates.
It all boils down to; and comes back to, rappers. They are the ones who dress abnormally, and swear whenever they can, and the teenagers think it is “cool” to follow that act. However, ask any self-respecting person who they respect more, and they will say the kid who isn’t influenced by his friends, the kid who lives and thinks for himself, without letting others do it for him, and most importantly, the kid who is able to respect his environment and the people who live within it. Many teenagers find it hard to do even that these days, and it is that which is leading the world in to moral-decay, because it those same teenagers who will be running for World leader, and who will be our managers in shops and offices.
What is needed is for at least some of them to just be themselves. Stop the latest gimmicks; stop the mindless pollution of hate, which unfortunately has now categorized all young people. If this was asked however, it would be laughed at in a group, but when that kid got home, he would think strongly about doing it, but then realize that it would take his “street cred” down by doing so.
Maybe if that person was to put those rap CD's away, he might have a chance to look at the real world, hopefully in time to find that their friends and family still like them for the person that they used to be.
The latest additions being rap, or to put it another way, “see how many swear words we can fit into a song, and see if it climbs the charts”. This is the primary target for many of the headstrong singers we see today, and when it started with Eminem, it has since snowballed its way in to every young teenagers stereo, and in to the minds of enraged parents who are still trying to desensitize it today.
With rap being the in-thing, people are trying bolder and more darish acts of vulgarism; even singers who don’t usually use it are doing so for the springboard of their new acts.
With rappers having a great influence on youngsters’ lives, they are also encouraging them to act in a different way, which is usually to swear when they can, and to not respect their Mums and Dads. With me being a teenager myself, you would think it to be unusual for me to complain, but the fact is, I can still listen to any type of song, and not be influenced in any way by its lyrics or intentions to encourage.
We have seen kids turn from perfectly loveable sons and daughters, in to headstrong, violent people who think they are above everybody else. I don’t of course include everyone in that assumption, but it is in the majority of kids’ minds to act in a non-positive way.
For example, it is youth culture to walk around in gangs, with hoods firmly placed over their heads, and socks outside their pants. You might say that is the way they like to dress, but it is normally not that way, and they would tell you that they like it, but fact is, it is their friends who are influenced by the rappers dress sense and vulgarity in song, and this in turn influences the normal, down to earth boy to dress like and act like his mates.
It all boils down to; and comes back to, rappers. They are the ones who dress abnormally, and swear whenever they can, and the teenagers think it is “cool” to follow that act. However, ask any self-respecting person who they respect more, and they will say the kid who isn’t influenced by his friends, the kid who lives and thinks for himself, without letting others do it for him, and most importantly, the kid who is able to respect his environment and the people who live within it. Many teenagers find it hard to do even that these days, and it is that which is leading the world in to moral-decay, because it those same teenagers who will be running for World leader, and who will be our managers in shops and offices.
What is needed is for at least some of them to just be themselves. Stop the latest gimmicks; stop the mindless pollution of hate, which unfortunately has now categorized all young people. If this was asked however, it would be laughed at in a group, but when that kid got home, he would think strongly about doing it, but then realize that it would take his “street cred” down by doing so.
Maybe if that person was to put those rap CD's away, he might have a chance to look at the real world, hopefully in time to find that their friends and family still like them for the person that they used to be.
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Mr. Nice Guy wrote:
> MoJoJoJo wrote:
It's not just parents, you can't blame them. It's their
> upbringing in general. You can have the best parents in the world, but if you
> live in a rough estate,
it's bound to affect you. If they have a friend, you
> know the kind, the kid who's always starting fires and bricking windows, than
> they affect them too. Every single thing a kid sees and hears affects them while
> they're growing up.
So it's Society's fault, unless they're mental, in which
> case it's no-ones fault (sick of people blaming society for mental
> people)
I totally disagree with that. My brother has a drink problem,
> smokes, has a drug problem, money troubles, criminal record and no GCSEs. I've
> had to live with him for 15 years. Am I anything like him?!? No. I don't
> drink, never smoked, never taken any illegal drugs, no criminal record and a
> decent reputation from all the teachers at my school.
Yes, but did you have the same friends as him? Did you listen to the same music, watch the same TV, hang around with the same people? I doubt it
"people wearing Nike, FCUK"
Ha ha, they just banned FCUK stuff at my school, they say it's offensive... pft
> MoJoJoJo wrote:
It's not just parents, you can't blame them. It's their
> upbringing in general. You can have the best parents in the world, but if you
> live in a rough estate,
it's bound to affect you. If they have a friend, you
> know the kind, the kid who's always starting fires and bricking windows, than
> they affect them too. Every single thing a kid sees and hears affects them while
> they're growing up.
So it's Society's fault, unless they're mental, in which
> case it's no-ones fault (sick of people blaming society for mental
> people)
I totally disagree with that. My brother has a drink problem,
> smokes, has a drug problem, money troubles, criminal record and no GCSEs. I've
> had to live with him for 15 years. Am I anything like him?!? No. I don't
> drink, never smoked, never taken any illegal drugs, no criminal record and a
> decent reputation from all the teachers at my school.
Yes, but did you have the same friends as him? Did you listen to the same music, watch the same TV, hang around with the same people? I doubt it
"people wearing Nike, FCUK"
Ha ha, they just banned FCUK stuff at my school, they say it's offensive... pft
MoJoJoJo wrote:
It's not just parents, you can't blame them. It's their upbringing in general. You can have the best parents in the world, but if you live in a rough estate,
it's bound to affect you. If they have a friend, you know the kind, the kid who's always starting fires and bricking windows, than they affect them too. Every single thing a kid sees and hears affects them while they're growing up.
So it's Society's fault, unless they're mental, in which case it's no-ones fault (sick of people blaming society for mental people)
I totally disagree with that. My brother has a drink problem, smokes, has a drug problem, money troubles, criminal record and no GCSEs. I've had to live with him for 15 years. Am I anything like him?!? No. I don't drink, never smoked, never taken any illegal drugs, no criminal record and a decent reputation from all the teachers at my school.
It's not just parents, you can't blame them. It's their upbringing in general. You can have the best parents in the world, but if you live in a rough estate,
it's bound to affect you. If they have a friend, you know the kind, the kid who's always starting fires and bricking windows, than they affect them too. Every single thing a kid sees and hears affects them while they're growing up.
So it's Society's fault, unless they're mental, in which case it's no-ones fault (sick of people blaming society for mental people)
I totally disagree with that. My brother has a drink problem, smokes, has a drug problem, money troubles, criminal record and no GCSEs. I've had to live with him for 15 years. Am I anything like him?!? No. I don't drink, never smoked, never taken any illegal drugs, no criminal record and a decent reputation from all the teachers at my school.
I have some agreement here, but I don't entirely think you are right.
The people in the hoodies and all that stuff are generally those listening to the nu-metal craze and all that, but someone said they just look pathetic etc. but said they agree that it is better for a kid to live their own lives and make their own decisions rather than following the crowd. But what if this kid who dresses in hoodies, or whatever is doing it because they feel comfortable that way, not because of following the crowd?
I would say many people are dressing to follow the crowd, but this applies just as much to people wearing Nike, FCUK, etc. brand clothing as it does to people wearing hoodies, baggy shorts, etc.
Now onto the actual music...
you can't limit to one particular genre, rap often has swearing just for the sake of it, like some alternative rock, nu-metal, etc.
But I'm sure some music in these genres actually does have some kind of meaning behind it, and it's not just macho pretenses. And also, it is just as bad listening to most pop music. You may think pop music has no ill effects, but I don't think I've heard a pop song with any meaning to it. All it teaches kids is that to be anyone you have to be 'cool' (ie. follow the crowd) and that just about everything is superficial. This can make people just as much an idiot as thinking swearing makes you hard can.
The person who said rap is not an art form, I don't actually like rap, but art is different things to different people, as is music. It's an opinion, and everyone is entitled to their own. Isn't that what you agreed on when saying that kids should make their own decisions, and not just dress/act/etc. like their friends?
And whoever said that people who dress up in black are just showing they're morons... what? Whay judge a person on how they look? Maybe they don't think it looks cool, maybe they just feel comfortable dressing that way, or THEY like it... I think a lot of people who have posted in this topic are saying that it is good for kids to make their own decisions, but then never stop to think that maybe some ARE making their own decisions, and aren't doing it just because they think it is cool. You should open your minds, and not throw everyone who looks alike into the same catagory.
The people in the hoodies and all that stuff are generally those listening to the nu-metal craze and all that, but someone said they just look pathetic etc. but said they agree that it is better for a kid to live their own lives and make their own decisions rather than following the crowd. But what if this kid who dresses in hoodies, or whatever is doing it because they feel comfortable that way, not because of following the crowd?
I would say many people are dressing to follow the crowd, but this applies just as much to people wearing Nike, FCUK, etc. brand clothing as it does to people wearing hoodies, baggy shorts, etc.
Now onto the actual music...
you can't limit to one particular genre, rap often has swearing just for the sake of it, like some alternative rock, nu-metal, etc.
But I'm sure some music in these genres actually does have some kind of meaning behind it, and it's not just macho pretenses. And also, it is just as bad listening to most pop music. You may think pop music has no ill effects, but I don't think I've heard a pop song with any meaning to it. All it teaches kids is that to be anyone you have to be 'cool' (ie. follow the crowd) and that just about everything is superficial. This can make people just as much an idiot as thinking swearing makes you hard can.
The person who said rap is not an art form, I don't actually like rap, but art is different things to different people, as is music. It's an opinion, and everyone is entitled to their own. Isn't that what you agreed on when saying that kids should make their own decisions, and not just dress/act/etc. like their friends?
And whoever said that people who dress up in black are just showing they're morons... what? Whay judge a person on how they look? Maybe they don't think it looks cool, maybe they just feel comfortable dressing that way, or THEY like it... I think a lot of people who have posted in this topic are saying that it is good for kids to make their own decisions, but then never stop to think that maybe some ARE making their own decisions, and aren't doing it just because they think it is cool. You should open your minds, and not throw everyone who looks alike into the same catagory.
It's not just parents, you can't blame them. It's their upbringing in general. You can have the best parents in the world, but if you live in a rough estate, it's bound to affect you. If they have a friend, you know the kind, the kid who's always starting fires and bricking windows, than they affect them too. Every single thing a kid sees and hears affects them while they're growing up. So it's Society's fault, unless they're mental, in which case it's no-ones fault (sick of people blaming society for mental people)
It is so annoying especially when the 8-years olds are barely out of diapers, and they think that they can do whatever they want. When people say "I blame the parents", I am inclined to agree, although there is only a certain degree to which that sentence rings true
DaveyDenton wrote:
> the funnyist thing to see is a bunch of 8-12 year olds walk into your shop
> wearing
System of a down shirts
Korn jackets
Slip knot trousers etc.
It's funny, I agree. Firstly, eight-year-olds shouldn't be listening to music of that content, and secondly, they think it's cool to dress up black, when all you're doing is drawing attention to yourself that you're a moron.
I
> would wish that someone gunned all the bands down but that wouldnt be a nice
> thing to hope for :(
its a twisted state of afairs whe you have to respect
> everyones right to choose.
Are you mocking System of a Down?
Nice post S2G. Now get on MSN damn you!
> the funnyist thing to see is a bunch of 8-12 year olds walk into your shop
> wearing
System of a down shirts
Korn jackets
Slip knot trousers etc.
It's funny, I agree. Firstly, eight-year-olds shouldn't be listening to music of that content, and secondly, they think it's cool to dress up black, when all you're doing is drawing attention to yourself that you're a moron.
I
> would wish that someone gunned all the bands down but that wouldnt be a nice
> thing to hope for :(
its a twisted state of afairs whe you have to respect
> everyones right to choose.
Are you mocking System of a Down?
Nice post S2G. Now get on MSN damn you!
i agree strongly with this thread. Well said!
also i agree with davey here v
also i agree with davey here v
the funnyist thing to see is a bunch of 8-12 year olds walk into your shop wearing
System of a down shirts
Korn jackets
Slip knot trousers etc.
DO THEY HAVE ANY IDEA HOW STUPID AND PATHETIC THEY LOOK
i agree very strongly with you and i think its comical to consider rap an art form or at least to consider it music.
These bands prey on weak minded indiviuals who cant take the strains of modern life and want to act older than they are by emulating these bands.
I would wish that someone gunned all the bands down but that wouldnt be a nice thing to hope for :(
its a twisted state of afairs whe you have to respect everyones right to choose.
System of a down shirts
Korn jackets
Slip knot trousers etc.
DO THEY HAVE ANY IDEA HOW STUPID AND PATHETIC THEY LOOK
i agree very strongly with you and i think its comical to consider rap an art form or at least to consider it music.
These bands prey on weak minded indiviuals who cant take the strains of modern life and want to act older than they are by emulating these bands.
I would wish that someone gunned all the bands down but that wouldnt be a nice thing to hope for :(
its a twisted state of afairs whe you have to respect everyones right to choose.
While we are all listening to today’s music, spare a thought for the music of yesteryear. We have gone through the evolutionary cycle over the past tens of years. We’ve had the craze of swing, jazz, classic, rock, and pop.
The latest additions being rap, or to put it another way, “see how many swear words we can fit into a song, and see if it climbs the charts”. This is the primary target for many of the headstrong singers we see today, and when it started with Eminem, it has since snowballed its way in to every young teenagers stereo, and in to the minds of enraged parents who are still trying to desensitize it today.
With rap being the in-thing, people are trying bolder and more darish acts of vulgarism; even singers who don’t usually use it are doing so for the springboard of their new acts.
With rappers having a great influence on youngsters’ lives, they are also encouraging them to act in a different way, which is usually to swear when they can, and to not respect their Mums and Dads. With me being a teenager myself, you would think it to be unusual for me to complain, but the fact is, I can still listen to any type of song, and not be influenced in any way by its lyrics or intentions to encourage.
We have seen kids turn from perfectly loveable sons and daughters, in to headstrong, violent people who think they are above everybody else. I don’t of course include everyone in that assumption, but it is in the majority of kids’ minds to act in a non-positive way.
For example, it is youth culture to walk around in gangs, with hoods firmly placed over their heads, and socks outside their pants. You might say that is the way they like to dress, but it is normally not that way, and they would tell you that they like it, but fact is, it is their friends who are influenced by the rappers dress sense and vulgarity in song, and this in turn influences the normal, down to earth boy to dress like and act like his mates.
It all boils down to; and comes back to, rappers. They are the ones who dress abnormally, and swear whenever they can, and the teenagers think it is “cool” to follow that act. However, ask any self-respecting person who they respect more, and they will say the kid who isn’t influenced by his friends, the kid who lives and thinks for himself, without letting others do it for him, and most importantly, the kid who is able to respect his environment and the people who live within it. Many teenagers find it hard to do even that these days, and it is that which is leading the world in to moral-decay, because it those same teenagers who will be running for World leader, and who will be our managers in shops and offices.
What is needed is for at least some of them to just be themselves. Stop the latest gimmicks; stop the mindless pollution of hate, which unfortunately has now categorized all young people. If this was asked however, it would be laughed at in a group, but when that kid got home, he would think strongly about doing it, but then realize that it would take his “street cred” down by doing so.
Maybe if that person was to put those rap CD's away, he might have a chance to look at the real world, hopefully in time to find that their friends and family still like them for the person that they used to be.
The latest additions being rap, or to put it another way, “see how many swear words we can fit into a song, and see if it climbs the charts”. This is the primary target for many of the headstrong singers we see today, and when it started with Eminem, it has since snowballed its way in to every young teenagers stereo, and in to the minds of enraged parents who are still trying to desensitize it today.
With rap being the in-thing, people are trying bolder and more darish acts of vulgarism; even singers who don’t usually use it are doing so for the springboard of their new acts.
With rappers having a great influence on youngsters’ lives, they are also encouraging them to act in a different way, which is usually to swear when they can, and to not respect their Mums and Dads. With me being a teenager myself, you would think it to be unusual for me to complain, but the fact is, I can still listen to any type of song, and not be influenced in any way by its lyrics or intentions to encourage.
We have seen kids turn from perfectly loveable sons and daughters, in to headstrong, violent people who think they are above everybody else. I don’t of course include everyone in that assumption, but it is in the majority of kids’ minds to act in a non-positive way.
For example, it is youth culture to walk around in gangs, with hoods firmly placed over their heads, and socks outside their pants. You might say that is the way they like to dress, but it is normally not that way, and they would tell you that they like it, but fact is, it is their friends who are influenced by the rappers dress sense and vulgarity in song, and this in turn influences the normal, down to earth boy to dress like and act like his mates.
It all boils down to; and comes back to, rappers. They are the ones who dress abnormally, and swear whenever they can, and the teenagers think it is “cool” to follow that act. However, ask any self-respecting person who they respect more, and they will say the kid who isn’t influenced by his friends, the kid who lives and thinks for himself, without letting others do it for him, and most importantly, the kid who is able to respect his environment and the people who live within it. Many teenagers find it hard to do even that these days, and it is that which is leading the world in to moral-decay, because it those same teenagers who will be running for World leader, and who will be our managers in shops and offices.
What is needed is for at least some of them to just be themselves. Stop the latest gimmicks; stop the mindless pollution of hate, which unfortunately has now categorized all young people. If this was asked however, it would be laughed at in a group, but when that kid got home, he would think strongly about doing it, but then realize that it would take his “street cred” down by doing so.
Maybe if that person was to put those rap CD's away, he might have a chance to look at the real world, hopefully in time to find that their friends and family still like them for the person that they used to be.
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