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Sat 04/01/03 at 21:08
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That's right, give me a good old Nintendo Entertainment System and I'll be happy. Screw 3D graphics and all the over aspects of modern day gaming, the NES is where gaming was, is and always will be at! Sure it's pretty basic and the games are the size of an Xbox controller (now that's big!) but I believe that gaming was at it's best around 10 years or so ago. It wasn't about buying out the competition and making gamers wait months for held back games (although I do believe we had to wait many a year after Japan before we got our 'limey' hands on the NES). Gaming was about what matters, the games.

I was watching Futurama only a week or two ago and saw the episode where classic game characters invade Earth. After seeing this I thought "Damn I would like to play games like that again!". So out to the garage I went and dug up my (not trying to sound like a certain ex-ring bearer) precious grey Nintendo branded box. I of course also found out my old games collection too. It consists of many classics; Super Mario Bros, Mario 3, Donkey Kong and Donkey Kong JR, Micro Machines, WWF Wrestlemania steel cage challenge (try saying that with a mouth full of marshmallows), Kick Off, World Cup, Lemmings and The Amazing Adventures Of Dizzy. Also to my amusement I found our Game Genie complete with price sticker reading 'Was £36.90 - Now 90p'. I still remember the day we brought that, it was in Toys R Us in a bargain bin. Bargain being the understatement of the year. But my amusement soon faded when I realised that alas we'd lost the code booklet that contains the codes (duh) to enter into the genie. So if I get real desperate to cheat, I'll have to dig them up on the Internet somewhere. Another NES bargain I remember was the WWF game costing only £2 from WHSmiths, which I brought on the way to my Nan and Grandad's house.

Now I feel like talking a bit about the games that make up my collection, which although small gets the job done nicely (which I'm sure is a comment that one or two of you have used when discussing something else).

Let's start with Donkey Kong. I really get annoyed with this game, be it original or JR mode it annoys the heck out of me. When you’re doing well, and get far it gets fun but the enjoyment soon stops and you soon find yourself ripping the game from the slot. If you don't know what the original Donkey Kong is like you probably don't deserve to be on a computer games website. Clime the ladders of the platforms while avoiding and/or hitting barrels with a hammer, in order to reach the top where D. Kong is holding Princess Peach in a cage (ohh kinky). Donkey Kong Jr is like this only in reverse as Mario is now the baddy, holding Kong in a cage (not so kinky but hey whatever turns you on). You control Kong JR, climbing up vines and avoiding crocodiles that Mario unleashes in order to once again reach the top. I don't like it much but it's a class none the less.

Next a game that needs no introduction...You play as a simple plumber trying to defeat the evil King Cooper (Who younger users will know only as Bowser) and once again sae the princess. This game looks like poo but plays like a dream. Forget Sunshine, Super Mario Bros. is where it's at, baby! The game was genius but sadly I've never completed it, however I'm trying my hardest to change that. It must be one of the quickest games to finish, purely based on the warp zone feature. All you need to do is get a mushroom then on the second level just jump up, break the ceiling and run across it, skipping the level until you reach the warp zone. You can skip one world or three ahead of where you are, then a little later there's another one! Love this game so very, very much. It was re-released on the Gameboy Colour so you may well have it. Classic and genius!

Mario 3 is also great and is a big step up in terms of visuals and gameplay. The levels and characters are more extreme and varied (some look as if the creators were under the influence of drugs when creating. I guess that explains the whole mushroom thing, eh?) And Mario/Lugi both have some new powers to help fight evil and toilet blockage. As well as fighting King Cooper you must also take on his little cousins (or were they nephews?), which is quite nice. In both this and the before mentioned Mario game there's a two player option where two people take it in turns playing. Player one assumes the role of Mario, leaving Lugi in the hands of player numero two. Even though everyone knows the brothers are almost opposites in appearance, the game's characters look identical except for the different fashion tastes. Also a great, genius classic!

The Adventures of Dizzy is confusing to say the least. One minute you’re an egg in his tree house home, the next a rhino is chasing you. Then you walk past a king by a ladder and bump into a pirate and a knight. Strange...very strange. But the game plays brilliantly, forget your Zelda and Final Fantasies, this is the one true classic RPG game. And oh my God! The music is fantastic, must be the best game soundtrack ever, it's just so catchy. The game basically consists of picking up objects (Keys, food, plant spray, planks of wood and what not) then putting them in the right place or hands of the rightful owner. It takes a lot of thought power as you can only hold a maximum of three items at any one time. There are also mini games and did I mention the amazing music? It's very, very hard but (yes you guessed it) classic and genius!

Micro machines were good toys and a nice little Playstation game, but the NES versions runs rings around the both of them. It's a game that defiantly is way ahead of its time and is so addictive. We played it for hours on New Years Eve; if we'd played any longer we wouldn't have time to celebrate. But hey what better way to celebrate the new than with the old (Words that most likely have been spoken by Bruce Forbsides wife). Both the football games I have are good, but footie games aren't really my thing. However World Cup does have a lot of comic value e.g. how the players react when the players get hit. And finally WWF is good, nowhere near Smackdown good but still enjoyable. Basically just taps the buttons and hope for the best although it does come with a nice health/energy system. It's great to play as the classics like The Mountie (who I always thought was the guy from 'Due South'), Jake The Snake Roberts, Sid Vicious, Hulk 'not Hollywood' Hogan and of course The Undertaker (the old Undertaker, not the one who took his part a few years ago).

I really do love my NES the games are just (for lack of a better word) classic! They're simple but so much fun. One thing that must be said though is that the games really were very hard indeed. I'm amazed that we were expected to play such touch games when we were young. The kids today playing Bob the Builder and Tweenies would have had to play games that are equally difficult to the likes of Metal Gear...back in our day. It's probably why a lot of people who played games at a young age are quite the computer games whiz these days.

When you play these older games you really can tell that it was made for people to enjoy and not to contribute to Bill Gate's tower of money, which he swims in every day (like Scrooge McDuck). They were made for people to have fun with, share with others and ten years later post a message talking about them. I will also say that they can get quite frustrating, one main reason for this is a lack of memory. One thing that modern gaming did right was inventing the memory card. Some NES games use the password system (Lemmings does) but they can only bring you to the start of the last level you reached. When you can't save and don't have passwords it's very annoying to die after reaching a long distance into the game. Yes it's regarding to regain where you were and even do better but it's also repetitive. Imagine having to start Metal Gear Solid every time you died...

There are many great games out there and I’m trying to expand my collection. Today my sister while staying at my Nan's house was able to buy the Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles arcade game, which if you can remember was a brilliant game. It's like Streets Of Rage, Double Dragon and even Tekken force mode in Tekken 3. Walk along while kicking butt as the Turtles; it doesn't get much better than that. I'm also hoping to get Metal Gear: Snakes Revenge off eBay when the auction closes tomorrow.

Now the NES wasn't the only great console of the past. The Magadrive, Master System, SNES, Gameboy and Game Gear were all great. I also don't hate modern gaming; I just hate the corporate dominated industry that it has become. I get less and less interested in games by the day; they're just not that good anymore (some exceptions of course...GTA Vice City, Tony Hawk 4 etc). I hope that the industry sorts itself out, cuts the crap and gets back on track to what’s important; The games and the people who play them.

I urge all of you to go forth in search of your old consoles, be they Atari's, NES' or even an Amiga or whatever you have. Go get them and play. Forget about graphics and play, just play and enjoy. Invite some mates around and relive the good times of gaming. By the way I do understand that there's probably no-one still reading at this point so I'll probably be only in my quest for great gaming.

Long live the NES and the classic games it gave us to play and enjoy forever more...forever more.

Mucho thanks for reading
CDouch
Mon 06/01/03 at 14:38
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It is true, that running flat out, the DC can match the early PS2 games. However, what about those early DC games? I remember seeing pics of DinoCrisis on DC. On the DC, it looked only slightly better than the PS1 version! Now that developers have had more time on PS2, we have things like GT3, GTA-VC, GTA3. Metropolis Street Racer can't hold a candle to GT3 for graphics. While Shenmue for DC was a very good try, GTA3 and GTA-VC offer greater depth/larger game area/more details, while FFX offers nicer graphics.

And a DC can't play DVD's.
Mon 06/01/03 at 14:01
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"Well hit on me..."
Posts: 1,169
Unbeliever wrote:
I can count the number of great PS2 games on two hands and the console has over 300 games for it!

Your right, there is a load of Tripe on the PS2,

I owned one for a year, but found that there was just not enough games coming out that I really wanted, and after whipping GTAVC into shape, I got bored very quickly.

I had about thirty games in all for it, but there were very few that I could go back to again and again, like I could for my N64.

The lack of 4 player mayhem in most games also did my head in.

So I sold it and got an xbox

I've had it for a month and a half, and to be honest I'm still in love with the games I have, all of them, and I can't put them down.

Just like my N64.
Mon 06/01/03 at 13:55
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"Plotting Your Demis"
Posts: 342
Unbeliever wrote:
> Lombardo wrote:
> I am arguing that the PS2 is better than the DREAMCAST, not
> GC/Xbox/PC.
>
>
> Get out of town you mad, gibbering lunatic! Have you spent the last
> two years living under a rock?
Where I reside is none of your business (I live under a rock)


>DC graphics are near identical to PS2
> graphics (if not better, on certain games) and it certainly had the
> greatest line-up of great games seen in a next gen console. Shenmue 1
> & 2, Skies of Arcadia, Jet Set Radio, Rex, Ikaragu, Metropolis
> Street Racer,
I don't like racing games, but I know the PS2 has a very good range of racing and rallying games. I also don't care how good the Dreamcast's graphics are, as it is the quality of the games, not the graphics that matter.

> I can safely say that if game were still being made for the DC by
> Sega, it would definitely have better games than the PS2.
Thats part of my argument, the Dreamcast could have been great, but its all gone down the drain.

>I can count
wow

The PS2 has a bigger and better range of games than the Dreamcast, because more developers have taken an interest (seeing its promising future). The PS2 also looks better :) and has a cool blue light. Hey, we could set up a forum asking "If you had a PS2 would you trade it for a Dreamcast?" and check the answers, I'm confident that most people would choose the PS2.
Mon 06/01/03 at 13:44
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"Brownium Motion"
Posts: 4,100
Lombardo wrote:
I am arguing that the PS2 is better than the DREAMCAST, not GC/Xbox/PC.


Get out of town you mad, gibbering lunatic! Have you spent the last two years living under a rock? DC graphics are near identical to PS2 graphics (if not better, on certain games) and it certainly had the greatest line-up of great games seen in a next gen console. Shenmue 1 & 2, Skies of Arcadia, Jet Set Radio, Rex, Ikaragu, Metropolis Street Racer,

I can safely say that if game were still being made for the DC by Sega, it would definitely have better games than the PS2. I can count the number of great PS2 games on two hands and the console has over 300 games for it!
Mon 06/01/03 at 13:38
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"Brownium Motion"
Posts: 4,100
gerrid wrote:

> There were 100 games on it, but I believe when the say 'games' they
> mean levels of the same crappy game.
> Basically you point it at your tv and you can play games on it.
> It cost twelve quid.


I've got one of those! It takes a couple of batteries and plugs direct into the back of your tv. Yeah, you're right it does have many levels of the same game but at £5 (that's how much I got it for) it's a bit of a bargain for those few retro "classics" yoy find on it.
Mon 06/01/03 at 13:34
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"Plotting Your Demis"
Posts: 342
gerrid wrote:
> Lombardo wrote:
> Gran Turismo -- I don't like GT,I think it's rubbish
> GTA 3 -- I have this on PC and it's superior in every way.
> GTA:VC -- Is coming to PC soon, so I wouldn't buy the PS2 version
> Medal of Hono(u)r:Frontline -- I can get it on GC or Xbox, plus a
> superior version on PC
> Timesplitters 2 -- I have it on GC
> PES2 -- I can get it on GC (the japanese version, or the PAL version
> soon)
> Hitman 2 -- Much better on PC, and I could get it if I wanted it
> Prisoner of War -- Again better on PC.
> Don't get me wrong, I like the PS2, but I wouldn't want to buy one,
> because I would only buy one game for it (PES 2 or TIF 2003 maybe).
> And then I could make you a list of great DC games, but I fear you
> would either have never heard of them, or never played them. Shows
> what you're missing out on really, doesn't it.

Your argument is faulted, you asked me to name good games on the PS2 and then you say they doesn't count because they're available on other formats? I could use exactly the same argument, saying "sure, GTA 3 is good on the PC, but I can get it on the PS2". Just because it is available on other formats does not mean that it is not good to play on the PS2. You also supported most of your arguments by saying that the said game is available on GC/Xbox/PC; I am arguing that the PS2 is better than the DREAMCAST, not GC/Xbox/PC.
Mon 06/01/03 at 13:29
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"bit of a brain"
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Update2.01 wrote:
> Anyone with access to SKY?
> I remember seeing a comercial for a *new* home game system which
> come's complete with lots of built in games (64 i think).

I saw a market stall selling N64 controllers (they looked like them, but cheaper) that apparently was "the best portable gaming console in the world".
There were 100 games on it, but I believe when the say 'games' they mean levels of the same crappy game.
Basically you point it at your tv and you can play games on it.
It cost twelve quid.
Mon 06/01/03 at 13:16
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"Brownium Motion"
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NES? Yeah it was a great console. I still have mine at home somewhere. I remember one of the greatest RPG's I played "back in the day" called Faxanadu. Then there was Blaster Master, A Boy And His Blob, Snake Rattle N Roll, Tiny Toons, Megaman (which I remember being ultra-hard but I managed to complete it) etc. The NES was a great console. However, my greatest gaming moments came during the days of the SNES/Megadrive where gaming was at its very best.
Sure, gaming is great these days but I still remember the good old days when I'd get home from school and have a mad blast on Super Mario World closely followed by Pilotwings or Mario Kart. Then there was the utterly brilliant Cybernator which blew my mind open. Cybernator was the best!


I defy you to contradict me!

*gazes around with wrath clearly visible on his scarred mien*
Mon 06/01/03 at 13:16
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Anyone with access to SKY?
I remember seeing a comercial for a *new* home game system which come's complete with lots of built in games (64 i think). Games like Defender, and very early sports sims, etc. Saw it a few times over the xmas hols.
Mon 06/01/03 at 13:12
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"bit of a brain"
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The japanese version, in fact.

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