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Here is one of the most important things about playing a game – the controller you use to play it with. Since the days of the NES (and possibly before, when I wasn’t around), console manufacturers have been making improvements to the design of the controller to accompany the system.
I would say it’s universally agreed that Nintendo are unrivalled when it comes to innovations in controller design. The NES controller was, to be fair, pretty basic. But back then, this didn’t matter because there weren’t any other controllers to compare it to! However, by the time the SNES hit, both the Sega Master System and Sega Mega Drive had landed on store shelves. The Mega Drive controller, although quite different in mould to the NES pad, performed the same basic functions.
It was at this point, during the development of the SNES, that Nintendo realised to go forward in gaming would require an innovation in controller design; hence the shoulder buttons. Despite an increase in the number of buttons (and obviously no increase in the number of fingers), by placing these two shoulder buttons on the top of the pad, it causes little dismay amongst casual gamers. The inclusion of these shoulder buttons opened up new possibilities to developers in game design. But due to relatively low processing power of the SNES, few games took advantage of the controllers increased capabilities.
So, next up for Nintendo was their biggest technical leap in gaming yet – from 2D to 3D. This required a whole new kind of pad, which needed to incorporate all the features of the SNES pad, just incase developers chose to stay in the second dimension, and then some. Shigeru Miyamoto (and co.) wanted to show the world want their Nintendo64 was really capable of. How did they do this? By making Super Mario 64.
The game was the first of its kind; being able to roam freely in a realistic 3D world was what the N64 could do. But can you imagine playing Mario 64 with the SNES pad? The N64 pad featured, among other things, the next revolution in controller design – the analogue stick. Being analogue (rather than digital) allowed the player to move at a desired pace and at a desired angle. Without this, it would have simply been a case of stand still/run and left/right.
Soon after it was discovered that the N64 controller would be a huge success for years to come, Sony replaced the standard Playstation controllers with, what it dubbed, the Dual Shock controller. Sony had basically stolen Nintendo’s design, but tried to make it look slightly original by actually placing two analogue sticks on the pad side-by-side. This allowed the gamer to direct the character around the 3D world using the left stick and rotate the camera using the right stick. On paper, this seems a genuinely brilliant idea. In reality, the player often got confused trying to control two things at once, and developers often had to resort to placing a fixed camera behind the player. For the experienced gamer, however, this wasn’t a problem.
Sega have never really got the hang of making decent controllers, and it seems as though they’ll never get the chance to change this! Sega never bothered changing the Saturn pad, as the console was probably on the way out at the time. So, it wasn’t until around 1998 that they got into the analogue scene. For some, the Dreamcast controller was too big. For others, it was simply too shoddy (often complaining of poor contact on the action buttons). Despite this, the Dreamcast controller was different to anything before it in two ways – the VMU and the analogue shoulder pads.
The VMU (Visual Memory Unit) was almost like a mini Gameboy. In theory, gamers could download mini games onto their VMU from games such as Sonic Adventure and play it on the move, even against other VMU-owners. However, developers criminally ignored the VMU’s true potential, and Sega was left to try and support the little fella on their own. This they did poorly, with few titles allowing you to unleash it’s potential.
However, the one other original idea Sega implemented into the Dreamcast controller was deemed a success – the analogue shoulder pads. Games such as Metropolis Street Racer implemented these shoulder pads to allow the gamer to accelerate at the desired rate (depending on the car, ofcourse), while games such as Sonic Adventure used them to let the gamer rotate the camera. So successful were the shoulder pads that this was not the last time they’d feature on a controller!
Anyway, that’s all in the past now (accept it people) and the three competitors for the next-gen gaming crown are looming large (some larger than others). Sony’s preparing to fend off competition from Nintendo with it’s latest box of joy – Gamecube, and Microsoft with its first-ever ‘console’ – X-Box. However, seeing as this post is all about controllers, that’s what I’ll concentrate on!
First up, Sony. Essentially, the PS2 controller is little more than a blask Psone controller with a few extra features. Although this may seem lazy on Sony’s part, a similar controller to before was required if Sony wanted gamers to play Psone games on their PS2 without any hassle.
Being in exactly the same mould as before, the Dual Shock 2 controller features one important function over the original – pressure-sensitive buttons. This means gamers can accelerate at any desired rate in GT3, much the same way in which Dreamcast-owners could in MSR. Although at first this inclusion can feel barely noticeable, a few hours practice will really bring the potential of this inventive idea.
Despite this, the problems that were there with the Dual Shock are still present. Some find the right analogue stick too close to the action buttons. Others claim there isn’t enough resistance from the analogue sticks, while others say it’s simply not as comfortable as the N64 or Dreamcast pad. So for the inevitable PS3 controller, Sony’s gonna have to go back to the drawing board, if they want fewer complaints next time round.
Next under the spotlight is the Nintendo Gamecube controller. Nintendo, and particularly Shigeru Miyamoto have been under a lot of pressure to pull something special out the bag for this one. Just about every controller they’ve ever designed has taken the game controller scene to new heights, and people expected the Gamecube controller to do the same. So, has it? Ofcourse it has!
In actual fact, the Gamecube controller doesn’t really feature any innovations, apart from the overall design. The controls are in a near-perfect layout (although there’s been some dispute over the placement of the Z-trigger) and the actual controller fits into almost any pair of hands perfectly. The same comment that’s been put forward time and time again is that the player actually forgets they’re holding the controller. It’s as though the controller is merely an extension of their hands, which allows the gamer to focus more on the actual game, rather than which button they should press next. This is what all controller designers should aim to achieve, but rarely do so (the number of times I’ve had to look down at the PS2 pad while playing Agent Under Fire is unforgivable).
So, two down, one to go – the X-Box controller. Like the Gamecube controller, I’ve only tried it out once, but my opinion of it is so very different! I’m not quite sure what Microsoft were thinking when they designed this beast.
Firstly, it’s way too big. The reason for this? Not the foggiest. Maybe Microsoft wanted the controller’s mass to be proportional to the console itself. Maybe all employees working under Mr. Gates have abnormally large hands. Whatever the case, it immediately abolishes any chance of the controller feeling remotely comfortable.
Next criticism – the placement of the main action buttons. For a pad, which is way too big, I find it hard to understand why Microsoft have placed the four main action buttons so close to one another. On the other hand, it makes life a little easier for button-bashers playing Dead or Alive 3…
Microsoft haven’t done everything wrong with this controller, though. They’ve implemented several different control features such as the d-pad, two analogue sticks, 6 pressure-sensitive action buttons and two analogue shoulder pads. The X-Box controller has got it all there, it’s just in a strange layout and uncomfortable mould.
So, with that out of the way, I’m sure you’ve worked out that I, like most others (Nintendo fans or not) think the Gamecube controller is the best of the current three. But what about the future? What innovations can we expect from these three competitors when gaming takes another leap forward? To be truthful, I really don’t know, and that’s why the likes of Shigeru Miyamoto get paid for thinking up these ingenious ideas and not us!
However, if there’s one thing we can be sure of, it means even deeper, richer interactive gaming that brings us closer to the actual game world and that, ladies and gentleman, can only be a good thing.
Your favourite Uncle – Albert.
I would say it’s universally agreed that Nintendo are unrivalled when it comes to innovations in controller design. The NES controller was, to be fair, pretty basic. But back then, this didn’t matter because there weren’t any other controllers to compare it to! However, by the time the SNES hit, both the Sega Master System and Sega Mega Drive had landed on store shelves. The Mega Drive controller, although quite different in mould to the NES pad, performed the same basic functions.
It was at this point, during the development of the SNES, that Nintendo realised to go forward in gaming would require an innovation in controller design; hence the shoulder buttons. Despite an increase in the number of buttons (and obviously no increase in the number of fingers), by placing these two shoulder buttons on the top of the pad, it causes little dismay amongst casual gamers. The inclusion of these shoulder buttons opened up new possibilities to developers in game design. But due to relatively low processing power of the SNES, few games took advantage of the controllers increased capabilities.
So, next up for Nintendo was their biggest technical leap in gaming yet – from 2D to 3D. This required a whole new kind of pad, which needed to incorporate all the features of the SNES pad, just incase developers chose to stay in the second dimension, and then some. Shigeru Miyamoto (and co.) wanted to show the world want their Nintendo64 was really capable of. How did they do this? By making Super Mario 64.
The game was the first of its kind; being able to roam freely in a realistic 3D world was what the N64 could do. But can you imagine playing Mario 64 with the SNES pad? The N64 pad featured, among other things, the next revolution in controller design – the analogue stick. Being analogue (rather than digital) allowed the player to move at a desired pace and at a desired angle. Without this, it would have simply been a case of stand still/run and left/right.
Soon after it was discovered that the N64 controller would be a huge success for years to come, Sony replaced the standard Playstation controllers with, what it dubbed, the Dual Shock controller. Sony had basically stolen Nintendo’s design, but tried to make it look slightly original by actually placing two analogue sticks on the pad side-by-side. This allowed the gamer to direct the character around the 3D world using the left stick and rotate the camera using the right stick. On paper, this seems a genuinely brilliant idea. In reality, the player often got confused trying to control two things at once, and developers often had to resort to placing a fixed camera behind the player. For the experienced gamer, however, this wasn’t a problem.
Sega have never really got the hang of making decent controllers, and it seems as though they’ll never get the chance to change this! Sega never bothered changing the Saturn pad, as the console was probably on the way out at the time. So, it wasn’t until around 1998 that they got into the analogue scene. For some, the Dreamcast controller was too big. For others, it was simply too shoddy (often complaining of poor contact on the action buttons). Despite this, the Dreamcast controller was different to anything before it in two ways – the VMU and the analogue shoulder pads.
The VMU (Visual Memory Unit) was almost like a mini Gameboy. In theory, gamers could download mini games onto their VMU from games such as Sonic Adventure and play it on the move, even against other VMU-owners. However, developers criminally ignored the VMU’s true potential, and Sega was left to try and support the little fella on their own. This they did poorly, with few titles allowing you to unleash it’s potential.
However, the one other original idea Sega implemented into the Dreamcast controller was deemed a success – the analogue shoulder pads. Games such as Metropolis Street Racer implemented these shoulder pads to allow the gamer to accelerate at the desired rate (depending on the car, ofcourse), while games such as Sonic Adventure used them to let the gamer rotate the camera. So successful were the shoulder pads that this was not the last time they’d feature on a controller!
Anyway, that’s all in the past now (accept it people) and the three competitors for the next-gen gaming crown are looming large (some larger than others). Sony’s preparing to fend off competition from Nintendo with it’s latest box of joy – Gamecube, and Microsoft with its first-ever ‘console’ – X-Box. However, seeing as this post is all about controllers, that’s what I’ll concentrate on!
First up, Sony. Essentially, the PS2 controller is little more than a blask Psone controller with a few extra features. Although this may seem lazy on Sony’s part, a similar controller to before was required if Sony wanted gamers to play Psone games on their PS2 without any hassle.
Being in exactly the same mould as before, the Dual Shock 2 controller features one important function over the original – pressure-sensitive buttons. This means gamers can accelerate at any desired rate in GT3, much the same way in which Dreamcast-owners could in MSR. Although at first this inclusion can feel barely noticeable, a few hours practice will really bring the potential of this inventive idea.
Despite this, the problems that were there with the Dual Shock are still present. Some find the right analogue stick too close to the action buttons. Others claim there isn’t enough resistance from the analogue sticks, while others say it’s simply not as comfortable as the N64 or Dreamcast pad. So for the inevitable PS3 controller, Sony’s gonna have to go back to the drawing board, if they want fewer complaints next time round.
Next under the spotlight is the Nintendo Gamecube controller. Nintendo, and particularly Shigeru Miyamoto have been under a lot of pressure to pull something special out the bag for this one. Just about every controller they’ve ever designed has taken the game controller scene to new heights, and people expected the Gamecube controller to do the same. So, has it? Ofcourse it has!
In actual fact, the Gamecube controller doesn’t really feature any innovations, apart from the overall design. The controls are in a near-perfect layout (although there’s been some dispute over the placement of the Z-trigger) and the actual controller fits into almost any pair of hands perfectly. The same comment that’s been put forward time and time again is that the player actually forgets they’re holding the controller. It’s as though the controller is merely an extension of their hands, which allows the gamer to focus more on the actual game, rather than which button they should press next. This is what all controller designers should aim to achieve, but rarely do so (the number of times I’ve had to look down at the PS2 pad while playing Agent Under Fire is unforgivable).
So, two down, one to go – the X-Box controller. Like the Gamecube controller, I’ve only tried it out once, but my opinion of it is so very different! I’m not quite sure what Microsoft were thinking when they designed this beast.
Firstly, it’s way too big. The reason for this? Not the foggiest. Maybe Microsoft wanted the controller’s mass to be proportional to the console itself. Maybe all employees working under Mr. Gates have abnormally large hands. Whatever the case, it immediately abolishes any chance of the controller feeling remotely comfortable.
Next criticism – the placement of the main action buttons. For a pad, which is way too big, I find it hard to understand why Microsoft have placed the four main action buttons so close to one another. On the other hand, it makes life a little easier for button-bashers playing Dead or Alive 3…
Microsoft haven’t done everything wrong with this controller, though. They’ve implemented several different control features such as the d-pad, two analogue sticks, 6 pressure-sensitive action buttons and two analogue shoulder pads. The X-Box controller has got it all there, it’s just in a strange layout and uncomfortable mould.
So, with that out of the way, I’m sure you’ve worked out that I, like most others (Nintendo fans or not) think the Gamecube controller is the best of the current three. But what about the future? What innovations can we expect from these three competitors when gaming takes another leap forward? To be truthful, I really don’t know, and that’s why the likes of Shigeru Miyamoto get paid for thinking up these ingenious ideas and not us!
However, if there’s one thing we can be sure of, it means even deeper, richer interactive gaming that brings us closer to the actual game world and that, ladies and gentleman, can only be a good thing.
Your favourite Uncle – Albert.
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===SONICRAV---> wrote:
> Uncle Albert...
The N64 was not the first console with an analogue
> controller- the Saturn was! Just as the PSX launched with the digital
> controller, and then the dual shock was made standard, the Saturn launched with
> the poor digital controller, and a few months later the analogue stick
> controller was released- over a year BEFORE the N64 pad was released!
Oh, and
> Sega were the first to use analogue buttons- on the DC pad. Which has since been
> used on the new Dual Shock 2 pads, AND Gamecube pads.
So, tell me, why do you
> say:
"Sega have never really got the hang of making decent controllers,
> and it seems as though they’ll never get the chance to change this! Sega never
> bothered changing the Saturn pad, as the console was probably on the way out at
> the time. "
When they were the FIRST to use analogue stick, and the
> FIRST to use analogue buttons. (The sticks coming in WAY before 1998!)
Sonic
I have to totally agree with you sonic. (i was going to post about the same thing but u beat me:-P)
> Uncle Albert...
The N64 was not the first console with an analogue
> controller- the Saturn was! Just as the PSX launched with the digital
> controller, and then the dual shock was made standard, the Saturn launched with
> the poor digital controller, and a few months later the analogue stick
> controller was released- over a year BEFORE the N64 pad was released!
Oh, and
> Sega were the first to use analogue buttons- on the DC pad. Which has since been
> used on the new Dual Shock 2 pads, AND Gamecube pads.
So, tell me, why do you
> say:
"Sega have never really got the hang of making decent controllers,
> and it seems as though they’ll never get the chance to change this! Sega never
> bothered changing the Saturn pad, as the console was probably on the way out at
> the time. "
When they were the FIRST to use analogue stick, and the
> FIRST to use analogue buttons. (The sticks coming in WAY before 1998!)
Sonic
I have to totally agree with you sonic. (i was going to post about the same thing but u beat me:-P)
Uncle Albert...
The N64 was not the first console with an analogue controller- the Saturn was! Just as the PSX launched with the digital controller, and then the dual shock was made standard, the Saturn launched with the poor digital controller, and a few months later the analogue stick controller was released- over a year BEFORE the N64 pad was released!
Oh, and Sega were the first to use analogue buttons- on the DC pad. Which has since been used on the new Dual Shock 2 pads, AND Gamecube pads.
So, tell me, why do you say:
"Sega have never really got the hang of making decent controllers, and it seems as though they’ll never get the chance to change this! Sega never bothered changing the Saturn pad, as the console was probably on the way out at the time. "
When they were the FIRST to use analogue stick, and the FIRST to use analogue buttons. (The sticks coming in WAY before 1998!)
Sonic
The N64 was not the first console with an analogue controller- the Saturn was! Just as the PSX launched with the digital controller, and then the dual shock was made standard, the Saturn launched with the poor digital controller, and a few months later the analogue stick controller was released- over a year BEFORE the N64 pad was released!
Oh, and Sega were the first to use analogue buttons- on the DC pad. Which has since been used on the new Dual Shock 2 pads, AND Gamecube pads.
So, tell me, why do you say:
"Sega have never really got the hang of making decent controllers, and it seems as though they’ll never get the chance to change this! Sega never bothered changing the Saturn pad, as the console was probably on the way out at the time. "
When they were the FIRST to use analogue stick, and the FIRST to use analogue buttons. (The sticks coming in WAY before 1998!)
Sonic
Nice post, Uncle A. And you're right about the XBox controller, except you failed to mention one thing. If you play with it for longer than 5 minutes at a time, it genuinely start to hurt. It cramps your hand!
Christ, I better have a look at how long the post is before I say I'll read it next time... nicely done, though. :0)
OK, I'll try and deal with both of you in one post, but I may forget a few things, so bear with me. :)
Firstly, Triple_H, yes, the Gamecube controller does feature a built-in rumble feature, without the need for batteries.
And now for Resi. Firstly, can I just say that, although I really want a Gamecube, I already have a PS2, so my view is in no way biased.
Secondly, I totally disagree about Timesplitters. A great pick-up-and-play title it is not. Any newcomer to the game may quite easily get confused with the dual-stick system (as I did, quite frequently). Yes, I realise you'd get used to it over time. But still...
Final point - "Good post but your facts are slightly off". These aren't facts. This post was almost entirely formed on popular opinion.
Still, I appreciate the input! :)
Firstly, Triple_H, yes, the Gamecube controller does feature a built-in rumble feature, without the need for batteries.
And now for Resi. Firstly, can I just say that, although I really want a Gamecube, I already have a PS2, so my view is in no way biased.
Secondly, I totally disagree about Timesplitters. A great pick-up-and-play title it is not. Any newcomer to the game may quite easily get confused with the dual-stick system (as I did, quite frequently). Yes, I realise you'd get used to it over time. But still...
Final point - "Good post but your facts are slightly off". These aren't facts. This post was almost entirely formed on popular opinion.
Still, I appreciate the input! :)
Uncle Albert wrote:
Soon after it was discovered that the N64 controller
> would be a huge success for years to come, Sony replaced the standard
> Playstation controllers with, what it dubbed, the Dual Shock controller. Sony
> had basically stolen Nintendo’s design, but tried to make it look slightly
> original by actually placing two analogue sticks on the pad side-by-side. This
> allowed the gamer to direct the character around the 3D world using the left
> stick and rotate the camera using the right stick.
Sony may have ripped off Nintendo's Analog stick but look who's ripping off the Dual Analog system and build in rumble and SCEE's Porsche Challenge was using the right analog stick for acceleration/braking well before MSR arrived or actually the dreamcast's release!!!!!
--
On paper, this seems a
> genuinely brilliant idea. In reality, the player often got confused trying to
> control two things at once, and developers often had to resort to placing a
> fixed camera behind the player.
Only before it really kicked in, The technique demonstrated in Timesplitters is genius. comparing it to PC FPSs the left analog stick is the keyboard and the right is you mouse leaving your fingers free for the 4 shoulder buttons to act as fire,zoom etc. brilliant!!!
--
First up, Sony. Essentially, the PS2 controller is little more
> than a blask Psone controller with a few extra features. Although this may seem
> lazy on Sony’s part, a similar controller to before was required if Sony wanted
> gamers to play Psone games on their PS2 without any hassle.
Not nessasarily, The could have made PS2 USB controllers, different but compatible like the pressure sensitive buttons or could have simpley had the same plug. Sony asked people if they wanted the controller designed changed but the majority of people said build on what we're used to which they have to great success!!!!!
--
Despite this, the problems that were there with the Dual Shock
> are still present. Some find the right analogue stick too close to the action
> buttons. Others claim there isn’t enough resistance from the analogue sticks,
> while others say it’s simply not as comfortable as the N64 or Dreamcast pad.
Nintys and dreamcasters you mean and when using Both analog sticks the 4 action buttons are rarely used, everything shifts up top to the shoulder buttons!!!
--
So
> for the inevitable PS3 controller, Sony’s gonna have to go back to the drawing
> board, if they want fewer complaints next time round.
I haven't heard any, except for my ingenius idea of force feedback analog sticks, hurry up sony i want em!!!!
--
Next under the spotlight
> is the Nintendo Gamecube controller.
The controls are in a near-perfect layout (although there’s been some
> dispute over the placement of the Z-trigger) and the actual controller fits into
> almost any pair of hands perfectly.
It has three shoulder buttons throwing everything off balance and I've heard many many complaints about that hard to reach Z button!!
although it's supposed to be compfy ;-)
--
So, with that out of the way, I’m sure you’ve
> worked out that I, like most others (Nintendo fans or not) think the Gamecube
> controller is the best of the current three.
nope, why do you think there's an adapter to use the PS2 pad on the Gamecube :-)
--
Good post but your facts are slightly off and I disagree in many areas ;-)
Soon after it was discovered that the N64 controller
> would be a huge success for years to come, Sony replaced the standard
> Playstation controllers with, what it dubbed, the Dual Shock controller. Sony
> had basically stolen Nintendo’s design, but tried to make it look slightly
> original by actually placing two analogue sticks on the pad side-by-side. This
> allowed the gamer to direct the character around the 3D world using the left
> stick and rotate the camera using the right stick.
Sony may have ripped off Nintendo's Analog stick but look who's ripping off the Dual Analog system and build in rumble and SCEE's Porsche Challenge was using the right analog stick for acceleration/braking well before MSR arrived or actually the dreamcast's release!!!!!
--
On paper, this seems a
> genuinely brilliant idea. In reality, the player often got confused trying to
> control two things at once, and developers often had to resort to placing a
> fixed camera behind the player.
Only before it really kicked in, The technique demonstrated in Timesplitters is genius. comparing it to PC FPSs the left analog stick is the keyboard and the right is you mouse leaving your fingers free for the 4 shoulder buttons to act as fire,zoom etc. brilliant!!!
--
First up, Sony. Essentially, the PS2 controller is little more
> than a blask Psone controller with a few extra features. Although this may seem
> lazy on Sony’s part, a similar controller to before was required if Sony wanted
> gamers to play Psone games on their PS2 without any hassle.
Not nessasarily, The could have made PS2 USB controllers, different but compatible like the pressure sensitive buttons or could have simpley had the same plug. Sony asked people if they wanted the controller designed changed but the majority of people said build on what we're used to which they have to great success!!!!!
--
Despite this, the problems that were there with the Dual Shock
> are still present. Some find the right analogue stick too close to the action
> buttons. Others claim there isn’t enough resistance from the analogue sticks,
> while others say it’s simply not as comfortable as the N64 or Dreamcast pad.
Nintys and dreamcasters you mean and when using Both analog sticks the 4 action buttons are rarely used, everything shifts up top to the shoulder buttons!!!
--
So
> for the inevitable PS3 controller, Sony’s gonna have to go back to the drawing
> board, if they want fewer complaints next time round.
I haven't heard any, except for my ingenius idea of force feedback analog sticks, hurry up sony i want em!!!!
--
Next under the spotlight
> is the Nintendo Gamecube controller.
The controls are in a near-perfect layout (although there’s been some
> dispute over the placement of the Z-trigger) and the actual controller fits into
> almost any pair of hands perfectly.
It has three shoulder buttons throwing everything off balance and I've heard many many complaints about that hard to reach Z button!!
although it's supposed to be compfy ;-)
--
So, with that out of the way, I’m sure you’ve
> worked out that I, like most others (Nintendo fans or not) think the Gamecube
> controller is the best of the current three.
nope, why do you think there's an adapter to use the PS2 pad on the Gamecube :-)
--
Good post but your facts are slightly off and I disagree in many areas ;-)
I have one more question Albert...
You know the Gamecube controller? Does it have the dual shock function or something similar? Or is it just normal.
You know the Gamecube controller? Does it have the dual shock function or something similar? Or is it just normal.
Nice post Unlce Albert...
I would have to say that I think the GameCube controller rocks! I used one a while ago and it feels great.
Nice post anyway.
I would have to say that I think the GameCube controller rocks! I used one a while ago and it feels great.
Nice post anyway.
Thanks for the sensible and thoughtful post, Triple_H. The one major difference, I think, between the N64 controller and the Gamecube controller is the fact that the N64 controller's mould featured three handles, compared to the Gamecubes Dual Shock 2-like 2 handles.
You never know, your opinion may totally chance once you'vee held one for real!
Again, many thanks.
You never know, your opinion may totally chance once you'vee held one for real!
Again, many thanks.
The Game wrote:
> Listen here, Prince Albert...
Firstly, try being a little more polite, you might get a little further in this world.
Secondly, I was unaware of so many controller threads. If you've got a problem with me having a stab at the issue, just ignore the thread, rather than showing total disrespect for the effort I put into writing this.
> Listen here, Prince Albert...
Firstly, try being a little more polite, you might get a little further in this world.
Secondly, I was unaware of so many controller threads. If you've got a problem with me having a stab at the issue, just ignore the thread, rather than showing total disrespect for the effort I put into writing this.
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