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Tue 28/01/03 at 11:18
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Personally, althought I've been a fan of Nintendo for over 12 years, I've never even taken the slightest bit of interest in anything Pokémon. I've seen the cartoon on TV and its shoddiness just put me right-off. But when I look around I see it everywhere... And it's not just the videos and video games either, there are now T-shirts, key-rings, bed-spreads, and just about any other product you can think of is BOUND to have been covered in Pokémon at some time within the last few years.

No matter what age they are, kids seem to love this thing. But I just don't get it...
What's so great about a dodgy Japanese cartoon with off-sinc lip movements and an overall appearence that makes it look like it's just come off the back of a lorry!
Seriously, how could Nintendo - the masters behind Mario, Zelda and Metroid - have ever created something so... cheap and lacking in so much quality. But for one reason or another, being the simple-minded human-beings that they are, kids seem to love this ageing craze, just like the Japanese do, at all ages.
So, with Nintendo in control, something this big can't be bad for them... Can it?


If you know Nintendo today, then you'll know where they stand in terms of world-wide popularity; rock-bottom! SONY lead the way with their PlayStations as the coolest guys around, while Bill Gates buys his way into second-place with his Microsoft X-Box and all that PC stuff that every nerd worships him for.
And what do Nintendo have? Well, you'd think that games like the Super Mario and Legend of Zelda series' would've been enough by now to have secured Nintendo's position as No.1 with their experience and know-how of the gaming world spanning at around 20 years right now, wouldn't you? But it's not, thanks to one-too-many so-called "gamers" out there who just want to be like everyone else to fit in and look cool. Idiots...


The sensation known world-wide today as "Pokémon" emerged back in the mid-1990's - at around the same time as SONY and Nintendo went their seperate ways after proposals for a PlayStation add-on for the Super Nintendo, leaving the multi-media giants free to start their own 32-bit console in the form of the `SONY PlayStation`. And with its games to come, including the horrifying Resident Evil series along with the likes of Tomb Raider and some superbly life-like racers, the PSX would soon become the more "mature" console of the lot; whiping out the pricey SEGA Saturn and Nintendo's N64 - despite each console's individual qualities and superiorities over the "trendy" PlayStation.

To me, this is when this whole idea of Nintendo games being "kiddy" and "immature" started, and I do not believe that it is solely down to the arrival and progression of the PlayStation, despite what many people have been saying for the past few years.
I know Pokeémon isn't the first thing you think about when Nintendo comes to mind, but you can't ignore the fact that the whole franchise does seem suitable for only younger audiences after it become the next big thing for kids following-on from crazes of the years before like the Teenage Mutant Ninja/Hero Turtles, and the Power Rangers, for example (both of which I enjoyed as a kid!). Super Mario and even The Legend of Zelda may both seem rather childish to the average eye at times, but after one-too-many ground-breaking games from both these franchises alone, many people have come to see the truth about these titles now, and that they are not as "kiddy" as they may have at first seemed to be, where as Pokémon however IS.


I'm not trying to say that Pokémon is neccesarily a bad thing or anyhing like that, it's just that I believe that Pikachu and Mewtwo and co. and the culprites behind that have helped to give Nintendo such a "different" to that of what it was 10-years-ago in the `Golden Age of Gaming`. By all means, Pokémon has done a hell-of-a-lot for Nintendo in terms of finances and attracting even younger gamers to their work. But somehow it has also managed to spread its lack of maturity falsely onto the faces of Mario, Luigi and Link, along with many others.
I don't think Nintendo should get rid of or "destroy" Pokémon or anything as that would be insane. But what I think they need to do now to shake-off this false image is to distinguish the big-difference between the Pokémon and Mario and co. to make it clear to us all that not all of Nintendo's creative and inspiring bright ideas can be categorised under the exact same headings. I fear that if they don't do something soon, it may be all too-late as the future-generations of gamers come in and ignore Nintendo for the bigger names at the top (SONY and Microsoft).


Nintendo aren't really as kiddy as they may at first seem!
Tue 28/01/03 at 18:34
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Idlewild wrote:
> How many people do you know who go around killing people to save their
> daghter in the middle of london? Annd how often is it that you can
> drive through London in the day, traffic free?

It's actually Mark Hammond's son that has been kidnapped. And, the streets are very busy in the right areas. Yes, the amount of traffic doesn't change, but that's because there's no "time" on the game. The Getaway is just so real, although there are equally as many flaws. Firstly, taxis use the bus lanes, but then no pedestrians actually use the zebra crossings.
Tue 28/01/03 at 17:37
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Posts: 6,492
Pokemon rules.

It's a class act of an rpg. you've got to remember that's what it is, despite Nintendo turning it into a Cash Cow.

Also, it wasn't created by Nintendo, but by Game Freaks, so there nah.

Merchandising sucks, as does Nintendo's strategy of wanting several versions of the same game published at a time, but hey, if you don't like it, don't buy it.
Tue 28/01/03 at 17:13
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"Festivus!"
Posts: 6,228
maddmun wrote:
> the
> "REALISM" of The Getaway and such

How many people do you know who go around killing people to save their daghter in the middle of london? Annd how often is it that you can drive through London in the day, traffic free? About as many times as you see a fat Italian jump 20 feet in the air.
Tue 28/01/03 at 16:18
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Posts: 11,038
all I can say t the 12 year olds who say "It's for children" reply, So, you should have one then. RIght?

Still, I think it's MAINLY the fact that Nintendo don't opt for the "REALISM" of The Getaway and such, so many think, IT'S KIDDY! I may be talking rubbish now though, I always do.
Tue 28/01/03 at 11:18
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"Long time no see!"
Posts: 8,351
Personally, althought I've been a fan of Nintendo for over 12 years, I've never even taken the slightest bit of interest in anything Pokémon. I've seen the cartoon on TV and its shoddiness just put me right-off. But when I look around I see it everywhere... And it's not just the videos and video games either, there are now T-shirts, key-rings, bed-spreads, and just about any other product you can think of is BOUND to have been covered in Pokémon at some time within the last few years.

No matter what age they are, kids seem to love this thing. But I just don't get it...
What's so great about a dodgy Japanese cartoon with off-sinc lip movements and an overall appearence that makes it look like it's just come off the back of a lorry!
Seriously, how could Nintendo - the masters behind Mario, Zelda and Metroid - have ever created something so... cheap and lacking in so much quality. But for one reason or another, being the simple-minded human-beings that they are, kids seem to love this ageing craze, just like the Japanese do, at all ages.
So, with Nintendo in control, something this big can't be bad for them... Can it?


If you know Nintendo today, then you'll know where they stand in terms of world-wide popularity; rock-bottom! SONY lead the way with their PlayStations as the coolest guys around, while Bill Gates buys his way into second-place with his Microsoft X-Box and all that PC stuff that every nerd worships him for.
And what do Nintendo have? Well, you'd think that games like the Super Mario and Legend of Zelda series' would've been enough by now to have secured Nintendo's position as No.1 with their experience and know-how of the gaming world spanning at around 20 years right now, wouldn't you? But it's not, thanks to one-too-many so-called "gamers" out there who just want to be like everyone else to fit in and look cool. Idiots...


The sensation known world-wide today as "Pokémon" emerged back in the mid-1990's - at around the same time as SONY and Nintendo went their seperate ways after proposals for a PlayStation add-on for the Super Nintendo, leaving the multi-media giants free to start their own 32-bit console in the form of the `SONY PlayStation`. And with its games to come, including the horrifying Resident Evil series along with the likes of Tomb Raider and some superbly life-like racers, the PSX would soon become the more "mature" console of the lot; whiping out the pricey SEGA Saturn and Nintendo's N64 - despite each console's individual qualities and superiorities over the "trendy" PlayStation.

To me, this is when this whole idea of Nintendo games being "kiddy" and "immature" started, and I do not believe that it is solely down to the arrival and progression of the PlayStation, despite what many people have been saying for the past few years.
I know Pokeémon isn't the first thing you think about when Nintendo comes to mind, but you can't ignore the fact that the whole franchise does seem suitable for only younger audiences after it become the next big thing for kids following-on from crazes of the years before like the Teenage Mutant Ninja/Hero Turtles, and the Power Rangers, for example (both of which I enjoyed as a kid!). Super Mario and even The Legend of Zelda may both seem rather childish to the average eye at times, but after one-too-many ground-breaking games from both these franchises alone, many people have come to see the truth about these titles now, and that they are not as "kiddy" as they may have at first seemed to be, where as Pokémon however IS.


I'm not trying to say that Pokémon is neccesarily a bad thing or anyhing like that, it's just that I believe that Pikachu and Mewtwo and co. and the culprites behind that have helped to give Nintendo such a "different" to that of what it was 10-years-ago in the `Golden Age of Gaming`. By all means, Pokémon has done a hell-of-a-lot for Nintendo in terms of finances and attracting even younger gamers to their work. But somehow it has also managed to spread its lack of maturity falsely onto the faces of Mario, Luigi and Link, along with many others.
I don't think Nintendo should get rid of or "destroy" Pokémon or anything as that would be insane. But what I think they need to do now to shake-off this false image is to distinguish the big-difference between the Pokémon and Mario and co. to make it clear to us all that not all of Nintendo's creative and inspiring bright ideas can be categorised under the exact same headings. I fear that if they don't do something soon, it may be all too-late as the future-generations of gamers come in and ignore Nintendo for the bigger names at the top (SONY and Microsoft).


Nintendo aren't really as kiddy as they may at first seem!

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