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Go back over the wonders of PHP and it's useage...
I've just compiled a page of links for a political site I have been working on, in all there are over 800 of them on this page...
Out of this 800+ there are:
200 using ASP and 1 using PHP! That's right... 1...
Now all of these are large global sites of major status, so if PHP is that amazing, how come only one of them uses it?
I've just compiled a page of links for a political site I have been working on, in all there are over 800 of them on this page...
Out of this 800+ there are:
200 using ASP and 1 using PHP! That's right... 1...
Now all of these are large global sites of major status, so if PHP is that amazing, how come only one of them uses it?
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Bob wrote:
> A big reason for using ASP is stupid management. Microsoft reps come in with
> fancy graphics and presentations and woo the management. PHP doesn't do this as
> its free and doesn't need to sell itself. If you want to see how wide spread its
> use is then check out the web server survey figures published every month.
>to see the web server charts which show apache has nearly 64% of
> the market and MS only has 26%.
>to see the apache module chart which shows php is installed in
> 50% of apache servers. That means that 32% of web servers have apache with php
> which is higher then the total number of IIS servers out there.
Spooky!! I've just been looking at these stats for another topic... How bizzarre!!
> A big reason for using ASP is stupid management. Microsoft reps come in with
> fancy graphics and presentations and woo the management. PHP doesn't do this as
> its free and doesn't need to sell itself. If you want to see how wide spread its
> use is then check out the web server survey figures published every month.
>to see the web server charts which show apache has nearly 64% of
> the market and MS only has 26%.
>to see the apache module chart which shows php is installed in
> 50% of apache servers. That means that 32% of web servers have apache with php
> which is higher then the total number of IIS servers out there.
Spooky!! I've just been looking at these stats for another topic... How bizzarre!!
Bob wrote:
> the apache module chart which shows php is installed in 50% of apache servers. That means that 32% of web servers have apache with php which is higher then the total number of IIS servers out there.
With only a growth rate of 1.1%... Thats quite a slow rate of adoption.
> the apache module chart which shows php is installed in 50% of apache servers. That means that 32% of web servers have apache with php which is higher then the total number of IIS servers out there.
With only a growth rate of 1.1%... Thats quite a slow rate of adoption.
PHP is much more secure than ASP, partly because new releases and bug fixes get turned around and released much quicker.
Also, I wouldn't know how much it would be to convert but you'd be able to forget all about lisencing costs,
Also, I wouldn't know how much it would be to convert but you'd be able to forget all about lisencing costs,
Turbonutter wrote:
> PHP is much more secure than ASP, partly because new releases and bug fixes get turned around and released much quicker.
Just a query really, as the train of thougt here is that Open Source software tends to be seen as more more insecure because of it's nature. But theat's developers for you!!
>Also, I wouldn't know how much it would be to convert but you'd be able to forget all about lisencing costs...
We only have to pay for them once!! instead of per-server!!
> PHP is much more secure than ASP, partly because new releases and bug fixes get turned around and released much quicker.
Just a query really, as the train of thougt here is that Open Source software tends to be seen as more more insecure because of it's nature. But theat's developers for you!!
>Also, I wouldn't know how much it would be to convert but you'd be able to forget all about lisencing costs...
We only have to pay for them once!! instead of per-server!!
For Linux you don't have to pay them at all!
Open Source is a funny thing. People can argue that if you can see the source then it's less secure. However, holes get spotted much quicker and then closed. Also, if it's open source, new can let out much quicker, all someone has to do is write a fix, and then you either patch the source or get a whole new patch.
Think of it this way: How many Apache-attacking viri are there compared to IIS-attacking viri? Also, why is there only one (reletively minor) Linux-attacking virus and millions of Windows-attacking ones?
PHP is a little different though. Because you write it yourself, it's only as secure as the script you write. The same goes for ASP. However, PHP has less HOLES than ASP does.
Open Source is a funny thing. People can argue that if you can see the source then it's less secure. However, holes get spotted much quicker and then closed. Also, if it's open source, new can let out much quicker, all someone has to do is write a fix, and then you either patch the source or get a whole new patch.
Think of it this way: How many Apache-attacking viri are there compared to IIS-attacking viri? Also, why is there only one (reletively minor) Linux-attacking virus and millions of Windows-attacking ones?
PHP is a little different though. Because you write it yourself, it's only as secure as the script you write. The same goes for ASP. However, PHP has less HOLES than ASP does.
Turbonutter wrote:
> PHP is a little different though. Because you write it yourself, it's only as secure as the script you write. The same goes for ASP. However, PHP has less HOLES than ASP does.
I'm starting to see the benefits of PHP and have spent some time looking st the differences between ASP and PHP and what impact it would have on our business model (I thought I'd never see the day I'd say that) and have started to look into it as a more cost effective way of producing some of the "minor" sites we produce here. All I need to do now is convince management and our developers!!
I still want to wait and see what .NET has to offer!!
> PHP is a little different though. Because you write it yourself, it's only as secure as the script you write. The same goes for ASP. However, PHP has less HOLES than ASP does.
I'm starting to see the benefits of PHP and have spent some time looking st the differences between ASP and PHP and what impact it would have on our business model (I thought I'd never see the day I'd say that) and have started to look into it as a more cost effective way of producing some of the "minor" sites we produce here. All I need to do now is convince management and our developers!!
I still want to wait and see what .NET has to offer!!
Converting your whole setup to a Unix/Apache/PHP setup would be quite hard and probably very stupid. However, if you need to add any more boxes you should consider going to a Unix setup. Unix servers cost nothing like the millions you have spent to get yours up and running, and maintainence should be cheaper too.
Turbonutter wrote:
> Converting your whole setup to a Unix/Apache/PHP setup would be quite hard and probably very stupid.
I have mentioned this before... But just to implement PHP wouldn't be a problem for test purposes especially as the G4 is ready to go.
>However, if you need to add any more boxes you should consider going to a Unix setup.
I do beleive we have just purchased a Unix box!!
> Converting your whole setup to a Unix/Apache/PHP setup would be quite hard and probably very stupid.
I have mentioned this before... But just to implement PHP wouldn't be a problem for test purposes especially as the G4 is ready to go.
>However, if you need to add any more boxes you should consider going to a Unix setup.
I do beleive we have just purchased a Unix box!!
http://www.securereality.com.au/studyinscarlet.txt
Worth a read about how secure PHP is. Of course can produce many rants about ASP too. But if you already work in ASP should be more aware of its short comings. Better the devil you know...
Personally if I was solely an ASP developer, I'd be sitting back and waiting to see what happens with .NET than worry about PHP. Having said that, PHP is nice and fast, and very easy to integrate with a MySQL DB (can use other DBs but a bit more fiddly I believe).
I'm happy to use both though.
Not that I ever do, I'm too idle and do everything in Perl. :)
Worth a read about how secure PHP is. Of course can produce many rants about ASP too. But if you already work in ASP should be more aware of its short comings. Better the devil you know...
Personally if I was solely an ASP developer, I'd be sitting back and waiting to see what happens with .NET than worry about PHP. Having said that, PHP is nice and fast, and very easy to integrate with a MySQL DB (can use other DBs but a bit more fiddly I believe).
I'm happy to use both though.
Not that I ever do, I'm too idle and do everything in Perl. :)
Garin wrote:
> http://www.securereality.com.au/studyinscarlet.txt
Worth a read about how secure PHP is.
Excellent read... and now wavering about it!
>Personally if I was solely an ASP developer, I'd be sitting back and waiting to see what happens with .NET than worry about PHP.
Oddly enough, that what we intend to do. .NET looks very promising and as we are MS based, it would be much easier to make the switch.
> http://www.securereality.com.au/studyinscarlet.txt
Worth a read about how secure PHP is.
Excellent read... and now wavering about it!
>Personally if I was solely an ASP developer, I'd be sitting back and waiting to see what happens with .NET than worry about PHP.
Oddly enough, that what we intend to do. .NET looks very promising and as we are MS based, it would be much easier to make the switch.
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