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Interesting article on Gamesindustry.biz
Basically the author is suggesting that Microsoft are using the long drawn out battle between HD-DVD and Blu-ray to ensure that consumers get so fed up that they switch to electronic distribution instead of blowing money on a physical format that might not be around very long. And Microsoft just happen to be geard up for electronic distribution (XBox Live Marketplace).
The only flaw in this argument is that I suspect Sony are pretty much geared up for electronic distribution as well, so even should consumers turn to electronic downloads Sony are still in business.
Even should Blu-ray win (which is looking more and more likely - it only really needs Universal, the only Hollywood studio still supporting HD-DVD to join them) Microsoft are quite capable of popping a Blu-ray player into the next generation of XBox so it's no skin off their nose.
But if electronic distribution of movies and games takes off as big as music has, where does that leave the likes of Virgin Megastores, Blockbuster and our local indies? It's surprising that CDs have lasted as long as they have, but thinking about it I don't think my 14 year old niece has ever bought a CD in her life and she's really into music (via her i-pod).
Interesting times.
Basically the author is suggesting that Microsoft are using the long drawn out battle between HD-DVD and Blu-ray to ensure that consumers get so fed up that they switch to electronic distribution instead of blowing money on a physical format that might not be around very long. And Microsoft just happen to be geard up for electronic distribution (XBox Live Marketplace).
The only flaw in this argument is that I suspect Sony are pretty much geared up for electronic distribution as well, so even should consumers turn to electronic downloads Sony are still in business.
Even should Blu-ray win (which is looking more and more likely - it only really needs Universal, the only Hollywood studio still supporting HD-DVD to join them) Microsoft are quite capable of popping a Blu-ray player into the next generation of XBox so it's no skin off their nose.
But if electronic distribution of movies and games takes off as big as music has, where does that leave the likes of Virgin Megastores, Blockbuster and our local indies? It's surprising that CDs have lasted as long as they have, but thinking about it I don't think my 14 year old niece has ever bought a CD in her life and she's really into music (via her i-pod).
Interesting times.
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Garin wrote:
> Its a bit of a fanboy article in my opinion. HD-DVD appears to
> have lost and somebody comes out with "oh Microsoft werent
> interested in it anyway". Microsoft helped create HD-DVD,
> the software side of it was developed by them and Toshiba. So
> to try to make out they are some disinterested third party who
> dont really care who wins is a bit far fetched to me. And 11.5
> million Xbox 360s split between 2 models, one that has no HD and
> the other a miserly 20 gig. Not the model choices of a company
> that was going to favour digital distribution in my opinion.
Hence the 120GB HD that's been out in America for a few months now.
It hasn't exactly been launched in secret.
> Its a bit of a fanboy article in my opinion. HD-DVD appears to
> have lost and somebody comes out with "oh Microsoft werent
> interested in it anyway". Microsoft helped create HD-DVD,
> the software side of it was developed by them and Toshiba. So
> to try to make out they are some disinterested third party who
> dont really care who wins is a bit far fetched to me. And 11.5
> million Xbox 360s split between 2 models, one that has no HD and
> the other a miserly 20 gig. Not the model choices of a company
> that was going to favour digital distribution in my opinion.
Hence the 120GB HD that's been out in America for a few months now.
It hasn't exactly been launched in secret.
Your Honour wrote:
>
> Kids today (how old does that make me feel?) who have never
> bought a cd and only download music, either legally or not, know
> no different, and as they get old they will be more happy to
> download entire games and films.
Especially if the storage media keeps increasing in size so they can store it off the comp. :D
That's why free downloads to the same comp after purchase are likely to defeat the 'but I need to copy it for a backup' argument people use.
>
> Kids today (how old does that make me feel?) who have never
> bought a cd and only download music, either legally or not, know
> no different, and as they get old they will be more happy to
> download entire games and films.
Especially if the storage media keeps increasing in size so they can store it off the comp. :D
That's why free downloads to the same comp after purchase are likely to defeat the 'but I need to copy it for a backup' argument people use.
Geffdof wrote:
> Hedfix wrote:
>
>
> Also, funnily enough, I think people are more used to not
> having
> a physical piece of media for a movie/show due to piracy.
>
> Yeah, but when I'm paying money I want an actual disc. I cant
> accidentally delete my DVD collection, but I could accidentally
> delete a file on my computer after paying £20 for it.
It's possible that having paid for it you would be allowed to download it more than once to the same computer.
This is what happens on Xbox Live Arcade when you buy a game, if you delete it you can get it again as many times as you like free of charge to the same console that your account is on.
> Hedfix wrote:
>
>
> Also, funnily enough, I think people are more used to not
> having
> a physical piece of media for a movie/show due to piracy.
>
> Yeah, but when I'm paying money I want an actual disc. I cant
> accidentally delete my DVD collection, but I could accidentally
> delete a file on my computer after paying £20 for it.
It's possible that having paid for it you would be allowed to download it more than once to the same computer.
This is what happens on Xbox Live Arcade when you buy a game, if you delete it you can get it again as many times as you like free of charge to the same console that your account is on.
Geffdof wrote:
> Yeah, but when I'm paying money I want an actual disc. I cant
> accidentally delete my DVD collection, but I could accidentally
> delete a file on my computer after paying £20 for it.
On the other hand, with the ability to download content that you've paid for previously free of charge if you lose it, (which most online services do, like Apple and Live), look at it this way:
You can accidentally delete your physical DVD collection (housefire, maybe) and you'd have to make an insurance claim to replace it, if you wipe a HDD by accident and lose your virtual collection you just have the inconvenience of the time it takes to download again, no loss of no claims bonus.
I can understand the touchy-feely sentiment though. Virtual beer will never take off in a big way. (Not yet, anyway).
> Yeah, but when I'm paying money I want an actual disc. I cant
> accidentally delete my DVD collection, but I could accidentally
> delete a file on my computer after paying £20 for it.
On the other hand, with the ability to download content that you've paid for previously free of charge if you lose it, (which most online services do, like Apple and Live), look at it this way:
You can accidentally delete your physical DVD collection (housefire, maybe) and you'd have to make an insurance claim to replace it, if you wipe a HDD by accident and lose your virtual collection you just have the inconvenience of the time it takes to download again, no loss of no claims bonus.
I can understand the touchy-feely sentiment though. Virtual beer will never take off in a big way. (Not yet, anyway).
Hedfix wrote:
>
> Also, funnily enough, I think people are more used to not having
> a physical piece of media for a movie/show due to piracy.
Yeah, but when I'm paying money I want an actual disc. I cant accidentally delete my DVD collection, but I could accidentally delete a file on my computer after paying £20 for it.
>
> Also, funnily enough, I think people are more used to not having
> a physical piece of media for a movie/show due to piracy.
Yeah, but when I'm paying money I want an actual disc. I cant accidentally delete my DVD collection, but I could accidentally delete a file on my computer after paying £20 for it.
Its a bit of a fanboy article in my opinion. HD-DVD appears to have lost and somebody comes out with "oh Microsoft werent interested in it anyway". Microsoft helped create HD-DVD, the software side of it was developed by them and Toshiba. So to try to make out they are some disinterested third party who dont really care who wins is a bit far fetched to me. And 11.5 million Xbox 360s split between 2 models, one that has no HD and the other a miserly 20 gig. Not the model choices of a company that was going to favour digital distribution in my opinion.
Although we dont get to see much of it in the UK, game and film distribution via the internet has been around several years now. I dont think theres much sign it'll replace physical formats anyway. And comparisons with music arent apt because consumer habits are different. Digital music was driven by portability and that wont be as big a factor for movies (or games) I believe.
Although we dont get to see much of it in the UK, game and film distribution via the internet has been around several years now. I dont think theres much sign it'll replace physical formats anyway. And comparisons with music arent apt because consumer habits are different. Digital music was driven by portability and that wont be as big a factor for movies (or games) I believe.
I think it's different with a TV show. Things like Lost or 24 we'd watch on Sky (if we had it) - no physical media. So downloading it and watching it is no different.
Kids today (how old does that make me feel?) who have never bought a cd and only download music, either legally or not, know no different, and as they get old they will be more happy to download entire games and films.
There are still a lot of people my age who don't like to download stuff.
Kids today (how old does that make me feel?) who have never bought a cd and only download music, either legally or not, know no different, and as they get old they will be more happy to download entire games and films.
There are still a lot of people my age who don't like to download stuff.
Your Honour wrote:
> Yeah, I read that peice too. I think it's quite possible, to be
> honest. Regarding your point about Sony being able to offer
> digital downloads - will they want to after the millions they've
> poured into Blu-Ray?
They might not want to but they're going to have to considering TV channels are offering various downloads + streaming of shows from their sites and MS are continually pushing downloadable media including the tv and movies part which will be coming to european 360s by the end of the year.
Also, funnily enough, I think people are more used to not having a physical piece of media for a movie/show due to piracy.
> Yeah, I read that peice too. I think it's quite possible, to be
> honest. Regarding your point about Sony being able to offer
> digital downloads - will they want to after the millions they've
> poured into Blu-Ray?
They might not want to but they're going to have to considering TV channels are offering various downloads + streaming of shows from their sites and MS are continually pushing downloadable media including the tv and movies part which will be coming to european 360s by the end of the year.
Also, funnily enough, I think people are more used to not having a physical piece of media for a movie/show due to piracy.
We're a bit behind in Broadband speeds, though BT have promised to eventually change all copper wire connections to Fibre Optic now.
Yeah, its still too early to really get HD downloads going, especially here (though when did the UK matter?), all of which points to Blu-ray being all the more succesful.
Yeah, its still too early to really get HD downloads going, especially here (though when did the UK matter?), all of which points to Blu-ray being all the more succesful.
Its a bit of a far fetched story in my eyes. As YH said, many people like the physical media to show something for their money, but also its easier to use.
You can go and get a disk from the high street and pop it in your player. Its that simple. To many people the idea of downloading films adds too many complicated steps. I suspect that it will take off in the future, but not soon enough to make Blu-ray and HD-DVD pointless.
You can go and get a disk from the high street and pop it in your player. Its that simple. To many people the idea of downloading films adds too many complicated steps. I suspect that it will take off in the future, but not soon enough to make Blu-ray and HD-DVD pointless.
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