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The GameCube has Zelda and Mario, which are impossible to beat. Impossible. Nintendo will undoubtedly raise the bar even higher with there next- generation games, as they always have. We haven't actually seen the games yet however, just demos. As for exclusive, Microsoft has at least three titles off the top of my head: Munch's Oddysee, Halo, and Malice. As for blowing specs out of proportion, we'll have to wait until the games come out for the final verdict. I'm not saying specs aren't being blown, mind you, just that we can't pass judgement without an actual finished product to analyze. The jury's still out. And frankly, it seems a little bit like the GameCube boys are just trying to defend the low spec numbers promoted by Nintendo.
Other than that, the only argument I can give you against the GameCube is the same argument I can give you against the N64 -- the great games were astounding& but where was the third party support? Where were the games? After the first year, it seemed that all us N64 gamers did was wait for the next Rare or Nintendo title to come out, since there was nothing else to look forward to. In comparison to other console systems, the N64 was a failure, despite some incredibly high moments. Will the GameCube deliver the third party support that the N64 lacked? Hopefully. But at this point, I'm still worried.
Other than that, the only argument I can give you against the GameCube is the same argument I can give you against the N64 -- the great games were astounding& but where was the third party support? Where were the games? After the first year, it seemed that all us N64 gamers did was wait for the next Rare or Nintendo title to come out, since there was nothing else to look forward to. In comparison to other console systems, the N64 was a failure, despite some incredibly high moments. Will the GameCube deliver the third party support that the N64 lacked? Hopefully. But at this point, I'm still worried.
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Well said Strafex... If you're interested, I have a topic about Ninty in Prime...
Anyway, I do slate Nintendo a lot... because they still think everything is A OK! Surely someone in the company has seen that marketting is often more effective than good games?
Well, Merry Christmas to you all in the Ninty room, and have a happy New Year.
Sonic
Anyway, I do slate Nintendo a lot... because they still think everything is A OK! Surely someone in the company has seen that marketting is often more effective than good games?
Well, Merry Christmas to you all in the Ninty room, and have a happy New Year.
Sonic
I see your point about the mini game "short but sweet" spree (that's annoying me too), but other than that, Mr Casual has the likes of Tony Hawks, Rogue Leader (if that's not a mainstreamer magnet, then what is?) and a fair few more third party titles that'll help pull Mr Casual.
And besides, Hal made the first Smash Brothers as well and Dinosaur Planet was a game long before Starfox was in it...
I think that Miyamoto's spent more time on lots of mini projects than concentrating on one or two major tasks.
He's planning on releasing a game every month in the near future (rather than an epic every year or so).
In the meantime, despite the lack of a big game from Mr Miyamoto, there's still the likes of Rogue Leader and co. as well as games like Monkey Ball and Smash Brothers, the latter of which has go scores nearly as high as Halo (and seeing as Smash Brothers is more or less multiplayer only, that's a seriously high endorsement).
Nintendo got slagged off for not enough quantity last time round so they changed and unfortunately, they didn't manage to get out a big game on time as a result.
And while they probably COULD have done better, you still slate them a bit more than they should.
What I want to know, is whether this "short and sweet" policy is fact or speculation/rumour. I'm hoping that it's not true.
Anyway, enough with the arguing.
I'm happy with the launch line up as there's atleast 3 games that I really want from it.
If Mr Casual doesn't like it then they can go screw themselves for all I care.
It's selling comfortably so it won't be abandoned Dreamcast style. Little else matters for now.
And besides, Hal made the first Smash Brothers as well and Dinosaur Planet was a game long before Starfox was in it...
I think that Miyamoto's spent more time on lots of mini projects than concentrating on one or two major tasks.
He's planning on releasing a game every month in the near future (rather than an epic every year or so).
In the meantime, despite the lack of a big game from Mr Miyamoto, there's still the likes of Rogue Leader and co. as well as games like Monkey Ball and Smash Brothers, the latter of which has go scores nearly as high as Halo (and seeing as Smash Brothers is more or less multiplayer only, that's a seriously high endorsement).
Nintendo got slagged off for not enough quantity last time round so they changed and unfortunately, they didn't manage to get out a big game on time as a result.
And while they probably COULD have done better, you still slate them a bit more than they should.
What I want to know, is whether this "short and sweet" policy is fact or speculation/rumour. I'm hoping that it's not true.
Anyway, enough with the arguing.
I'm happy with the launch line up as there's atleast 3 games that I really want from it.
If Mr Casual doesn't like it then they can go screw themselves for all I care.
It's selling comfortably so it won't be abandoned Dreamcast style. Little else matters for now.
Strafex wrote:
"Anyway, you seem to always dig the Gamecube launch line up.
Sure, there's nothing that blows everything else out of the water this time but there's plenty of great titles which easily stand up to the competition."
Think about it. We are now in a market with three consoles. One is already established extremely well, and one has a huge marketting budget. So you'd expect Ninty to pull out all the big guns for release with some killer titles.
We all know Ninty can do this... after all, they released Mario 64 on the N64. But what REALLY REALLY REALLY annoys me about ninty this time around is that they have given away most of their franchises to other developers (Metroid, Smash Bros, Starfox and many more games are being made outside Ninty) AND YET they still haven't come up with a big killer game of their own!!?!
What have they spent their time doing? Has Miyamoto lost the plot? Instead of working hard to make a completely revolutionary game, he instead makes a couple of very light (but fun) games that, although good, won't pull people to the console.
OH! And add to that, some of the franchised games, esp Metroid, have been quite disaterous. At Ninty's last Spaceworld, the game was only shown for 8 seconds, with Miyamoto later having to say that the game was not only bad, but had no sound, no interaction, aweful popup, and was a disaster!
Now do you see why I'm annoyed?
"Because it hasn't had that big hit to begin with you're slating it."
Because it's releasing against the Xbox, which has as good a launch, if not better, AND the PS2 which is an established brand...
"Fair enough Nintendo perhaps could've done a bit better but other than that, the Gamecube launch line up is more than strong enough to warrant buying one."
Now this I'm not sure about. The console does warrant buying, simply because Zelda and the rest are being released on it. But does the launch alone warrant the console OVER the PS2 which is the same price, AND has a far larger library of game.
Remember, 90% of gamers are the casual sort who:
1) buy a console because of brandname
2) don't read gaming mags
So, not only will they be more inclined to get the "cool" PS2, BUT they will also not know about the next Zelda game, nor the rest of Ninty's planned games.
The GC does need big games at launch to get the support it needs.
Anyway, I'll be buying one mainly because of the titles to follow launch... not the launch titles themselves.
Sonic
"Anyway, you seem to always dig the Gamecube launch line up.
Sure, there's nothing that blows everything else out of the water this time but there's plenty of great titles which easily stand up to the competition."
Think about it. We are now in a market with three consoles. One is already established extremely well, and one has a huge marketting budget. So you'd expect Ninty to pull out all the big guns for release with some killer titles.
We all know Ninty can do this... after all, they released Mario 64 on the N64. But what REALLY REALLY REALLY annoys me about ninty this time around is that they have given away most of their franchises to other developers (Metroid, Smash Bros, Starfox and many more games are being made outside Ninty) AND YET they still haven't come up with a big killer game of their own!!?!
What have they spent their time doing? Has Miyamoto lost the plot? Instead of working hard to make a completely revolutionary game, he instead makes a couple of very light (but fun) games that, although good, won't pull people to the console.
OH! And add to that, some of the franchised games, esp Metroid, have been quite disaterous. At Ninty's last Spaceworld, the game was only shown for 8 seconds, with Miyamoto later having to say that the game was not only bad, but had no sound, no interaction, aweful popup, and was a disaster!
Now do you see why I'm annoyed?
"Because it hasn't had that big hit to begin with you're slating it."
Because it's releasing against the Xbox, which has as good a launch, if not better, AND the PS2 which is an established brand...
"Fair enough Nintendo perhaps could've done a bit better but other than that, the Gamecube launch line up is more than strong enough to warrant buying one."
Now this I'm not sure about. The console does warrant buying, simply because Zelda and the rest are being released on it. But does the launch alone warrant the console OVER the PS2 which is the same price, AND has a far larger library of game.
Remember, 90% of gamers are the casual sort who:
1) buy a console because of brandname
2) don't read gaming mags
So, not only will they be more inclined to get the "cool" PS2, BUT they will also not know about the next Zelda game, nor the rest of Ninty's planned games.
The GC does need big games at launch to get the support it needs.
Anyway, I'll be buying one mainly because of the titles to follow launch... not the launch titles themselves.
Sonic
Halo is the only Xbox launch title that appeals to me and that'll be out on PC anyway.
===SONICRAV---> wrote:
> Strafex wrote:
They're already looking and playing great now, and
> there
> are a few titles that Sonic has sort of overlooked.
So that's why I'm
> buying a GC is it???
What I find even more amazing is that I have mentioned
> this in at least half a dozen other topics that you have replied to Strafex...
> odd how you "forget" things so easily.
You replied to the last one AFTER I posted this.
Anyway, you seem to always dig the Gamecube launch line up.
Sure, there's nothing that blows everything else out of the water this time but there's plenty of great titles which easily stand up to the competition.
Because it hasn't had that big hit to begin with you're slating it.
Fair enough Nintendo perhaps could've done a bit better but other than that, the Gamecube launch line up is more than strong enough to warrant buying one.
> Strafex wrote:
They're already looking and playing great now, and
> there
> are a few titles that Sonic has sort of overlooked.
So that's why I'm
> buying a GC is it???
What I find even more amazing is that I have mentioned
> this in at least half a dozen other topics that you have replied to Strafex...
> odd how you "forget" things so easily.
You replied to the last one AFTER I posted this.
Anyway, you seem to always dig the Gamecube launch line up.
Sure, there's nothing that blows everything else out of the water this time but there's plenty of great titles which easily stand up to the competition.
Because it hasn't had that big hit to begin with you're slating it.
Fair enough Nintendo perhaps could've done a bit better but other than that, the Gamecube launch line up is more than strong enough to warrant buying one.
Strafex wrote:
They're already looking and playing great now, and
> there are a few titles that Sonic has sort of overlooked.
So that's why I'm buying a GC is it???
What I find even more amazing is that I have mentioned this in at least half a dozen other topics that you have replied to Strafex... odd how you "forget" things so easily.
Oh, and in response to Solskjaer...
I was replying to a post (which I quoted!) that said that the GC's launch titles beats that Xbox's by miles... which I said wasn't at all true, and that the xbox has a supeior launch. I said NOTHING about games further down the line, simply because that has no relevance to the post I was replying to!
In fact, I'm going to buy a GC because I love the Res evil games and Zelda games...
Sonic
They're already looking and playing great now, and
> there are a few titles that Sonic has sort of overlooked.
So that's why I'm buying a GC is it???
What I find even more amazing is that I have mentioned this in at least half a dozen other topics that you have replied to Strafex... odd how you "forget" things so easily.
Oh, and in response to Solskjaer...
I was replying to a post (which I quoted!) that said that the GC's launch titles beats that Xbox's by miles... which I said wasn't at all true, and that the xbox has a supeior launch. I said NOTHING about games further down the line, simply because that has no relevance to the post I was replying to!
In fact, I'm going to buy a GC because I love the Res evil games and Zelda games...
Sonic
Solskjaer_24 wrote:
So in theory, either console could produce the best games overall, in a
> 5 year period. With the greater, more succesfull games appearing in the 4th/5th
> year, after each console has had years of gaming with their customers.
Only the Gamecube isn't such a pain to work with, unlike that big, bulky and cumbersome N64.
Expect the titles to be at their best by the third year.
They're already looking and playing great now, and there are a few titles that Sonic has sort of overlooked.
So in theory, either console could produce the best games overall, in a
> 5 year period. With the greater, more succesfull games appearing in the 4th/5th
> year, after each console has had years of gaming with their customers.
Only the Gamecube isn't such a pain to work with, unlike that big, bulky and cumbersome N64.
Expect the titles to be at their best by the third year.
They're already looking and playing great now, and there are a few titles that Sonic has sort of overlooked.
Yes Sonic, but you cannot judge a console on it's launch titles only. Look at the N64 for example. Many of it's greater games (Perfect Dark, Zelda 2, Conker...) came out towards the end of the console's reign. These games seem incredible when compared to the launch titles (Mario 64, Pilotwings...) back in '97.
So in theory, either console could produce the best games overall, in a 5 year period. With the greater, more succesfull games appearing in the 4th/5th year, after each console has had years of gaming with their customers.
So in theory, either console could produce the best games overall, in a 5 year period. With the greater, more succesfull games appearing in the 4th/5th year, after each console has had years of gaming with their customers.
damn, i should have double checked and read it again before i posted.
===SONICRAV---> wrote:
Ah,
> but compared to the xbox, there is a different story. The launch of the GC
> doesn't have any AAA titles looking at US GC reviews. The Xbox does, but it also
> has a completely different style of games (that are made to compete with the
> PS2, and not GC).
Sonic
I think that Rogue leader counts as an AAA title (so long as it doesn't crash on level 3 - so much for all those "unreliable Xbox" jokes :-D), and although you don't look at Monkey Ball and Smash Brothers pics and thnk "Must have!!", the reviews say that they're the definative multiplayer games.
Ah,
> but compared to the xbox, there is a different story. The launch of the GC
> doesn't have any AAA titles looking at US GC reviews. The Xbox does, but it also
> has a completely different style of games (that are made to compete with the
> PS2, and not GC).
Sonic
I think that Rogue leader counts as an AAA title (so long as it doesn't crash on level 3 - so much for all those "unreliable Xbox" jokes :-D), and although you don't look at Monkey Ball and Smash Brothers pics and thnk "Must have!!", the reviews say that they're the definative multiplayer games.
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