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Thats right folks. There's a pretty good chance that I won't be visiting this forum much longer.
Firstly, I've got myself a job. This will be taking up a lot of time I would usually use for posting here.
Secondly, the WWF bores me. They've been doing the same thing for the year and a half i've been watching. I've seen hundreds of matches involving The Rock, HHH, Austin... and they're all the same. The main eventers are killing the shows. I have lost all lust for bloody hardcore matches because it's much more real than I thought. The womens division is a joke. The only matches I enjoy watching are Lightheavyweight matches, and the WWF cares about these so much that they've got X-Pac as the champion, and Kidman off TV.
And thirdly, I don't have easy acsess to televised wrestling.
So - in true wrestling style, i'm putting my own personal stipulations on the upcoming PPV, Vengence. Unless the WWF push Chris Jericho to win the mini-torny, I will stop watching wrestling, and leave the forum.
Because right now, Chris Jericho is th only good thing in the WWF.
Firstly, I've got myself a job. This will be taking up a lot of time I would usually use for posting here.
Secondly, the WWF bores me. They've been doing the same thing for the year and a half i've been watching. I've seen hundreds of matches involving The Rock, HHH, Austin... and they're all the same. The main eventers are killing the shows. I have lost all lust for bloody hardcore matches because it's much more real than I thought. The womens division is a joke. The only matches I enjoy watching are Lightheavyweight matches, and the WWF cares about these so much that they've got X-Pac as the champion, and Kidman off TV.
And thirdly, I don't have easy acsess to televised wrestling.
So - in true wrestling style, i'm putting my own personal stipulations on the upcoming PPV, Vengence. Unless the WWF push Chris Jericho to win the mini-torny, I will stop watching wrestling, and leave the forum.
Because right now, Chris Jericho is th only good thing in the WWF.
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I'm glad that on Smackdowm RVD pinned Jericho. Hopefully it will mean that the WWF are pushing him again.
i was guted when jericho pinned austin,
jericho isnt the biggest superstar in the wwf and defonatly does not deserve to be the new and 1st undisputed champion.
jericho has not done enought in my mind in the wwf to earn that title.
rock and austin have been there for the wwf through thick and thin( i know austin joined the alliance but that was to put up the rateings by having the biggest superstar join another company)shurely these two great superstars deserve more than chris jericho.
but the person who i think should ov won this honour is the undertaker, i know the undertake is past it abit, but he can still performe great in and out the ring and he has been loyal and true to the wwf and the undertaker i think is the one who would beable to rise the rateings and bring back the good old days to the wwf,they should of had him return to the darkside and he would of destroyed the wwf,
and this story line could also bring kane up into wwf main event status.
sorry to all the jericholics out there but i dont think and i know many wwf fans will agree but jericho did not deserve to win the undisputed champion.
and also i think the wwf should get back to old skool and have less messing about on the mic and get more involved in wrestling matches does anybody agree???
and also they should open a new division called xtreme hardcore championship, where all the matches would be real hardcore matches not just some chairs and the ringbell getting involved.real hardcore matches like the rvd vs the undertaker match.
in the division they could have RVD, MATT and JEFF HARDY, bring back KEN SHAMROCK, RAVEN, TAZZ, JERRY LYNN, and TAJIRI
does anybody agree or disagree with me about any of these comments?
jericho isnt the biggest superstar in the wwf and defonatly does not deserve to be the new and 1st undisputed champion.
jericho has not done enought in my mind in the wwf to earn that title.
rock and austin have been there for the wwf through thick and thin( i know austin joined the alliance but that was to put up the rateings by having the biggest superstar join another company)shurely these two great superstars deserve more than chris jericho.
but the person who i think should ov won this honour is the undertaker, i know the undertake is past it abit, but he can still performe great in and out the ring and he has been loyal and true to the wwf and the undertaker i think is the one who would beable to rise the rateings and bring back the good old days to the wwf,they should of had him return to the darkside and he would of destroyed the wwf,
and this story line could also bring kane up into wwf main event status.
sorry to all the jericholics out there but i dont think and i know many wwf fans will agree but jericho did not deserve to win the undisputed champion.
and also i think the wwf should get back to old skool and have less messing about on the mic and get more involved in wrestling matches does anybody agree???
and also they should open a new division called xtreme hardcore championship, where all the matches would be real hardcore matches not just some chairs and the ringbell getting involved.real hardcore matches like the rvd vs the undertaker match.
in the division they could have RVD, MATT and JEFF HARDY, bring back KEN SHAMROCK, RAVEN, TAZZ, JERRY LYNN, and TAJIRI
does anybody agree or disagree with me about any of these comments?
Okay Cheesio i'm not going to discuss all your points otherwise I will be here all night but...
You said why is the Rock at the top because he can cut a good promo?
Yes that is a reason, look at how many interviews and promos he cuts in the WWF, he is one of the best most entertaining people in the WWF, being good on the mic is a talent not so many have.
Also a reason Y2J is now at the top is because if his heel turn, before that for 2 years Jericho didn't change, for two years he didn't do anything new, for two years he called Stephanie Mcmahon a trash bag wh*re, for two years Chris Jericho wrestled the same match over and over, he's not even entertaining until his recent heel turn that is.
Austin may not be the best wrestler but at least he does something new / different every now and again and he portrays his character well.
Anyway it's entertaining and that's what the WWF are aiming for, Jericho may now be a big star all fine and dandy, in my opinion he didn't deserve such a big win, gaining a title is alright but being the first ever undisputed champion of the world, that shouldn't have gone to him.
Anyway I kinda like Y2J's heel turn at least he is entertaining me now.
You said why is the Rock at the top because he can cut a good promo?
Yes that is a reason, look at how many interviews and promos he cuts in the WWF, he is one of the best most entertaining people in the WWF, being good on the mic is a talent not so many have.
Also a reason Y2J is now at the top is because if his heel turn, before that for 2 years Jericho didn't change, for two years he didn't do anything new, for two years he called Stephanie Mcmahon a trash bag wh*re, for two years Chris Jericho wrestled the same match over and over, he's not even entertaining until his recent heel turn that is.
Austin may not be the best wrestler but at least he does something new / different every now and again and he portrays his character well.
Anyway it's entertaining and that's what the WWF are aiming for, Jericho may now be a big star all fine and dandy, in my opinion he didn't deserve such a big win, gaining a title is alright but being the first ever undisputed champion of the world, that shouldn't have gone to him.
Anyway I kinda like Y2J's heel turn at least he is entertaining me now.
IB wrote: - Your not expected to know as your quite new to the WWF. BUT, Austin made the WWF 1997-1999. His fued with McMahon was one of the greatest. The old Stone Cold deserves alot. Rock- a true entertainer and a great athlete. He has had some very good fueds in the past and to the day continues to entertain and deserves alot.
Hogan made the WWF in the 1990s. Does he deserve to be champ? No, he doesn't, because he's past his prime, as is Austin.
And the VKM/Austin feud was not exaclty written by Austin. We have Vince Russo to thank for that. Yes, Vince Russo, the man who gave Scotty his retarded gimmick, and Vince Russo, the man who killed WCW. Russo had a great idea, his only one ever, and it worked. Put any other superstar there in Austins place, and it would be the same.
Hogan made the WWF in the 1990s. Does he deserve to be champ? No, he doesn't, because he's past his prime, as is Austin.
And the VKM/Austin feud was not exaclty written by Austin. We have Vince Russo to thank for that. Yes, Vince Russo, the man who gave Scotty his retarded gimmick, and Vince Russo, the man who killed WCW. Russo had a great idea, his only one ever, and it worked. Put any other superstar there in Austins place, and it would be the same.
Mouldy Cheese wrote:
The reason Jericho deserved to win is because he
> has never, ever been the champion before. Since he debuted, the only people who
> have been champion are Austin, HHH, Rocky, and Kirk. The main event scene has
> been the same old faces for years now, minus a Foley or two. Rock, HHH, Austin,
> Kirk, Taker... how many times have we seen these guys against each other?
They have some very good matches, cut very good promos and are generally top entertainers.
This over-saturation
> of top stars has been what was killing the WWF since WMania (along with the
> allaince). Vince seems to have finally realised that we need someone new to come
> along and main event. I thought he had taken the plunge on RVD a couple of
> months back, but that push has dissolved.
Shame, I was starting to like RVD. Benoit would be a good champ, RVD would, Kane would and Jericho wouldn't/doesn't.
Ever since Jericho entered the WWF,
> he has been over. When he debuted, he cut what I believe to be one of the most
> effective promos of all time, alongside Pillmans ECW one. He came out to a face
> reaction - he left to a vicious booing. That, my friends, is an effective
> promo.
-True, a good promo get's a reaction, but if the rock is boring, Jericho is too.
Jericho even managed to survive the travesty of jobbing to the
> manbeast Chyna. That is an achievement for anybody. He's been stuck in the upper
> mid card for two frikkin years now, consistently putting on good matches, but
> the glass ceiling has held him back.
-Good matches? One against HHH one against Benoit...?
Why the hell does Austin deserve the
> title? Because he's been there longer? Surely, by that logic, the Big Bossman
> should be the champ? What about Rocky, why does he deserve it? Because he can
> cut a decent promo?
- Your not expected to know as your quite new to the WWF. BUT, Austin made the WWF 1997-1999. His fued with McMahon was one of the greatest. The old Stone Cold deserves alot. Rock- a true entertainer and a great athlete. He has had some very good fueds in the past and to the day continues to entertain and deserves alot.
Now the ceiling is broken, and we are entering a new era
> in the WWF.
-a new era? The WWF is set to go pear shaped- come January 7th, 2 WWF's- That will be a new era, hopefully with a good stroyline, something we have been deprived of since HHH and McMahon (o- when Jericho joined).
Bring back 1998's and 1999's. They were the days.
The reason Jericho deserved to win is because he
> has never, ever been the champion before. Since he debuted, the only people who
> have been champion are Austin, HHH, Rocky, and Kirk. The main event scene has
> been the same old faces for years now, minus a Foley or two. Rock, HHH, Austin,
> Kirk, Taker... how many times have we seen these guys against each other?
They have some very good matches, cut very good promos and are generally top entertainers.
This over-saturation
> of top stars has been what was killing the WWF since WMania (along with the
> allaince). Vince seems to have finally realised that we need someone new to come
> along and main event. I thought he had taken the plunge on RVD a couple of
> months back, but that push has dissolved.
Shame, I was starting to like RVD. Benoit would be a good champ, RVD would, Kane would and Jericho wouldn't/doesn't.
Ever since Jericho entered the WWF,
> he has been over. When he debuted, he cut what I believe to be one of the most
> effective promos of all time, alongside Pillmans ECW one. He came out to a face
> reaction - he left to a vicious booing. That, my friends, is an effective
> promo.
-True, a good promo get's a reaction, but if the rock is boring, Jericho is too.
Jericho even managed to survive the travesty of jobbing to the
> manbeast Chyna. That is an achievement for anybody. He's been stuck in the upper
> mid card for two frikkin years now, consistently putting on good matches, but
> the glass ceiling has held him back.
-Good matches? One against HHH one against Benoit...?
Why the hell does Austin deserve the
> title? Because he's been there longer? Surely, by that logic, the Big Bossman
> should be the champ? What about Rocky, why does he deserve it? Because he can
> cut a decent promo?
- Your not expected to know as your quite new to the WWF. BUT, Austin made the WWF 1997-1999. His fued with McMahon was one of the greatest. The old Stone Cold deserves alot. Rock- a true entertainer and a great athlete. He has had some very good fueds in the past and to the day continues to entertain and deserves alot.
Now the ceiling is broken, and we are entering a new era
> in the WWF.
-a new era? The WWF is set to go pear shaped- come January 7th, 2 WWF's- That will be a new era, hopefully with a good stroyline, something we have been deprived of since HHH and McMahon (o- when Jericho joined).
Bring back 1998's and 1999's. They were the days.
Starlight wrote:
> Jericho shouldn't have won basically because he dosn't deserve to win such a big
> match, people like Rock and Austin did because they have been working there
> soooooo much longer and Jericho is now a grand slam champion, that reward in my
> opinion should only be kept for the top stars.
Great. Just as I'm about to start my Geography Coursework, you have to go and post that.
The reason Jericho deserved to win is because he has never, ever been the champion before. Since he debuted, the only people who have been champion are Austin, HHH, Rocky, and Kirk. The main event scene has been the same old faces for years now, minus a Foley or two. Rock, HHH, Austin, Kirk, Taker... how many times have we seen these guys against each other? Give any combination of these guys, and the chances are that we'll have been there, done that, and bored ourselves to sleep in the process.
This over-saturation of top stars has been what was killing the WWF since WMania (along with the allaince). Vince seems to have finally realised that we need someone new to come along and main event. I thought he had taken the plunge on RVD a couple of months back, but that push has dissolved.
Ever since Jericho entered the WWF, he has been over. When he debuted, he cut what I believe to be one of the most effective promos of all time, alongside Pillmans ECW one. He came out to a face reaction - he left to a vicious booing. That, my friends, is an effective promo.
Jericho even managed to survive the travesty of jobbing to the manbeast Chyna. That is an achievement for anybody. He's been stuck in the upper mid card for two frikkin years now, consistently putting on good matches, but the glass ceiling has held him back.
Why the hell does Austin deserve the title? Because he's been there longer? Surely, by that logic, the Big Bossman should be the champ? What about Rocky, why does he deserve it? Because he can cut a decent promo?
Now the ceiling is broken, and we are entering a new era in the WWF.
Oh, and BTW - Crash Holley is a grandslam champ, technichly. Anyway - since when have the titles been worth anything in WWF (or even WCW - David Arquette lol)? Look what they did to the WCW championship.
> Jericho shouldn't have won basically because he dosn't deserve to win such a big
> match, people like Rock and Austin did because they have been working there
> soooooo much longer and Jericho is now a grand slam champion, that reward in my
> opinion should only be kept for the top stars.
Great. Just as I'm about to start my Geography Coursework, you have to go and post that.
The reason Jericho deserved to win is because he has never, ever been the champion before. Since he debuted, the only people who have been champion are Austin, HHH, Rocky, and Kirk. The main event scene has been the same old faces for years now, minus a Foley or two. Rock, HHH, Austin, Kirk, Taker... how many times have we seen these guys against each other? Give any combination of these guys, and the chances are that we'll have been there, done that, and bored ourselves to sleep in the process.
This over-saturation of top stars has been what was killing the WWF since WMania (along with the allaince). Vince seems to have finally realised that we need someone new to come along and main event. I thought he had taken the plunge on RVD a couple of months back, but that push has dissolved.
Ever since Jericho entered the WWF, he has been over. When he debuted, he cut what I believe to be one of the most effective promos of all time, alongside Pillmans ECW one. He came out to a face reaction - he left to a vicious booing. That, my friends, is an effective promo.
Jericho even managed to survive the travesty of jobbing to the manbeast Chyna. That is an achievement for anybody. He's been stuck in the upper mid card for two frikkin years now, consistently putting on good matches, but the glass ceiling has held him back.
Why the hell does Austin deserve the title? Because he's been there longer? Surely, by that logic, the Big Bossman should be the champ? What about Rocky, why does he deserve it? Because he can cut a decent promo?
Now the ceiling is broken, and we are entering a new era in the WWF.
Oh, and BTW - Crash Holley is a grandslam champ, technichly. Anyway - since when have the titles been worth anything in WWF (or even WCW - David Arquette lol)? Look what they did to the WCW championship.
RastaBillySkank wrote:
> Ant wrote:
You are a sick
> boy, Rasta. A sick boy. :D
Hey! I'm a 13
> year old boy, whadda you expect?!
:-D
Ah, I guess I can forgive you, I know the feeling considering I'm at the tender age of 14. {:)
> Ant wrote:
You are a sick
> boy, Rasta. A sick boy. :D
Hey! I'm a 13
> year old boy, whadda you expect?!
:-D
Ah, I guess I can forgive you, I know the feeling considering I'm at the tender age of 14. {:)
Ant wrote:
You are a sick
> boy, Rasta. A sick boy. :D
Hey! I'm a 13 year old boy, whadda you expect?!
:-D
You are a sick
> boy, Rasta. A sick boy. :D
Hey! I'm a 13 year old boy, whadda you expect?!
:-D
RastaBillySkank wrote:
> AfroJoe wrote:
> I did. For some odd reason I liked the One Man Gang Bang.
> Strange.
>Ermm...
You are a sick boy, Rasta. A sick boy. :D
> AfroJoe wrote:
> I did. For some odd reason I liked the One Man Gang Bang.
> Strange.
>Ermm...
You are a sick boy, Rasta. A sick boy. :D
AfroJoe wrote:
> I did. For some odd reason I liked the One Man Gang Bang. Strange.
Ermm...
> I did. For some odd reason I liked the One Man Gang Bang. Strange.
Ermm...
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