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I'm not going to rant or try to persuade anyone about anything, merely report the facts:
Home Secretary David Blunkett is proposing we opt out of the European Charter on Human Civil Rights to enable us to "Fight terrorism more effectively".
I would just like to point out that the only terrorism we have faced, ever, is from the IRA and it's many splinter groups.
The same IRA that, 2-3 years ago, we released all the convicted murderers and terrorist at Xmas from the Maze prison in a token of "goodwill".
Blunkett says that the main benefit of opting out of the only system of civil liberties we currently possess would be to enable the police to arrest and detain someone "without charge" for a period of their discretion.
Home Secretary David Blunkett is proposing we opt out of the European Charter on Human Civil Rights to enable us to "Fight terrorism more effectively".
I would just like to point out that the only terrorism we have faced, ever, is from the IRA and it's many splinter groups.
The same IRA that, 2-3 years ago, we released all the convicted murderers and terrorist at Xmas from the Maze prison in a token of "goodwill".
Blunkett says that the main benefit of opting out of the only system of civil liberties we currently possess would be to enable the police to arrest and detain someone "without charge" for a period of their discretion.
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It's OK Goaty, we all go through those times of despair........
oh for f**** sake
I wrote something in word and cut'n'paste to here so I didnt sit at my desk with this window open and it wont let me put it.
Frustrating as hell.
Frustrating as hell.
I cant post...grrrr
So you would be surprised to hear that the head guy in the Muslim association at Dundee university has claimed he is in connection with al-Quaeda and is prepared to join the Holy War against the West? He lives in Scotland so is covered by the European Charter of Human Rights, and has the full support of the organisation he commands. How many people are sitting in the same position quielty?
These guys are openly operating out of the university library in Dundee, recruiting for something, but as of yet, no one knows what.
These guys are openly operating out of the university library in Dundee, recruiting for something, but as of yet, no one knows what.
Nice reply, and I really, really have to try and control myself in this topic so I'll post calmly and then leave it be, because I dont trust myself enough:
Yes The United States got whacked by The Taliban.
We didn't.
The only terrorist action we have ever faced, ever, is from a group that we know who they are, where they are and how they operate.
Once opting out of the legislate, it is comparitively difficult to get back in, purely because the European Courts take a dim view over those who decide to voluntarily bail out.
I can appreciate everyone saying "Ah but the terrorists, what about the terrorists", and all I can say is that we have only been victims of the IRA.
The Taliban/fundamentalist Muslims are directing their anger towards the States, simply because we wield little to no power whatsoever on the world stage.
I accept your points and I am merely stating my fear and unease at watching The United Kingdom turn into a state little better than Nuremburg circa 1932
Yes The United States got whacked by The Taliban.
We didn't.
The only terrorist action we have ever faced, ever, is from a group that we know who they are, where they are and how they operate.
Once opting out of the legislate, it is comparitively difficult to get back in, purely because the European Courts take a dim view over those who decide to voluntarily bail out.
I can appreciate everyone saying "Ah but the terrorists, what about the terrorists", and all I can say is that we have only been victims of the IRA.
The Taliban/fundamentalist Muslims are directing their anger towards the States, simply because we wield little to no power whatsoever on the world stage.
I accept your points and I am merely stating my fear and unease at watching The United Kingdom turn into a state little better than Nuremburg circa 1932
This process has been announced as a time limited option and as emergency legislation, and will be used as a last resort. It will mean that the UK has to opt out of the european Convention of Human Rights for a while, although we are expected to re-enter it once the current situation is resolved. Britaint is currently at war, and with the capability of our enemy to strike at the heart of the United States, our government would be better safe than sorry.
This may cast a whole shadow over devolution however, as it isn't possible for the legislation of the Scottish Parliament or the Welsh Assembly to be seperated from the European Charter of Human Rights. These systems incorporated this legislation when they were launched, and removing Westminster from the Human Charter may just flush terrorists out of England and into Scotland and Wales, until they launch attacks, making them harder to track down.
This may cast a whole shadow over devolution however, as it isn't possible for the legislation of the Scottish Parliament or the Welsh Assembly to be seperated from the European Charter of Human Rights. These systems incorporated this legislation when they were launched, and removing Westminster from the Human Charter may just flush terrorists out of England and into Scotland and Wales, until they launch attacks, making them harder to track down.
I'm not going to rant or try to persuade anyone about anything, merely report the facts:
Home Secretary David Blunkett is proposing we opt out of the European Charter on Human Civil Rights to enable us to "Fight terrorism more effectively".
I would just like to point out that the only terrorism we have faced, ever, is from the IRA and it's many splinter groups.
The same IRA that, 2-3 years ago, we released all the convicted murderers and terrorist at Xmas from the Maze prison in a token of "goodwill".
Blunkett says that the main benefit of opting out of the only system of civil liberties we currently possess would be to enable the police to arrest and detain someone "without charge" for a period of their discretion.
Home Secretary David Blunkett is proposing we opt out of the European Charter on Human Civil Rights to enable us to "Fight terrorism more effectively".
I would just like to point out that the only terrorism we have faced, ever, is from the IRA and it's many splinter groups.
The same IRA that, 2-3 years ago, we released all the convicted murderers and terrorist at Xmas from the Maze prison in a token of "goodwill".
Blunkett says that the main benefit of opting out of the only system of civil liberties we currently possess would be to enable the police to arrest and detain someone "without charge" for a period of their discretion.
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