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Sun 14/10/01 at 18:25
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I understand how utterly moronic this may seem at first glance, but it's something I've been thinking about recently.

Why are so many intelligent and gifted people so unhappy with life and the way they live? What on earth makes them so utterly deprived of their ability to enjoy themselves?

Or then, is depression something that comes with intelligence... or does it actually cause intelligence? Making us smarter and wiser, causing us to think more. Hundreds of artists, musicians, most talent in the world can be linked with a depressed childhood, and traumatic experiences. Can we link those to our gifts and talents, or is it only a compensation for something that we are born with?

I refuse to believe that a man is born an artist. Perhaps you have stronger muscles which have been genetically inherited... but we are not born with the ability to use a pen. We are not born with the ability to run, and we are not born with the ability to speak. We are basic humans, waiting for the template of the world to be set apon us.

So then, if our lives are not set, then would something like a traumatic experience make that much difference to our lives? Can it change us that much to give us skills and talents that we only ever dreamed of before?

I say yes. For trauma brings emotion, and emotion must be controlled. Once that is learned, then it can be filtered, and through practise of translating this emotion, creativity lives.

Assuming that this is correct... it does bring a huge discussion point, something that I can't decide, for confusion of humanity.

Is it right to traumatize a child, in the hope that the emotion caused by this will make the child stronger? Can something so utterly bad end up making something so perfectly good?

Surely there is another way that emotion can be carried? Surely depression isn't the only way to spark creativity...?

I'd certainly like to hope not... but depression and fear are very strong emotions, and it's hard to equal them with emotions of the other side...

On a last note, creativity and depression I feel are heavily linked. For depression causes so many thoughts to cross you, and creativity is the only real way of expressing those thoughts. Without creativity, we would all probably kill ourselves.
Sun 14/10/01 at 18:45
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As for that pain-creativity link, i think that trauma brings a desire to prevent pain, so traumatised humans write on books/paint/discuss their suffering, in a hope to spare it from others. Is creativity simply a means of preventing pain?

And if you truly belive that pain, fear and hate can even dare to try to compare with the pure ambrosia* love, excitment and joy then I feel very sorry for you.


*(and for any dumbasses reading, that isnt the bloody custard, its a food eaten by the greek gods.)
Sun 14/10/01 at 18:39
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As intellegence grows so does depression, but this is only because smart people can see through annoying 'pop' music, politicians lies and see the problems of the world. Idiots run the world. (eg George bush. So dumb he couldnt think of a new name for his son, so he called him george bush as well. How they both became president is a sign of how stupid americans are) Most people are smart enough to see problems, but not smart enough to fix them. that is the human dilemma.
Sun 14/10/01 at 18:35
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Is depression a gift?

I don't think so.

But I wouldn't really know. I find that I can only be depressed for about half an hour, then I get bored of being miserable, so I just find myself laughing at my own pathetic-ness.

As for other people, obviously I can't say.

But what you say about trauma creating emotions, and creativity expressing emotions, well, that seems to make sense. But I still wouldn't call that a gift. How many people would want to go through something amazingly traumtic, just hoping something good will come out the other end?

Or are they so wrapped up in the trauma, they're not thinking about anything else? Again, that is a question I cannot answer, as I have never been in that situation.
Sun 14/10/01 at 18:25
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I understand how utterly moronic this may seem at first glance, but it's something I've been thinking about recently.

Why are so many intelligent and gifted people so unhappy with life and the way they live? What on earth makes them so utterly deprived of their ability to enjoy themselves?

Or then, is depression something that comes with intelligence... or does it actually cause intelligence? Making us smarter and wiser, causing us to think more. Hundreds of artists, musicians, most talent in the world can be linked with a depressed childhood, and traumatic experiences. Can we link those to our gifts and talents, or is it only a compensation for something that we are born with?

I refuse to believe that a man is born an artist. Perhaps you have stronger muscles which have been genetically inherited... but we are not born with the ability to use a pen. We are not born with the ability to run, and we are not born with the ability to speak. We are basic humans, waiting for the template of the world to be set apon us.

So then, if our lives are not set, then would something like a traumatic experience make that much difference to our lives? Can it change us that much to give us skills and talents that we only ever dreamed of before?

I say yes. For trauma brings emotion, and emotion must be controlled. Once that is learned, then it can be filtered, and through practise of translating this emotion, creativity lives.

Assuming that this is correct... it does bring a huge discussion point, something that I can't decide, for confusion of humanity.

Is it right to traumatize a child, in the hope that the emotion caused by this will make the child stronger? Can something so utterly bad end up making something so perfectly good?

Surely there is another way that emotion can be carried? Surely depression isn't the only way to spark creativity...?

I'd certainly like to hope not... but depression and fear are very strong emotions, and it's hard to equal them with emotions of the other side...

On a last note, creativity and depression I feel are heavily linked. For depression causes so many thoughts to cross you, and creativity is the only real way of expressing those thoughts. Without creativity, we would all probably kill ourselves.

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