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I have been thinking about this for a long time, and after various heated debates with friends, i have come to a conclusion. Humans will always be better then robots. The reason being, that no matter how well programmed,
designed, or marketed, robots will never be truly sentient. Oh, they may one day seem sentient, and even the greatest biologists may not be able to tell the difference, but they will have 'bugs' something humans dont have.For example, take BOT's (basically robots with no body, used in games as opponents) When playing bots AND humans on perfect dark, I notice several key differences. No matter how good aim, speed or weapons human players always manage to trick the bots with carefully placed explosives, teamwork and tricks like getting behind a door and using a farsight to shoot through it as soon as the bots try to open it.
Bots also tend to walk into doors and get stuck. I often have to put them out of their misery, so they can regenerate and try again. The reason they walk into the wall, against all rationality, is because they are being told to by a faulty routine in their program. They have no free will to change that program. I know PD simulants and robots are quite different, but the fundamentals are the same. ROBOTS HAVE TO DO WHAT THEY ARE TOLD. they cannot 'break' programming. They cannot choose.
Can a bullet become a pacifist in mid air and stop? Can a wrench choose where it is used? No. Tools have no choice how, when and where they are used. People always do. Humans learn and adapt. Robots can only do this as long as their programs alow them to. They cannot improvise.
If the programmer forgot to insert the movement program, even Data would have been a cripple dragging himself along the floor like an idiot. Robots may be stronger and quicker, but they will never be smarter.
designed, or marketed, robots will never be truly sentient. Oh, they may one day seem sentient, and even the greatest biologists may not be able to tell the difference, but they will have 'bugs' something humans dont have.For example, take BOT's (basically robots with no body, used in games as opponents) When playing bots AND humans on perfect dark, I notice several key differences. No matter how good aim, speed or weapons human players always manage to trick the bots with carefully placed explosives, teamwork and tricks like getting behind a door and using a farsight to shoot through it as soon as the bots try to open it.
Bots also tend to walk into doors and get stuck. I often have to put them out of their misery, so they can regenerate and try again. The reason they walk into the wall, against all rationality, is because they are being told to by a faulty routine in their program. They have no free will to change that program. I know PD simulants and robots are quite different, but the fundamentals are the same. ROBOTS HAVE TO DO WHAT THEY ARE TOLD. they cannot 'break' programming. They cannot choose.
Can a bullet become a pacifist in mid air and stop? Can a wrench choose where it is used? No. Tools have no choice how, when and where they are used. People always do. Humans learn and adapt. Robots can only do this as long as their programs alow them to. They cannot improvise.
If the programmer forgot to insert the movement program, even Data would have been a cripple dragging himself along the floor like an idiot. Robots may be stronger and quicker, but they will never be smarter.
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Whatever.
Im not saying that sentient robots are possible.
Violent ones certainly are.
And horses wear blinkers.
You said i wore blinkers
so you said i was a horse (indirectly)
Violent ones certainly are.
And horses wear blinkers.
You said i wore blinkers
so you said i was a horse (indirectly)
Edwin25 wrote:
> well
A) im not mr Ed, so i am not a horse.
I didn't say you were a horse.
b) just because i dont beleive in
> robotic souls doesnt mean im narrow minded. Dont be so judgemental.
You've been judgemental.
c) We
> really shouldnt mess with life. Killer bees anyone?
Or how about Hal 9000?
> (alright hes not real but i think he embodies what could happen if we try to
> give robots our existence.) robots aren't responsible enough (then again, alot
> of humans arent responsible enough, but a good few are) to be trusted. I for one
> dont want to be killed by hordes of rampageing terminators because scientists
> thought a brain chip was a 'good idea'.
Is messing about with life worth the
> risk? What benefits have we gained?
No one should play God.
So you're at least starting to accept the fact that it is possible. That's a bit of a turn around, isn't it?
> well
A) im not mr Ed, so i am not a horse.
I didn't say you were a horse.
b) just because i dont beleive in
> robotic souls doesnt mean im narrow minded. Dont be so judgemental.
You've been judgemental.
c) We
> really shouldnt mess with life. Killer bees anyone?
Or how about Hal 9000?
> (alright hes not real but i think he embodies what could happen if we try to
> give robots our existence.) robots aren't responsible enough (then again, alot
> of humans arent responsible enough, but a good few are) to be trusted. I for one
> dont want to be killed by hordes of rampageing terminators because scientists
> thought a brain chip was a 'good idea'.
Is messing about with life worth the
> risk? What benefits have we gained?
No one should play God.
So you're at least starting to accept the fact that it is possible. That's a bit of a turn around, isn't it?
well
A) im not mr Ed, so i am not a horse.
b) just because i dont beleive in robotic souls doesnt mean im narrow minded. Dont be so judgemental.
c) We really shouldnt mess with life. Killer bees anyone?
Or how about Hal 9000? (alright hes not real but i think he embodies what could happen if we try to give robots our existence.) robots aren't responsible enough (then again, alot of humans arent responsible enough, but a good few are) to be trusted. I for one dont want to be killed by hordes of rampageing terminators because scientists thought a brain chip was a 'good idea'.
Is messing about with life worth the risk? What benefits have we gained?
No one should play God.
A) im not mr Ed, so i am not a horse.
b) just because i dont beleive in robotic souls doesnt mean im narrow minded. Dont be so judgemental.
c) We really shouldnt mess with life. Killer bees anyone?
Or how about Hal 9000? (alright hes not real but i think he embodies what could happen if we try to give robots our existence.) robots aren't responsible enough (then again, alot of humans arent responsible enough, but a good few are) to be trusted. I for one dont want to be killed by hordes of rampageing terminators because scientists thought a brain chip was a 'good idea'.
Is messing about with life worth the risk? What benefits have we gained?
No one should play God.
Well, all I can say is I'm glad not everyone has such a blinkered view as yourself, otherwise we'd still be living in caves going "Ooog" and eating raw food.
And that's all I have to say on the matter...
And that's all I have to say on the matter...
( i am against genetic expermentation, as it could have very bad side effects)
Damn spelling errors!
I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE! AHHHHHHHHHHH!
Damn spelling errors!
I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE! AHHHHHHHHHHH!
( i am against genetic expermentation, as it caould have very bad side effects)
Damn spelling errors!
Damn spelling errors!
No, i said it is impossible. Robots cant have souls, because we cant make them. They aren't manufactured in dover or something! they are earned. I know alot of people who are still waiting for theirs (osma bin laden for example)
Maybe, one day, a robot may think. But they will never feel. They are totally different. What they have will be far beyound aor greatest or darkest Dreams. Personally i dont think with should mess around with existence ( i am again genetic expermentation, as it caould have very bad side effects)
Remember HAL 9000. And be careful what you wish for.
Maybe, one day, a robot may think. But they will never feel. They are totally different. What they have will be far beyound aor greatest or darkest Dreams. Personally i dont think with should mess around with existence ( i am again genetic expermentation, as it caould have very bad side effects)
Remember HAL 9000. And be careful what you wish for.
So, basically, you don't know how to do it.
That's why it's impossible, eh?
Damn, it's a bit of luck the world isn't run by your rules.
"Ooog. Do yo ufink da food will taste better when hot?"
"No, I don't know how to make it hot."
"Ok, we'll eat it cold then."
See?
70 years ago, people thought it would be impossible to get to the moon. Look what happened.
Don't be so quick to say something isn't possible just because you don't know how it's done.
I don't know why it takes girls so long to get ready to go out, but it bloody well takes ages!
See?
That's why it's impossible, eh?
Damn, it's a bit of luck the world isn't run by your rules.
"Ooog. Do yo ufink da food will taste better when hot?"
"No, I don't know how to make it hot."
"Ok, we'll eat it cold then."
See?
70 years ago, people thought it would be impossible to get to the moon. Look what happened.
Don't be so quick to say something isn't possible just because you don't know how it's done.
I don't know why it takes girls so long to get ready to go out, but it bloody well takes ages!
See?
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