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I need to consider my words and feelings as I write this, as my usual style of ranting would lead to strong language and possibly offend some people.
I am absolutely opposed to the ìwarî being waged against Terrorism by ìThe Coalitionî (basically USA & UK).
This can end up being a long and involved post, so Iíll try to keep it short.
The USA is outraged at the actions of the terrorists on Sept 11th, and rightly so. It was an horrific attack that cost the lives of thousands of innocent people that had no involvement with the USAís foreign policy in the Middle East. These were people minding their business that died.
The same is true of the people in Afghanistan in the cities that are being carpet-bombed right now in the name of ìEnduring Freedomî.
The Taliban does not live in those cities, they reside in the mountains and hills that outlay these towns.
Same as Bin Laden, he is well-hidden in the desert.
So why bomb towns?
ìBecause we are fighting back against the evil of terrorismî says Bush, sounding like a bad actor in a B-movie.
I agree that terrorism is bad, in every form.
Does this mean then, that the USA will stop funding and supporting the IRA through NORAID? Does this mean that the IRA are no longer allowed to publicly raise funds in the USA?
I would hope so if the USA are dedicated to ìfighting the forces of evilî.
The same goes with the UK ñ do we stop selling arms to East Timor? And Jakarta?
These are brutal and oppressive regimes that operate snatch squads and murder dissenters, in acts of terrorism?
What about the French Secret Service?
They bombed a ship belonging to Greenpeace, ìThe Rainbow Warriorî back in 1985. The agents were arrested and held by New Zealand police, and were to be put on trial for ìterrorist activitiesî, but under threat of sanctions by the USA, UK and France, the NZ government had to release these operatives.
Or the USA using CIA operatives in El Salvador to train and operate squads that murdered the opposition to the ruling government, installed and assisted by the USA?
It would appear that terrorism is a bad thing only when committed against ourselves. When we do it, itís right and correct. Nobody has asked what business the USA has in the Middle East, it takes it upon itself to act as a world-police, barging into areas it is not welcomed and using itís might to tell other countries how they should and shouldnít operate.
I am not saying the USA ìdeservedî the attack on Sept 11th, nobody does.
I am saying that America, in many areas, is just as guilty as people like Bin Laden for acting in ways considered ìterroristî.
Did you know that the USA and UK are being investigated in the European Court of Civil Rights and The Hague for War Crimes? (relating to the Bosnian situation).
Afghanistan is a country already on itís knees from years of abuse by Russia, The USA and The French. They have little to no communication abilities and are facing the worst drought since Ethiopia and the situation that prompted Live Aid.
The Taliban is the ruling party, but they came to power through force and are considered by many Afghans to be thugs and murderers. Any aid that reaches Afghanistan is siphoned by the Taliban, 95% of cars are owned by them, most to all property belongs to them.
It has been highlighted that many Afghans would not even know who Bin Laden is, they are concerned with survival and food/water.
Bin Laden is a (formerly trained by the CIA) terrorist.
What people seem to forget is that he has done nothing to the USA until the broadcast yesterday.
(The USA has yet to provide any evidence he is behind the plane attacks on the WTC).
After the Oklahoma bombing, the USA launched several air-strikes against Bin Ladenís camps in retaliation for ìthe evil of terrorismî.
Except Timothy McVeigh stood up and admitted he did it, not a Middle Eastern man at all but an American.
Bin Laden then vented his fury by declaring a Jihad against the States, only after being bombed for things he denied any involvement in (sounding familiar to anyone?).
The Taliban offered, as did Afghanistan, to hand over Bin Laden once the USA had shown them the evidence it had to link him to the crimes.
The USA refused to do so, declaring ìthat is not good enough anymoreî.
And the speak of the ìCoalitionî, of all the world support Bush Jr has, it is only the USA and UK involved in the ìwarî.
To quote Bill Hicks, ìA war is when two armies are fighting, so you can see, isnít really a warÖmore of a distraction.î
America gets attacked by terrorists (in retaliation for decades of dubious foreign policy and covert military action against nations that do not agree with the USA), and 3 weeks later the USA and UK are ìat warî.
Except we are bombing towns and cities, carpet bombing areas with high civilian populations and what we are told are ìMilitary targetsî.
How is bombing towns in the dead of night any different to flying two planes into buildings?
The main difference, it would appear, is that this time weíre the ones dancing and celebrating in the streets, waving our flags and cheering.
God Bless Freedom, God Bless America and God Bless Untold Civilian Casualties on both sides, caught up in political penis-measuring.
The people in the WTC didnít ask to be killed, and had nothing to do with USA foreign policy.
The Afghans killed in the bombings, and those to be killed in further action, didnít ask to be killed, had nothing to do with the terrorist attack on Sept 11th.
We all sat and watched in horror as the planes hit the WTC, how many of us sat and watched in horror last night as bombs smacked into towns in Afghanistan?
During the Gulf War, how many of us sat and watched the bomb-mounted cameras hitting targets?
To me, the only difference between us and the people that committed the acts on Sept 11th is that we get to watch it on TV as we eat dinner and get a tear in our eye because weíre ìfighting the evil of terrorismî.
I am not condoning the awful, terrible attacks on Sept 11th in which thousands of civilians died because of a belief that America was evil.
But nor can I condone the awful, terrible attacks on Oct 5th (to ?) in which thousands of civilians will die because of a belief that Afghanistan is evil.
The billions awarded to Bush for this campaign could easily be used instead, to provide basic human necessities like food, water, housing and hygiene for the entire world.
That would do more to remove the threat of terrorism, by giving every single person the basic human comforts that would prevent people like Bin Laden saying ìYou see how badly the West treat you?î.
But that will never happen, because war is good business and the people that decide to go to war never get their hands dirty, they, like we, sit and watch the bombs on the news after another day at work.
I am absolutely opposed to the ìwarî being waged against Terrorism by ìThe Coalitionî (basically USA & UK).
This can end up being a long and involved post, so Iíll try to keep it short.
The USA is outraged at the actions of the terrorists on Sept 11th, and rightly so. It was an horrific attack that cost the lives of thousands of innocent people that had no involvement with the USAís foreign policy in the Middle East. These were people minding their business that died.
The same is true of the people in Afghanistan in the cities that are being carpet-bombed right now in the name of ìEnduring Freedomî.
The Taliban does not live in those cities, they reside in the mountains and hills that outlay these towns.
Same as Bin Laden, he is well-hidden in the desert.
So why bomb towns?
ìBecause we are fighting back against the evil of terrorismî says Bush, sounding like a bad actor in a B-movie.
I agree that terrorism is bad, in every form.
Does this mean then, that the USA will stop funding and supporting the IRA through NORAID? Does this mean that the IRA are no longer allowed to publicly raise funds in the USA?
I would hope so if the USA are dedicated to ìfighting the forces of evilî.
The same goes with the UK ñ do we stop selling arms to East Timor? And Jakarta?
These are brutal and oppressive regimes that operate snatch squads and murder dissenters, in acts of terrorism?
What about the French Secret Service?
They bombed a ship belonging to Greenpeace, ìThe Rainbow Warriorî back in 1985. The agents were arrested and held by New Zealand police, and were to be put on trial for ìterrorist activitiesî, but under threat of sanctions by the USA, UK and France, the NZ government had to release these operatives.
Or the USA using CIA operatives in El Salvador to train and operate squads that murdered the opposition to the ruling government, installed and assisted by the USA?
It would appear that terrorism is a bad thing only when committed against ourselves. When we do it, itís right and correct. Nobody has asked what business the USA has in the Middle East, it takes it upon itself to act as a world-police, barging into areas it is not welcomed and using itís might to tell other countries how they should and shouldnít operate.
I am not saying the USA ìdeservedî the attack on Sept 11th, nobody does.
I am saying that America, in many areas, is just as guilty as people like Bin Laden for acting in ways considered ìterroristî.
Did you know that the USA and UK are being investigated in the European Court of Civil Rights and The Hague for War Crimes? (relating to the Bosnian situation).
Afghanistan is a country already on itís knees from years of abuse by Russia, The USA and The French. They have little to no communication abilities and are facing the worst drought since Ethiopia and the situation that prompted Live Aid.
The Taliban is the ruling party, but they came to power through force and are considered by many Afghans to be thugs and murderers. Any aid that reaches Afghanistan is siphoned by the Taliban, 95% of cars are owned by them, most to all property belongs to them.
It has been highlighted that many Afghans would not even know who Bin Laden is, they are concerned with survival and food/water.
Bin Laden is a (formerly trained by the CIA) terrorist.
What people seem to forget is that he has done nothing to the USA until the broadcast yesterday.
(The USA has yet to provide any evidence he is behind the plane attacks on the WTC).
After the Oklahoma bombing, the USA launched several air-strikes against Bin Ladenís camps in retaliation for ìthe evil of terrorismî.
Except Timothy McVeigh stood up and admitted he did it, not a Middle Eastern man at all but an American.
Bin Laden then vented his fury by declaring a Jihad against the States, only after being bombed for things he denied any involvement in (sounding familiar to anyone?).
The Taliban offered, as did Afghanistan, to hand over Bin Laden once the USA had shown them the evidence it had to link him to the crimes.
The USA refused to do so, declaring ìthat is not good enough anymoreî.
And the speak of the ìCoalitionî, of all the world support Bush Jr has, it is only the USA and UK involved in the ìwarî.
To quote Bill Hicks, ìA war is when two armies are fighting, so you can see, isnít really a warÖmore of a distraction.î
America gets attacked by terrorists (in retaliation for decades of dubious foreign policy and covert military action against nations that do not agree with the USA), and 3 weeks later the USA and UK are ìat warî.
Except we are bombing towns and cities, carpet bombing areas with high civilian populations and what we are told are ìMilitary targetsî.
How is bombing towns in the dead of night any different to flying two planes into buildings?
The main difference, it would appear, is that this time weíre the ones dancing and celebrating in the streets, waving our flags and cheering.
God Bless Freedom, God Bless America and God Bless Untold Civilian Casualties on both sides, caught up in political penis-measuring.
The people in the WTC didnít ask to be killed, and had nothing to do with USA foreign policy.
The Afghans killed in the bombings, and those to be killed in further action, didnít ask to be killed, had nothing to do with the terrorist attack on Sept 11th.
We all sat and watched in horror as the planes hit the WTC, how many of us sat and watched in horror last night as bombs smacked into towns in Afghanistan?
During the Gulf War, how many of us sat and watched the bomb-mounted cameras hitting targets?
To me, the only difference between us and the people that committed the acts on Sept 11th is that we get to watch it on TV as we eat dinner and get a tear in our eye because weíre ìfighting the evil of terrorismî.
I am not condoning the awful, terrible attacks on Sept 11th in which thousands of civilians died because of a belief that America was evil.
But nor can I condone the awful, terrible attacks on Oct 5th (to ?) in which thousands of civilians will die because of a belief that Afghanistan is evil.
The billions awarded to Bush for this campaign could easily be used instead, to provide basic human necessities like food, water, housing and hygiene for the entire world.
That would do more to remove the threat of terrorism, by giving every single person the basic human comforts that would prevent people like Bin Laden saying ìYou see how badly the West treat you?î.
But that will never happen, because war is good business and the people that decide to go to war never get their hands dirty, they, like we, sit and watch the bombs on the news after another day at work.
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I did notice what you wrote YH and I agree with a lot of your points.
I do agree in principle with the USA needing to retaliate.
But you don't do that by bombing towns.
That strategy is notoriously unreliable, a success rate about about 3% actually hit the targets.
Like Meka said, Bush spoke of a long drawn out battle etc etc, indicating troops at ground level, being able to see who they are in front of.
Not dropping bombs from miles away like this is Command and Conquer.
This is not a fight against terrorism, this is America seeking revenge.
Don't dress it up in some bull about a noble battle against Terrorism.
The USA has one of the worst histories for supporting countries with terrorist regimes, funding them etc. (IRA being the prime example)
This is not a war against terrorism, this is America hitting back and they don't give a monkey's about who they hit, hence the high-altitude bombings and "collateral damage".
What a disgusting term that is, "Collateral Damage".
Why not use the truth? "Dead civilians".
This bombing campaign is no different to flying planes into buildings.
Bin Laden (if it is him) wanted to hit back after what he saw as decades of oppression and brutality so he took out loads of innocent people.
America wants to hit back for what happened.
Revenge, pure and simple.
Which I understand, but not by bombing the capital of Afghanistan whilst saying "We're sending in food as well".
Go in, find those responsible and do what the hell you like to them, just quiet lobbing ordenance into towns, because that achieves nothing.
I do agree in principle with the USA needing to retaliate.
But you don't do that by bombing towns.
That strategy is notoriously unreliable, a success rate about about 3% actually hit the targets.
Like Meka said, Bush spoke of a long drawn out battle etc etc, indicating troops at ground level, being able to see who they are in front of.
Not dropping bombs from miles away like this is Command and Conquer.
This is not a fight against terrorism, this is America seeking revenge.
Don't dress it up in some bull about a noble battle against Terrorism.
The USA has one of the worst histories for supporting countries with terrorist regimes, funding them etc. (IRA being the prime example)
This is not a war against terrorism, this is America hitting back and they don't give a monkey's about who they hit, hence the high-altitude bombings and "collateral damage".
What a disgusting term that is, "Collateral Damage".
Why not use the truth? "Dead civilians".
This bombing campaign is no different to flying planes into buildings.
Bin Laden (if it is him) wanted to hit back after what he saw as decades of oppression and brutality so he took out loads of innocent people.
America wants to hit back for what happened.
Revenge, pure and simple.
Which I understand, but not by bombing the capital of Afghanistan whilst saying "We're sending in food as well".
Go in, find those responsible and do what the hell you like to them, just quiet lobbing ordenance into towns, because that achieves nothing.
Meka_Dragon wrote:
> I think this is absolutely ridiculous.
I'm sure I said this yesterday, but,
> what was all of that talk about a careful, well drawn out battle plan, to remove
> the main terrorists, that much of the world would not even be aware of. What was
> all of the talk about it being a long, drawn-out process?
How are these
> bombings doing that?
Why didn't they just say "It's quite possible that
> some guy from this country was responsible for the attacks on the USA, so we're
> going to bomb the country, take out air bases, terrorist training camps and
> stuff."
Why claim it would take time, and not be this type of action?
I totally agree. What sort of well drawn out plan involves this? It only drags other countries further into the array.
Why can't they focus on the one gulity one and spare the thousands of civilians whom think that America didn't deserve to be bombed in such a way?
> I think this is absolutely ridiculous.
I'm sure I said this yesterday, but,
> what was all of that talk about a careful, well drawn out battle plan, to remove
> the main terrorists, that much of the world would not even be aware of. What was
> all of the talk about it being a long, drawn-out process?
How are these
> bombings doing that?
Why didn't they just say "It's quite possible that
> some guy from this country was responsible for the attacks on the USA, so we're
> going to bomb the country, take out air bases, terrorist training camps and
> stuff."
Why claim it would take time, and not be this type of action?
I totally agree. What sort of well drawn out plan involves this? It only drags other countries further into the array.
Why can't they focus on the one gulity one and spare the thousands of civilians whom think that America didn't deserve to be bombed in such a way?
Your Honour wrote:
> I have to say, I agree with Wookiee about the journalist.
If I was a journalist, and they asked me to go to Afghanistan, at a time like this, I'd tell them to naff off. Tell them that some minor celebrity had gotten a tattoo of a bum on her bum, and that it would interest the public much more to get an exclusive first look at that.
> I have to say, I agree with Wookiee about the journalist.
If I was a journalist, and they asked me to go to Afghanistan, at a time like this, I'd tell them to naff off. Tell them that some minor celebrity had gotten a tattoo of a bum on her bum, and that it would interest the public much more to get an exclusive first look at that.
I think this is absolutely ridiculous.
I'm sure I said this yesterday, but, what was all of that talk about a careful, well drawn out battle plan, to remove the main terrorists, that much of the world would not even be aware of. What was all of the talk about it being a long, drawn-out process?
How are these bombings doing that?
Why didn't they just say "It's quite possible that some guy from this country was responsible for the attacks on the USA, so we're going to bomb the country, take out air bases, terrorist training camps and stuff."
Why claim it would take time, and not be this type of action?
I'm sure I said this yesterday, but, what was all of that talk about a careful, well drawn out battle plan, to remove the main terrorists, that much of the world would not even be aware of. What was all of the talk about it being a long, drawn-out process?
How are these bombings doing that?
Why didn't they just say "It's quite possible that some guy from this country was responsible for the attacks on the USA, so we're going to bomb the country, take out air bases, terrorist training camps and stuff."
Why claim it would take time, and not be this type of action?
I have to say, I agree with Wookiee about the journalist.
I also I feel I made a valid contribution to this topic a few posts down, but no one seems to have noticed it...
I also I feel I made a valid contribution to this topic a few posts down, but no one seems to have noticed it...
Wookiee stands before the Union Jack and wipes a patriotic tear from his eye
"We must get those dirty Arabs at any cost. Accidents happen, collateral damage is acceptable for the greater good and damn it, democracy must prevail"
Looks like it's just you and me in this thread now Wooks, what's say we strip to the waist and fight?
Me covered in a Greenpeace/Tree Hugging Hippy outfit and you wearing combats and smeared in cammo paint?
"We must get those dirty Arabs at any cost. Accidents happen, collateral damage is acceptable for the greater good and damn it, democracy must prevail"
Looks like it's just you and me in this thread now Wooks, what's say we strip to the waist and fight?
Me covered in a Greenpeace/Tree Hugging Hippy outfit and you wearing combats and smeared in cammo paint?
War is hell... accidents happen. Like when the US killed more of our troops in the Gulf than the Iraqi's did.
The UN shouldn't still be in there, in my humble opinion. Not that that excuses the c***-up, but they'd still be alive if they'd pulled out rather than sitting and pondering.
One thing that really annoyed me was the mother of the captured journalist, who blasted the alliance for not waiting until her daughter had been found before they started attacking.
Sorry, luvvy, but if your idiot daughter hadn't gone into Afghanistan without her passport, she wouldn't have been captured and held. Sure, we're going to hold off on a major operation to allow for your little girls stupidity.
The UN shouldn't still be in there, in my humble opinion. Not that that excuses the c***-up, but they'd still be alive if they'd pulled out rather than sitting and pondering.
One thing that really annoyed me was the mother of the captured journalist, who blasted the alliance for not waiting until her daughter had been found before they started attacking.
Sorry, luvvy, but if your idiot daughter hadn't gone into Afghanistan without her passport, she wouldn't have been captured and held. Sure, we're going to hold off on a major operation to allow for your little girls stupidity.
We are now bombing Kabul.
Afghanistan's largest city, the capital basically.
But it's ok, because the bombs dropped from 9 B1s can differentiate between Terrorists and people scared to move because of curfews and Taliban can't they?
Oh, and the USA admit that they "Might have hit" a UN minesweeping outpost.
Good job Bin Laden is evil, otherwise the death of civilians would be a moral outrage.
Afghanistan's largest city, the capital basically.
But it's ok, because the bombs dropped from 9 B1s can differentiate between Terrorists and people scared to move because of curfews and Taliban can't they?
Oh, and the USA admit that they "Might have hit" a UN minesweeping outpost.
Good job Bin Laden is evil, otherwise the death of civilians would be a moral outrage.
Ok, I need to try and explain my last post about "Kill us all and let something else have a chance".
Through circumstances, incidents and paths my life has taken, I generally have a very negative view of this planet and the human race as a whole.
I see us as a bunch of self-obsessed me-monkeys, only interested in getting what we can and not caring who we climb over to get it.
I see we have been warring since we swung through tress and it continues to this day.
People cannot just live and let live, to mind their own business and let people get on with their life.
Be it smoking, what movies I watch, what music I listen to, there is always someone out there that has a comment on my life and how I should live it.
And I get sick to death of it.
If people just worried about themselves instead of trying to make everyone else see things their way, we could maybe exist together.
But no, it's always "Your religion is different to mine/you talk funny/you are smaller than me", any number of reasons we find to attack, murder and hate each other.
And I get overwhelmed by it all.
It's not anger, but a sense of futility and despair.
Why the hell did someone fly a plane into buildings?
Why the hell did a country stick it's face into another country's doings and anger them enough to want to do that?
Why did Hitler decide to exterminate 6 million Jews?
It just seems that our function, as a race, is to hate, maim and kill each other until one nation stands alone - and then they'll attack each other.
I do get depressed about it all.
It's a continual struggle to be seen as the "Forum Joker", because I need that.
If I sat and let all my thoughts run through my head at once, I couldn't take it.
That's why I rant about politics, that's why I protest against the things I see as unjust.
That's why I appear to be so wordy.
Because if I didn't, if I just sat back and let it all wash over me? I would't last a week.
I have to stand up and shout, not to try and make other people change their mind, but to try and get my voice heard amongst the radical shouting that goes on.
There is an old saying of "Don't argue louder, argue better".
But that doesn't work most of the time.
You get drowned out by cries of "Bomb them! Eminem made them do it! Natural Born Killers made those kids shoot those people!".
Nobody listens to someone desperately trying to quietly say "please listen to me, please let me speak".
I just look around and see this entire planet doing it's best to fall to the floor.
But there are moments when I take hope.
That's why I am so passionate about music and movies.
Because, to me, that is an example of people creating something instead of destroying.
People writing poetry, people creating songs - putting music to their soul and emotions.
Rare examples of a human being striving to be more than "Fight/Eat/Mate/Kill".
But, especially with music,I see that ideal hijacked for money.
That's why I hate pop-music (as we know it).
I see people breaking their souls to create music, to express themselves creatively and someone else does it for money.
That sums up all that is wrong with this world to me.
Those that do something because they have to, they get ignored.
But someone that does it for money has a result.
It makes me angry/despair/upset to see a movie designed from love or a song that makes you feel something in your heart get passed over for another that exists only to make someone rich.
I may take it all too seriously, but that's who I am.
I look around and see poets and musicians and peace-loving people get ignored whilst the money-hungry, power-hungry demons get their way all the time.
And that makes me sad.
Through circumstances, incidents and paths my life has taken, I generally have a very negative view of this planet and the human race as a whole.
I see us as a bunch of self-obsessed me-monkeys, only interested in getting what we can and not caring who we climb over to get it.
I see we have been warring since we swung through tress and it continues to this day.
People cannot just live and let live, to mind their own business and let people get on with their life.
Be it smoking, what movies I watch, what music I listen to, there is always someone out there that has a comment on my life and how I should live it.
And I get sick to death of it.
If people just worried about themselves instead of trying to make everyone else see things their way, we could maybe exist together.
But no, it's always "Your religion is different to mine/you talk funny/you are smaller than me", any number of reasons we find to attack, murder and hate each other.
And I get overwhelmed by it all.
It's not anger, but a sense of futility and despair.
Why the hell did someone fly a plane into buildings?
Why the hell did a country stick it's face into another country's doings and anger them enough to want to do that?
Why did Hitler decide to exterminate 6 million Jews?
It just seems that our function, as a race, is to hate, maim and kill each other until one nation stands alone - and then they'll attack each other.
I do get depressed about it all.
It's a continual struggle to be seen as the "Forum Joker", because I need that.
If I sat and let all my thoughts run through my head at once, I couldn't take it.
That's why I rant about politics, that's why I protest against the things I see as unjust.
That's why I appear to be so wordy.
Because if I didn't, if I just sat back and let it all wash over me? I would't last a week.
I have to stand up and shout, not to try and make other people change their mind, but to try and get my voice heard amongst the radical shouting that goes on.
There is an old saying of "Don't argue louder, argue better".
But that doesn't work most of the time.
You get drowned out by cries of "Bomb them! Eminem made them do it! Natural Born Killers made those kids shoot those people!".
Nobody listens to someone desperately trying to quietly say "please listen to me, please let me speak".
I just look around and see this entire planet doing it's best to fall to the floor.
But there are moments when I take hope.
That's why I am so passionate about music and movies.
Because, to me, that is an example of people creating something instead of destroying.
People writing poetry, people creating songs - putting music to their soul and emotions.
Rare examples of a human being striving to be more than "Fight/Eat/Mate/Kill".
But, especially with music,I see that ideal hijacked for money.
That's why I hate pop-music (as we know it).
I see people breaking their souls to create music, to express themselves creatively and someone else does it for money.
That sums up all that is wrong with this world to me.
Those that do something because they have to, they get ignored.
But someone that does it for money has a result.
It makes me angry/despair/upset to see a movie designed from love or a song that makes you feel something in your heart get passed over for another that exists only to make someone rich.
I may take it all too seriously, but that's who I am.
I look around and see poets and musicians and peace-loving people get ignored whilst the money-hungry, power-hungry demons get their way all the time.
And that makes me sad.
I have not read any replies to this, just the original post and I do not agree with some of your points goaty. I will not argue but the USA and the UK will try to keep civilian casualties to a minimum. They are also air dropping tonnes of food and supplies in in an attempt to help the normal Afghan people.
The strikes have to be done. In a cloud of fury you can forget that Bin Ladin DOES have chemical and biological weapons at his disposal. He also has thousands of people willing to give their lives to his somewhat twisted cause. Somebody flew those aeroplanes into the towers and it may not be Bin Ladin but the USA had to act. In a world where there are enough nuclear warheads to completely destroy everyone no country can afford to look weak least the USA. It had to happen, it will continue to happen, it we always happen.
Wars can't be dismissed as wrong, there is always a cause in the eyes of those controlling it. Its not nice and its not good but there it is. The USA had no choice, to not retailaite would be seen as weak and condoning terrorist attacks. I doubt you would have the same view on this war if nothing was done and by Christmas someone attacks canary wharf killing thousands in our own country.
Their are some sick people out there in the world and atroscities happen every day. It may be overlooked that normal afghan people are dying but do we hear about every rape, murder and kidnapping?
What's done is done and I suspect that there is evidence to suggest that Bin Ladin's terror reign has a lot to do with the attacks on sept 11th. But does it matter that much if there wasn't. If you had a son and an evil looking man had a metal bat above his head would you not punch him until he had first killed your child?
The strikes have to be done. In a cloud of fury you can forget that Bin Ladin DOES have chemical and biological weapons at his disposal. He also has thousands of people willing to give their lives to his somewhat twisted cause. Somebody flew those aeroplanes into the towers and it may not be Bin Ladin but the USA had to act. In a world where there are enough nuclear warheads to completely destroy everyone no country can afford to look weak least the USA. It had to happen, it will continue to happen, it we always happen.
Wars can't be dismissed as wrong, there is always a cause in the eyes of those controlling it. Its not nice and its not good but there it is. The USA had no choice, to not retailaite would be seen as weak and condoning terrorist attacks. I doubt you would have the same view on this war if nothing was done and by Christmas someone attacks canary wharf killing thousands in our own country.
Their are some sick people out there in the world and atroscities happen every day. It may be overlooked that normal afghan people are dying but do we hear about every rape, murder and kidnapping?
What's done is done and I suspect that there is evidence to suggest that Bin Ladin's terror reign has a lot to do with the attacks on sept 11th. But does it matter that much if there wasn't. If you had a son and an evil looking man had a metal bat above his head would you not punch him until he had first killed your child?
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