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Sun 07/10/01 at 10:54
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Could it not be possible that a mad person (who sees things and senses differently to us) is actually sensing the truth? Maybe this small minority of people who we say have this problem are actually sensing what is really there which has possibly been taken away from our own senses? He visually doesn't see the pound coin on the table and then can't feel the pound coin when I place it in his hand, when for me it is so clearly there in my sight. When he says 'look, quick' and points towards the window as if to show me something, and I do not visually see anything he points out...surely if he can say that he saw something who is anyone to prove that he is lying? or that he is wrong?

Therefore, could it not be true that no God exists, and that the ultimate being is actually a Demon, whose purpose was to place false senses on every human. What we see, touch, smell, hear and taste is actually no more than what he wants us to. Could that not be possible? And yet these people who we label mad could actually be in the tiny minority of those who actually see what is correct and true?

Yes. we have a mind, but is that the extent of where 'we' go, this body I am in, while I type this on my computer that sits in front of my eyes, with my above statements could it not be that I am merely following what my senses are telling me and when I look down at the keyboard where my hands are typing these very letters, I can feel my fingers pressing against the keys, everything I am doing is based around my senses. Are they lying?

It is very hard for me to prove this is true, let alone argue that I am not in this body that you can so easily see when standing infront of me. Those are my thoughts, and if you will, that is what I believe in; that we exist as a mind, that we can think and continue to follow our senses and reasonings, all minds are different, in nearly every way, but one thing which will continue to stay the same in the majority of minds are the senses which are controlling us. Always.

Belief is the acceptance of something as true, or thinking that something could be true. You can either believe in something or believe that something.

Regarding believe in, we can believe in the existence, truth, or value of something, or believe in something that we think ought to be.

We also have believing that. This kind of belief is when you can be thinking that x, wishing that x, and feeling that x.

Believing is accepting, just like we accept who we are and what we are doing, we accept what are senses are telling us and we accept this because we see no other way?
Sun 07/10/01 at 11:37
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"everyone says it"
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Turbonutter wrote:
> Yeah, that is a very interesting possibility. The worst part os that you can't
> prove or disprove any of it. We will never know because is the was another
> power, it would ultimately always be more powerful than us.

Still, it's very
> scary. How do we know we're not living in a Matrix world? Do I see the world
> differently to everyone else? Is green really green, for another person is it
> red or some other colour I can't comprehend. So many questions, no answers.

I can give answers... but only based on my theory.

Later I will try... but for now I have to continue to use my controlled senses.
Sun 07/10/01 at 11:33
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Yeah, that is a very interesting possibility. The worst part os that you can't prove or disprove any of it. We will never know because is the was another power, it would ultimately always be more powerful than us.

Still, it's very scary. How do we know we're not living in a Matrix world? Do I see the world differently to everyone else? Is green really green, for another person is it red or some other colour I can't comprehend. So many questions, no answers.
Sun 07/10/01 at 10:54
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"everyone says it"
Posts: 14,738
Could it not be possible that a mad person (who sees things and senses differently to us) is actually sensing the truth? Maybe this small minority of people who we say have this problem are actually sensing what is really there which has possibly been taken away from our own senses? He visually doesn't see the pound coin on the table and then can't feel the pound coin when I place it in his hand, when for me it is so clearly there in my sight. When he says 'look, quick' and points towards the window as if to show me something, and I do not visually see anything he points out...surely if he can say that he saw something who is anyone to prove that he is lying? or that he is wrong?

Therefore, could it not be true that no God exists, and that the ultimate being is actually a Demon, whose purpose was to place false senses on every human. What we see, touch, smell, hear and taste is actually no more than what he wants us to. Could that not be possible? And yet these people who we label mad could actually be in the tiny minority of those who actually see what is correct and true?

Yes. we have a mind, but is that the extent of where 'we' go, this body I am in, while I type this on my computer that sits in front of my eyes, with my above statements could it not be that I am merely following what my senses are telling me and when I look down at the keyboard where my hands are typing these very letters, I can feel my fingers pressing against the keys, everything I am doing is based around my senses. Are they lying?

It is very hard for me to prove this is true, let alone argue that I am not in this body that you can so easily see when standing infront of me. Those are my thoughts, and if you will, that is what I believe in; that we exist as a mind, that we can think and continue to follow our senses and reasonings, all minds are different, in nearly every way, but one thing which will continue to stay the same in the majority of minds are the senses which are controlling us. Always.

Belief is the acceptance of something as true, or thinking that something could be true. You can either believe in something or believe that something.

Regarding believe in, we can believe in the existence, truth, or value of something, or believe in something that we think ought to be.

We also have believing that. This kind of belief is when you can be thinking that x, wishing that x, and feeling that x.

Believing is accepting, just like we accept who we are and what we are doing, we accept what are senses are telling us and we accept this because we see no other way?

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