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What’s SFA? Oh no Dringo tell me you haven’t started another organization after the last disaster! Well no I won’t be telling you that as I am talking about Starfox Adventures: Dinosaur Planet, scheduled for an early Gamecube release in this country next year.
A little background to the game:
Dinosaur Planet was first announced by Rare as a late N64 release but was canned and was making its move to the Gamecube. Nintendo’s mastermind Shigsy asked the Rare team in charge (makers of the excellent Jet Force Gemini no less) to change the characters so Rob the robot, Fox McCloud, Slippy Toad and Peppy Hare featured in it. This was done and so now Dinosaur Planet will grab the eye of those Lylat Wars fans.
What’s the argument?
Starfox adventures (or SFA as I shall now call it) is a sequel to Lylat Wars, right? Well Bonus would be saying that quite a lot but many disagree. You see SFA has nothing to do with the Arwing’s in fact it’s an RPG style adventure game with Fox as the main character. So it isn’t a sequel! Well Bonus disagrees he says it continues the Starfox series, which he is right in saying! But is Super Smash Brothers Melee a sequel to Mario 64? It features many characters from the game so surly it is a sequel to Mario 64.
Of course it isn’t there is no similarity between the two other than the design of a few characters so what’s so different about SFA? It originally had nothing to do with Starfox; all that appears similar is the look of a few characters and names! It isn’t even the same genre! Indiana Jones and the infernal machine on the N64 borrowed many ideas from Zelda so is Indiana Jones a sequel to Zelda then?
Like Crash Team Racing on the Playstation we can’t call it a sequel to Crash Bandicoot… or can we? It is true to say SFA and Crash Team Racing alike only slapped these famous game characters face’s on to their games to help sell them yet are they a sequel. A more accurate description might be a continuation of a series but if this is true is Smash Brothers in the Starfox series? This throws many questions in the air to what defines a sequel?
Whatever it might be a sequel, a continuation of a series or whatever it still looks great and is still on my hit list. There might be an element of truth in what Bonus says SFA might well be a sequel (in the strictest sense of the word) to Lylat Wars but if this is so then Rare and Nintendo have helped show that a sequel can indeed be completely different to its predecessors making for a radically new gaming experience.
Here’s to the Future
Dringo
A little background to the game:
Dinosaur Planet was first announced by Rare as a late N64 release but was canned and was making its move to the Gamecube. Nintendo’s mastermind Shigsy asked the Rare team in charge (makers of the excellent Jet Force Gemini no less) to change the characters so Rob the robot, Fox McCloud, Slippy Toad and Peppy Hare featured in it. This was done and so now Dinosaur Planet will grab the eye of those Lylat Wars fans.
What’s the argument?
Starfox adventures (or SFA as I shall now call it) is a sequel to Lylat Wars, right? Well Bonus would be saying that quite a lot but many disagree. You see SFA has nothing to do with the Arwing’s in fact it’s an RPG style adventure game with Fox as the main character. So it isn’t a sequel! Well Bonus disagrees he says it continues the Starfox series, which he is right in saying! But is Super Smash Brothers Melee a sequel to Mario 64? It features many characters from the game so surly it is a sequel to Mario 64.
Of course it isn’t there is no similarity between the two other than the design of a few characters so what’s so different about SFA? It originally had nothing to do with Starfox; all that appears similar is the look of a few characters and names! It isn’t even the same genre! Indiana Jones and the infernal machine on the N64 borrowed many ideas from Zelda so is Indiana Jones a sequel to Zelda then?
Like Crash Team Racing on the Playstation we can’t call it a sequel to Crash Bandicoot… or can we? It is true to say SFA and Crash Team Racing alike only slapped these famous game characters face’s on to their games to help sell them yet are they a sequel. A more accurate description might be a continuation of a series but if this is true is Smash Brothers in the Starfox series? This throws many questions in the air to what defines a sequel?
Whatever it might be a sequel, a continuation of a series or whatever it still looks great and is still on my hit list. There might be an element of truth in what Bonus says SFA might well be a sequel (in the strictest sense of the word) to Lylat Wars but if this is so then Rare and Nintendo have helped show that a sequel can indeed be completely different to its predecessors making for a radically new gaming experience.
Here’s to the Future
Dringo
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Anyhoo, Dringo.. from a gameplay
> point of view, IJ: TIM borrows very little from Zelda and even what
> is borrowed is modified to the extent that it is barely
> recognisable!
Its similar to Shadowman on the N64 apparently and that was as good as Zelda.
SFA isn't a SEQUEL... it just uses the same
> guy..s!
Exactly
Mario Sunshine is a sequel because it is the same type of
> game. 1-player mario completing game! Not a completely one genre
> game followed by a predominantly alternative genre game!
God, who
> cares! it's a bloody game... picking the ins and outs of these games
> must spoil them fo so many people!
Its a more interesting point to argue about!
> point of view, IJ: TIM borrows very little from Zelda and even what
> is borrowed is modified to the extent that it is barely
> recognisable!
Its similar to Shadowman on the N64 apparently and that was as good as Zelda.
SFA isn't a SEQUEL... it just uses the same
> guy..s!
Exactly
Mario Sunshine is a sequel because it is the same type of
> game. 1-player mario completing game! Not a completely one genre
> game followed by a predominantly alternative genre game!
God, who
> cares! it's a bloody game... picking the ins and outs of these games
> must spoil them fo so many people!
Its a more interesting point to argue about!
How do I get through the filter? I don't... it's the lepricon in my pocket.. he zaps the computer.
Anyhoo, Dringo.. from a gameplay point of view, IJ: TIM borrows very little from Zelda and even what is borrowed is modified to the extent that it is barely recognisable!
SFA isn't a SEQUEL... it just uses the same guy..s!
Mario Sunshine is a sequel because it is the same type of game. 1-player mario completing game! Not a completely one genre game followed by a predominantly alternative genre game!
God, who cares! it's a bloody game... picking the ins and outs of these games must spoil them fo so many people!
Anyhoo, Dringo.. from a gameplay point of view, IJ: TIM borrows very little from Zelda and even what is borrowed is modified to the extent that it is barely recognisable!
SFA isn't a SEQUEL... it just uses the same guy..s!
Mario Sunshine is a sequel because it is the same type of game. 1-player mario completing game! Not a completely one genre game followed by a predominantly alternative genre game!
God, who cares! it's a bloody game... picking the ins and outs of these games must spoil them fo so many people!
good question, Bonus is a nice guy we conflict on many areas mind a bit like me and Turbonutter.
When you said "Bloody Bonus".
What do you mean DeltaJava?
How did that get through the filter?
The Game wrote:
> My goodness, this post is so flawed... firstly there are a few
> Arwing levels in SFA and the game CANNOT be completed without
> passing them!
I heared they were in fact mini bits
Second of all Indiana Jones on the infernal Machine
> borrowed NOTHING from Zelda... one is an RPG the other is an Action
> game... Indiana uses a similar engine to Tomb Raider.
C button modes and lock on familiar?
Finally you
> went from SFA and finished it off with Sequels.. surely this is half
> a post!?
The SFA was about what is a sequel, like Simpsons it starts one way and ends another its the way many of my posts go.
Just a bit of advice...
Game
(Man.. talking to
> Bonus makes me clever... do it more!)
Hmph! Bloody Bonus! :D
> My goodness, this post is so flawed... firstly there are a few
> Arwing levels in SFA and the game CANNOT be completed without
> passing them!
I heared they were in fact mini bits
Second of all Indiana Jones on the infernal Machine
> borrowed NOTHING from Zelda... one is an RPG the other is an Action
> game... Indiana uses a similar engine to Tomb Raider.
C button modes and lock on familiar?
Finally you
> went from SFA and finished it off with Sequels.. surely this is half
> a post!?
The SFA was about what is a sequel, like Simpsons it starts one way and ends another its the way many of my posts go.
Just a bit of advice...
Game
(Man.. talking to
> Bonus makes me clever... do it more!)
Hmph! Bloody Bonus! :D
My goodness, this post is so flawed... firstly there are a few Arwing levels in SFA and the game CANNOT be completed without passing them!
Second of all Indiana Jones on the infernal Machine borrowed NOTHING from Zelda... one is an RPG the other is an Action game... Indiana uses a similar engine to Tomb Raider.
Finally you went from SFA and finished it off with Sequels.. surely this is half a post!?
Just a bit of advice...
Game
(Man.. talking to Bonus makes me clever... do it more!)
Hmph! Bloody Bonus! :D
Second of all Indiana Jones on the infernal Machine borrowed NOTHING from Zelda... one is an RPG the other is an Action game... Indiana uses a similar engine to Tomb Raider.
Finally you went from SFA and finished it off with Sequels.. surely this is half a post!?
Just a bit of advice...
Game
(Man.. talking to Bonus makes me clever... do it more!)
Hmph! Bloody Bonus! :D
WolfHound wrote:
> Im sure you know, I was the fuel behind this discussion yesterday
> dringo.
I mentioned it to bonus but he didn't listen.
I told him
> about Mario Kart and Mario 64 not being connected. He already knows
> of this argument.
I was there and indeed i did listen and thought hard and after long thought i put them all down on paper and here it is.
> Im sure you know, I was the fuel behind this discussion yesterday
> dringo.
I mentioned it to bonus but he didn't listen.
I told him
> about Mario Kart and Mario 64 not being connected. He already knows
> of this argument.
I was there and indeed i did listen and thought hard and after long thought i put them all down on paper and here it is.
Grix Thraves wrote:
> I've got a mobile phoooooone...
God! Show me magic.....
To be honest though Dringo, who gives a hoot whether it's a sequel or not?
I don't. The style of it is certainly appealing to me, and unless it receives appaling reviews, I'll probably get it. Thing is, if it was still Dinosaur Planet, I probably would have felt exactly the same.
Where I stand on what it is, I'd say it was part of a series, rather than a sequel. Maybe part of a franchise. It may not be similar in style to the previos Star Fox games, but it DOES continue the story, and the seeds for this game were planted in the original game. In case you don't know what I'm talking about here, in the original Star Fox manual it gave brief descriptions of each planet, one was (I think it was called Fortuna or something) also known as 'the dinosaur planet'.
But really it doesn't matter.
It makes good sense for Nintendo to make use of their big characters, they get noticed, they draw attention. as good a game as Mario Tennis is, I may not have been so interested in it if it wasn't for the novelty of seeing all of those popular Nintendo characters on the court.
People say daft things, call the Playstation a sequelstation, but when an original game is released, the first thing that occurs when people finish it, is call for a sequel!
Why not please the fans, by giving them the characters they love, and trying something a bit different behind it. Of course, when a developer is selling a game on name alone, not improving the game, sequels tend to get a poor reputation. But in my opinion a good game is a good game, be it part 6 in a series, a game featuring popular characters, or an original game.
> I've got a mobile phoooooone...
God! Show me magic.....
To be honest though Dringo, who gives a hoot whether it's a sequel or not?
I don't. The style of it is certainly appealing to me, and unless it receives appaling reviews, I'll probably get it. Thing is, if it was still Dinosaur Planet, I probably would have felt exactly the same.
Where I stand on what it is, I'd say it was part of a series, rather than a sequel. Maybe part of a franchise. It may not be similar in style to the previos Star Fox games, but it DOES continue the story, and the seeds for this game were planted in the original game. In case you don't know what I'm talking about here, in the original Star Fox manual it gave brief descriptions of each planet, one was (I think it was called Fortuna or something) also known as 'the dinosaur planet'.
But really it doesn't matter.
It makes good sense for Nintendo to make use of their big characters, they get noticed, they draw attention. as good a game as Mario Tennis is, I may not have been so interested in it if it wasn't for the novelty of seeing all of those popular Nintendo characters on the court.
People say daft things, call the Playstation a sequelstation, but when an original game is released, the first thing that occurs when people finish it, is call for a sequel!
Why not please the fans, by giving them the characters they love, and trying something a bit different behind it. Of course, when a developer is selling a game on name alone, not improving the game, sequels tend to get a poor reputation. But in my opinion a good game is a good game, be it part 6 in a series, a game featuring popular characters, or an original game.
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