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What kind of world do we live in? Look around you and what do you see. I see human beings who ruin the lives of others, human beings who just ignore others when in need and human beings who sadly just don't get along.
In Israel/Palestine (what ever you claim it to be called) today a Palestinian policeman has been killed in an Israeli reprisal for three Palestinian attacks. And it keeps going on. Day after day Israel are attack in "response" to a Palestinian attack and then the Palestinians are "responding" and thus it keeps going on and on as innocent people, doing their jobs sometimes like this policeman are being victims of these people who just can't get along.
Okay, okay. Israel took over Palestine and forced out some of them from their homes but that was in the 1940s for goodness sake. There has been continuous tension in this area between the two sides simply because we can't get along. What kind of people live in our world that are prepared to kill people for a solution they are never going to get. There is no way the Israelis will share their country more than they are already and therefore the only way the Palestinians will get it back is if they destroy Israel and take over the country. To do this you are going to need lots of weapons, lots of power and lots more people. How they think an occassional assassination or a car bomb will help I have no idea - it will just make the situation worse. And is there any need for responses to the attacks by the Israelis? No. That makes them as worse as the Palestinians who carry out these attacks and just makes the tension worse. Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres and Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat are to meet tomorrow in an attempt to defuse tension in the Middle East. How they expect to do this I have no idea. If only they were prepared to share the country as their parents should have taught them they could live quite happily but they are too selfish to do so - they want it all (especially Israel I'm on no particular side here but they always seem to be the ones who won't give it up - but I can't say I wouldn't blame them after all the hassle the Palestinians have given them in the past).
However this situation does not look like it will ever be solved as neither side are willing to make a compromise solution and it's stupid - it would stop all these necessary deaths.
It's not just these people in Israel and Palestine that make this world an almost embarrassing place. If we look to that giant continent Africa where hundreds of people are dying from hunger and aids because they simply have no money for better healthcare and knowledge about contraception and no money or good environments for growing food. We are just sitting here in our comfortable homes while millions, billions of people are dying - some even young children (and I mean young). Children who have nothing like the lives we have - we take clean water for granted while they value it greatly. Yet we just don't help. We feel sad when we see pictures, sit back and are thankful it isn't us that it's happening to and then.. we forget. What kind of a world is this where we forget about people that are dying in such huge numbers?
In Ireland recently in the news protesters from the Protestant side of the the city are being terrible human beings to the Catholic children who need to pass through their area to their school. These are children for crying out loud that they were blowing horns at and even blowing up bombs near. What kind of a world is this where people are prepared to carry this out? It's disgraceful. And meanwhile England who should be sorting this problem out are doing relatively little to help this problem. However it's not mainly our fault - it's again people who are refusing to co-operate and carrying out bomb attacks - pointless bomb attacks - to "try" and sort out the problem. But how that is going to work I have no idea. At least we don't try to retaliate and take more meaningful and better ways to solve the solution. But the problem is there is no real solution - some people can't change.
We are also in a world where our country is turning out aslyum seekers - people who have tried to come to England for a better life - but we won't let them. All they want is to get good living conditions, food that won't kill them, jobs in a country their own cannot provide. Hence why some are so desperate they sneak aboard trucks. How can we turn away such people who just want to look after themselves?
And it's not just know we have lived in a world where dictators such as Stalin and Hitler that have killed people for power and brought fear into millions and have started wars we could do without that kill even more people. Even children are victimised by bullying some so much they commit suicide it's sad but it happens. People just can't get along - no matter how many try there are always ones that ruin it and ones that just won't help. There are the school bullies that punch victims for fun - making their lives horrible and the people who sit back and let it happen just glad it won't happen to them. It's what we humans seem to do.
What kind of world do we live in where people can do this to one another... What kind of world?
In Israel/Palestine (what ever you claim it to be called) today a Palestinian policeman has been killed in an Israeli reprisal for three Palestinian attacks. And it keeps going on. Day after day Israel are attack in "response" to a Palestinian attack and then the Palestinians are "responding" and thus it keeps going on and on as innocent people, doing their jobs sometimes like this policeman are being victims of these people who just can't get along.
Okay, okay. Israel took over Palestine and forced out some of them from their homes but that was in the 1940s for goodness sake. There has been continuous tension in this area between the two sides simply because we can't get along. What kind of people live in our world that are prepared to kill people for a solution they are never going to get. There is no way the Israelis will share their country more than they are already and therefore the only way the Palestinians will get it back is if they destroy Israel and take over the country. To do this you are going to need lots of weapons, lots of power and lots more people. How they think an occassional assassination or a car bomb will help I have no idea - it will just make the situation worse. And is there any need for responses to the attacks by the Israelis? No. That makes them as worse as the Palestinians who carry out these attacks and just makes the tension worse. Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres and Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat are to meet tomorrow in an attempt to defuse tension in the Middle East. How they expect to do this I have no idea. If only they were prepared to share the country as their parents should have taught them they could live quite happily but they are too selfish to do so - they want it all (especially Israel I'm on no particular side here but they always seem to be the ones who won't give it up - but I can't say I wouldn't blame them after all the hassle the Palestinians have given them in the past).
However this situation does not look like it will ever be solved as neither side are willing to make a compromise solution and it's stupid - it would stop all these necessary deaths.
It's not just these people in Israel and Palestine that make this world an almost embarrassing place. If we look to that giant continent Africa where hundreds of people are dying from hunger and aids because they simply have no money for better healthcare and knowledge about contraception and no money or good environments for growing food. We are just sitting here in our comfortable homes while millions, billions of people are dying - some even young children (and I mean young). Children who have nothing like the lives we have - we take clean water for granted while they value it greatly. Yet we just don't help. We feel sad when we see pictures, sit back and are thankful it isn't us that it's happening to and then.. we forget. What kind of a world is this where we forget about people that are dying in such huge numbers?
In Ireland recently in the news protesters from the Protestant side of the the city are being terrible human beings to the Catholic children who need to pass through their area to their school. These are children for crying out loud that they were blowing horns at and even blowing up bombs near. What kind of a world is this where people are prepared to carry this out? It's disgraceful. And meanwhile England who should be sorting this problem out are doing relatively little to help this problem. However it's not mainly our fault - it's again people who are refusing to co-operate and carrying out bomb attacks - pointless bomb attacks - to "try" and sort out the problem. But how that is going to work I have no idea. At least we don't try to retaliate and take more meaningful and better ways to solve the solution. But the problem is there is no real solution - some people can't change.
We are also in a world where our country is turning out aslyum seekers - people who have tried to come to England for a better life - but we won't let them. All they want is to get good living conditions, food that won't kill them, jobs in a country their own cannot provide. Hence why some are so desperate they sneak aboard trucks. How can we turn away such people who just want to look after themselves?
And it's not just know we have lived in a world where dictators such as Stalin and Hitler that have killed people for power and brought fear into millions and have started wars we could do without that kill even more people. Even children are victimised by bullying some so much they commit suicide it's sad but it happens. People just can't get along - no matter how many try there are always ones that ruin it and ones that just won't help. There are the school bullies that punch victims for fun - making their lives horrible and the people who sit back and let it happen just glad it won't happen to them. It's what we humans seem to do.
What kind of world do we live in where people can do this to one another... What kind of world?
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Andrew Hunt wrote:
> It is religion. You see the bible should not be part of religion but
> just a guide on how life could work in a perfect world. People
> should just try to lead good lives and not harm each other.
OK then name some widescale wars/ deaths caused by religion.
> It is religion. You see the bible should not be part of religion but
> just a guide on how life could work in a perfect world. People
> should just try to lead good lives and not harm each other.
OK then name some widescale wars/ deaths caused by religion.
devo wrote:
> I agree, but my point is that in this case, The Bible, which is the
> word that Christians follow, doesn't actually tell anyone to
> physically hurt anyone.
What about the Old Testament? Much smiting going on there. Eye for an eye and all that...
> I agree, but my point is that in this case, The Bible, which is the
> word that Christians follow, doesn't actually tell anyone to
> physically hurt anyone.
What about the Old Testament? Much smiting going on there. Eye for an eye and all that...
I have read it in the past. I'll probably get struck down for this, but it does have it's interesting bits, but it also has a lot of boring bits. I was reading it as a story, and also with the intention of trying to understand Christianity better.
Maybe someone like Ant would be better suited to answer questions about what's in it. It's a long time since I read it. I just thought it was something that had to be done.
Maybe someone like Ant would be better suited to answer questions about what's in it. It's a long time since I read it. I just thought it was something that had to be done.
devo wrote:
. Whether
> it's a deliberate or unintentional, it is the interpretation of
> mankind, not what is written.
Well i haven't read it, but I'll take your word for it! But yes, it is a trait of mankind to destroy anything that's different, rather than accept it.
. Whether
> it's a deliberate or unintentional, it is the interpretation of
> mankind, not what is written.
Well i haven't read it, but I'll take your word for it! But yes, it is a trait of mankind to destroy anything that's different, rather than accept it.
I agree, but my point is that in this case, The Bible, which is the word that Christians follow, doesn't actually tell anyone to physically hurt anyone. Christians also believe that their God is the one true God, and that other religions have got it wrong. Which is fair enough, a lot of religions do the same. But then man uses that as a reason to kill others that believe in another God. Whether it's a deliberate or unintentional, it is the interpretation of mankind, not what is written.
That's why I'm quite happy letting people believe what they want, as long they don't physically or verbally force their beliefs on others.
That's why I'm quite happy letting people believe what they want, as long they don't physically or verbally force their beliefs on others.
It's religion.
When it comes to 'The Almighty' people are not willing to accept they may be wrong, they've poured their faith on this being, and those that don't believe are seen as wrong, and must be eliminated.
Also, as the routes of many of the religions come from a similar area, each country that is a particular religion believes they have a right to own that land.
Hence the Crusades back in medieval days.
Trouble is religion hasn't moved on from there - there are still the crazy fanatics.
Not saying that all people that are religious are war crazed nuts, that would be stupid, but some are, and religion is something people can get worked up about.
When it comes to 'The Almighty' people are not willing to accept they may be wrong, they've poured their faith on this being, and those that don't believe are seen as wrong, and must be eliminated.
Also, as the routes of many of the religions come from a similar area, each country that is a particular religion believes they have a right to own that land.
Hence the Crusades back in medieval days.
Trouble is religion hasn't moved on from there - there are still the crazy fanatics.
Not saying that all people that are religious are war crazed nuts, that would be stupid, but some are, and religion is something people can get worked up about.
It is religion. You see the bible should not be part of religion but just a guide on how life could work in a perfect world. People should just try to lead good lives and not harm each other.
I don't think religion causes war. It's man's abuse of religion that causes war. Take Northern Ireland, I don't believe the Bible tells you to kill anyone. Plenty of people are killed in it, but in the New Testament Jesus never passes his disciples a sword and says 'Thou shalt kill irrationally'.
PS. Before anyone asks, I don't follow any doctrine, it's just an interesting area.
PS. Before anyone asks, I don't follow any doctrine, it's just an interesting area.
Andrew Hunt wrote:
> The majority of deaths due to war in this world are caused by
> religion. If we could all just agree to disagree then the world
> would be peaceful. It's like in Ireland, you have protestants and
> catholics. There beliefs only differ on a few points of
> interpritation of the bible and yet they spit on each others
> children!
I'm sure the majority of deaths through wars were religiously motivated in the sixteenth annd seventeenth centuries but not any more. Most 'religious' wars are actualy political anyway.
Before this century, the number of deaths in wars were tiny compared to the vast, mechanised slaughter of 20th century warfare (i.e. the 2 world wars, neither of which were religiously motivated). The overwhelming majority of deaths in war are politically or imperially motivated. Religion has little to do with it.
Even in Ireland, religion is just a facade, obscuring the real roots of Ireland's political division - the legacy of Britain's imperial invasion and subsequent tyranny in Ireland.
> The majority of deaths due to war in this world are caused by
> religion. If we could all just agree to disagree then the world
> would be peaceful. It's like in Ireland, you have protestants and
> catholics. There beliefs only differ on a few points of
> interpritation of the bible and yet they spit on each others
> children!
I'm sure the majority of deaths through wars were religiously motivated in the sixteenth annd seventeenth centuries but not any more. Most 'religious' wars are actualy political anyway.
Before this century, the number of deaths in wars were tiny compared to the vast, mechanised slaughter of 20th century warfare (i.e. the 2 world wars, neither of which were religiously motivated). The overwhelming majority of deaths in war are politically or imperially motivated. Religion has little to do with it.
Even in Ireland, religion is just a facade, obscuring the real roots of Ireland's political division - the legacy of Britain's imperial invasion and subsequent tyranny in Ireland.
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