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These days, you go to a web design company website and 9 times out of 10 it will be done in Flash. “Why?” I ask myself. The whole skill of web designing is working with the restrictions of HTML and creating good-looking websites without “cheating” and using layers. All these Flash sites make me wonder if they are trying to cover something up.
Who knows, but it’s really peeing me off.
Who knows, but it’s really peeing me off.
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Flash is actually a lot more powerful than most people realise, or in these cases, willing to admit. The first releases were useful for nothing more than animation, simply to add some movement to pages much more easily, without the restrictions of other languages such as Java, which never lived up to all the good points it was portrayed as having, and ended up bloated, unreliable and difficult for beginners to use.
In all areas of computers, treatment of "n00b13s" seems to be bad, often people feel threatened by a new generation of designers/coders/gamers who may well be better than them. These people have new technologies to use, and if that makes it easier for them to work then great, it doesn't make what they create anyworse than what someone sticking to basics does, simply because they had different tools.
Flash (5 in particular) is actually quite advanced. You can retrieve information from databases, execute remote batch files to carry out operation, use CGI for form, get relatively small file sizes - especially for the amount of data being displayed...and you can select/copy text, depending on how it was created.
People need to realise that the internet is no longer simply a place for finding information, many people now use it simply to be entertained and pass some time. These people want interactive pages that hold their interest, something to make them notice and spend time on a site. It may not be everyone's point of view on the subject, but whether you like it or not, these people need to be catered for as well.
In all areas of computers, treatment of "n00b13s" seems to be bad, often people feel threatened by a new generation of designers/coders/gamers who may well be better than them. These people have new technologies to use, and if that makes it easier for them to work then great, it doesn't make what they create anyworse than what someone sticking to basics does, simply because they had different tools.
Flash (5 in particular) is actually quite advanced. You can retrieve information from databases, execute remote batch files to carry out operation, use CGI for form, get relatively small file sizes - especially for the amount of data being displayed...and you can select/copy text, depending on how it was created.
People need to realise that the internet is no longer simply a place for finding information, many people now use it simply to be entertained and pass some time. These people want interactive pages that hold their interest, something to make them notice and spend time on a site. It may not be everyone's point of view on the subject, but whether you like it or not, these people need to be catered for as well.
boys, boys, boys. Perhaps I didn't explain myself too well there.
check this site out - http://www.2advanced.com
It ain't my site. Dunno whos it is, but if you can do anything close to this with the same download speed in HTML, I'll buy you all a beer.
Seriously. It just ain't possible. OK, you can't bookmark Flash sites. But thats hardly enough to convince me. Look at it. Its not just a webpage, its so much more than that. The design is 1st class, the speed is top-notch, and it gives the user the information they want.
I agree, people want fast download times for the pages they're viewing, but the majority of surfers also want to be entertained. TV ad making techniques have evolved. So have websites. HTML is all very nice for simple infomation sites, but that just ain't enough these days.
Why limit yourself and your webpages. Combine technologies and enhance them and garanteed, people will come back again.
check this site out - http://www.2advanced.com
It ain't my site. Dunno whos it is, but if you can do anything close to this with the same download speed in HTML, I'll buy you all a beer.
Seriously. It just ain't possible. OK, you can't bookmark Flash sites. But thats hardly enough to convince me. Look at it. Its not just a webpage, its so much more than that. The design is 1st class, the speed is top-notch, and it gives the user the information they want.
I agree, people want fast download times for the pages they're viewing, but the majority of surfers also want to be entertained. TV ad making techniques have evolved. So have websites. HTML is all very nice for simple infomation sites, but that just ain't enough these days.
Why limit yourself and your webpages. Combine technologies and enhance them and garanteed, people will come back again.
ajg wrote:
> boys, boys, boys. Perhaps I didn't explain myself too well
> there.
check this site out - http://www.2advanced.com
Easynow! That site is so good it makes me sick! Flash Rocks! :)
> boys, boys, boys. Perhaps I didn't explain myself too well
> there.
check this site out - http://www.2advanced.com
Easynow! That site is so good it makes me sick! Flash Rocks! :)
Yeah, that is a great site when it finally loads :-)
...that looks v.cool.
But, really, HTML is needed in a Web Page, thats what would embed a Flash item into it, so you can bookmark Flash Sites.
But, really, HTML is needed in a Web Page, thats what would embed a Flash item into it, so you can bookmark Flash Sites.
So, I'm winning some of you over?
You can bookmark the first page, the page that loads the flash, but thats it. Theres hundreds of pages on the site all running from the one page. But come onnnnn. I can show you a hundred sites just as good. I'm using a 56k modem and it loads just fine for me, Whooo. ;)
All you guys who wanted a web design competition... I'm waiting to see your HTML-only sites. And then I'll laugh!!
Seriously, I'm winding ye all up. But its a taster of how the 'net is evolving. Turbonutter can't go saying that HTML is the be all and end all. It's not 'cheating'. It's not hiding anything. In a years time there will be something bigger and better. Now we, as webdesigners need to look forward to this and change with the times. Otherwise you'll get left behind dudes.
You can bookmark the first page, the page that loads the flash, but thats it. Theres hundreds of pages on the site all running from the one page. But come onnnnn. I can show you a hundred sites just as good. I'm using a 56k modem and it loads just fine for me, Whooo. ;)
All you guys who wanted a web design competition... I'm waiting to see your HTML-only sites. And then I'll laugh!!
Seriously, I'm winding ye all up. But its a taster of how the 'net is evolving. Turbonutter can't go saying that HTML is the be all and end all. It's not 'cheating'. It's not hiding anything. In a years time there will be something bigger and better. Now we, as webdesigners need to look forward to this and change with the times. Otherwise you'll get left behind dudes.
now what can I rabbit on about next? Bring it onnnn!
:)
:)
It didn't take an age to load, but it took longer than other sites do.
Flash isn't all bad, I'm using it in my GAD site for a start!
Flash isn't all bad, I'm using it in my GAD site for a start!
...think, it did take quite a while to load, but how good did it look??? Any page able to do that with basic HTML??? ... didn't think so :o).
I gave it a minute to load and gave up. That's one reason why I think flash shouldn't be used for whole websites.
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