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Sorry sorry sorry for that horrible title... but I had to think of something.
All I can say is wow, this seems an amazing Idea... Before Rickoss harps on about the Virtual Boy and 64DD may I point out that the VB enduced headaches which was why it failed and the 64DD was released too late.
This new DS probably means Nintendo are to abandon their GBA connectivity feature as this essentially does the same thing!!!!! For those who haven't read the press release I will put it down below, but this is a really fantastic original and pure fun idea.
In a shocking announcement which is set to rock the gaming world, Nintendo have released details of their forthcoming DS Portable gaming system. Rumours began flying a few weeks ago after mysterious words were uttered from Nintendo spokes people regarding a new machine. Some thought the machine would be the fabled “Game Boy Enhanced” with the mighty power to play Game Boy Advance AND Gamecube games, however this is not the case.
This surprising move from Nintendo sees them releasing a third stand-alone portable system to take games playing and interactivity to a completely different plane of existence! This new machine will feature not one but two 3” TFT LCD screens to allow for greater scope and perspective on the games. The two screens will be backlit to allow for poor-light play. The main processor is pparently an "ARM 9" with the Sub-processor an "ARM 7".
Here’s the official word from Nintendo:
”Players can look forward to being able to manage their game progress from two different perspectives, enhancing both the speed and strategy of the challenge. For example in a football game, you can view the whole game on one screen, while simultaneously focusing on an individual footballer's tackle or goal on the other screen. Players will no longer be forced to interrupt game play to shift perspective, such as moving from a wide shot to a close up, or alternating between a character's ongoing battle and a map of their environment. Nintendo DS makes it possible to perform the tasks in real time by simply glancing from one screen to the other.”
Self-styled “Funny Man of Gaming” and Nintendo president Satoru Iwata had this to say on the new product:
"We have developed Nintendo DS based upon a completely different concept from existing game devices in order to provide players with a unique entertainment experience for the 21st century"
The Nintendo DS will feature two separate screens, separate processors and a semiconductor memory of up to 1 gigabit. It will be marketed and sold as a separate entity to Game Boy Advance and the Gamecube systems. More information will be available at E3 when the system will be fully unveiled for the first time. Nintendo says we can expect a world-wide launch before the end of the year!
Cube-Europe.
DUDE!
All I can say is wow, this seems an amazing Idea... Before Rickoss harps on about the Virtual Boy and 64DD may I point out that the VB enduced headaches which was why it failed and the 64DD was released too late.
This new DS probably means Nintendo are to abandon their GBA connectivity feature as this essentially does the same thing!!!!! For those who haven't read the press release I will put it down below, but this is a really fantastic original and pure fun idea.
In a shocking announcement which is set to rock the gaming world, Nintendo have released details of their forthcoming DS Portable gaming system. Rumours began flying a few weeks ago after mysterious words were uttered from Nintendo spokes people regarding a new machine. Some thought the machine would be the fabled “Game Boy Enhanced” with the mighty power to play Game Boy Advance AND Gamecube games, however this is not the case.
This surprising move from Nintendo sees them releasing a third stand-alone portable system to take games playing and interactivity to a completely different plane of existence! This new machine will feature not one but two 3” TFT LCD screens to allow for greater scope and perspective on the games. The two screens will be backlit to allow for poor-light play. The main processor is pparently an "ARM 9" with the Sub-processor an "ARM 7".
Here’s the official word from Nintendo:
”Players can look forward to being able to manage their game progress from two different perspectives, enhancing both the speed and strategy of the challenge. For example in a football game, you can view the whole game on one screen, while simultaneously focusing on an individual footballer's tackle or goal on the other screen. Players will no longer be forced to interrupt game play to shift perspective, such as moving from a wide shot to a close up, or alternating between a character's ongoing battle and a map of their environment. Nintendo DS makes it possible to perform the tasks in real time by simply glancing from one screen to the other.”
Self-styled “Funny Man of Gaming” and Nintendo president Satoru Iwata had this to say on the new product:
"We have developed Nintendo DS based upon a completely different concept from existing game devices in order to provide players with a unique entertainment experience for the 21st century"
The Nintendo DS will feature two separate screens, separate processors and a semiconductor memory of up to 1 gigabit. It will be marketed and sold as a separate entity to Game Boy Advance and the Gamecube systems. More information will be available at E3 when the system will be fully unveiled for the first time. Nintendo says we can expect a world-wide launch before the end of the year!
Cube-Europe.
DUDE!
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Or it could be because there was a third console on the market this time around.
And that is not true I'm getting an X-box for Halo. There was no hype for Metroid Prime due to the game apparently being "crap"... hype wheels turn... people get talking... the inclusion of a multiplayer gets other gamers playing... Goldeneye all over again.
Pikmin was actually pretty popular, nice advert and attracted many female gamers... expect a similar effect.
Metal Gear Solid will attract many many many die hard solid fans and some just after a new system.... and there are plenty of them.
The real die hard fan base of Final Fantasy will be attracted by Crystal Chronicles.
Expect Geist to appeal to adult gamers.
Resident Evil 4 will be the Gamecube's biggest game of 2004 regardless on whether Zelda or Metroid Prime is released, this game is predicted to shift 1.8 million copies damn quickly and not by Capcom an independant company... that will shift consoles.
2004 will feature many multiplayer games which is one of Nintendo's biggest selling points, attracting gamers by getting current Cube owners mates to play on Mario Tennis, Mario Golf, Geist, Metroid Prime etc... etc...
And that is not true I'm getting an X-box for Halo. There was no hype for Metroid Prime due to the game apparently being "crap"... hype wheels turn... people get talking... the inclusion of a multiplayer gets other gamers playing... Goldeneye all over again.
Pikmin was actually pretty popular, nice advert and attracted many female gamers... expect a similar effect.
Metal Gear Solid will attract many many many die hard solid fans and some just after a new system.... and there are plenty of them.
The real die hard fan base of Final Fantasy will be attracted by Crystal Chronicles.
Expect Geist to appeal to adult gamers.
Resident Evil 4 will be the Gamecube's biggest game of 2004 regardless on whether Zelda or Metroid Prime is released, this game is predicted to shift 1.8 million copies damn quickly and not by Capcom an independant company... that will shift consoles.
2004 will feature many multiplayer games which is one of Nintendo's biggest selling points, attracting gamers by getting current Cube owners mates to play on Mario Tennis, Mario Golf, Geist, Metroid Prime etc... etc...
Dringo wrote:
> Notorious Biggles wrote:
> Edgy:
>
> N64 sold 32.94 million.
>
> In 5 years
>
> Gamecube was at 10.5 million last proper figures I had heard.
>
> In just under 2 years.
With those figures average sales are still down each year despite the GC being price slashed several times whilst the N64 wasn't.
I think in the next round of consoles Nintendo have to be careful because I do not believe they can get easy sales by being first to release. Sony and Microsoft could do this I believe, but not Nintendo. To win back people and expand their market share I think they need the right games but invariably these games will have to be a departure from standard Nintendo fair, which risks alienating many Nintendo fans who will undoubtedly accuse the company of going for the massmarket at the expense of the hardcore.
Ideally Nintendo can get a situation like Sony where the games market is so large that there are rooms for games of all types. I still don't think the DS is a good idea, far better to focus all efforts on getting the N5 or whatever it ends up as a truly brilliant console, and more importantly, getting it recognised as such.
> Notorious Biggles wrote:
> Edgy:
>
> N64 sold 32.94 million.
>
> In 5 years
>
> Gamecube was at 10.5 million last proper figures I had heard.
>
> In just under 2 years.
With those figures average sales are still down each year despite the GC being price slashed several times whilst the N64 wasn't.
I think in the next round of consoles Nintendo have to be careful because I do not believe they can get easy sales by being first to release. Sony and Microsoft could do this I believe, but not Nintendo. To win back people and expand their market share I think they need the right games but invariably these games will have to be a departure from standard Nintendo fair, which risks alienating many Nintendo fans who will undoubtedly accuse the company of going for the massmarket at the expense of the hardcore.
Ideally Nintendo can get a situation like Sony where the games market is so large that there are rooms for games of all types. I still don't think the DS is a good idea, far better to focus all efforts on getting the N5 or whatever it ends up as a truly brilliant console, and more importantly, getting it recognised as such.
Yep
Yep
Nope
Yep
Yep
The reason for the nope is that most of the people who will buy Metroid Prime 2 or the next Zelda are people who bought the first one. It won't bring in as many new buyers for the system as the predecessors did.
In the same way that most people who will buy Halo 2 for example already own Halo. Sure, some new people will buy a Gamecube for those games, but most already do, hence the tailing (got it right this time) off.
If Nintendo manage to sell 20 million Gamecubes then I will be happy. At the moment I think they will, 22 million is fairly achievable and 25 million is doable if the management don't mess up.
But 33 million is pushing it, just a bit too far.
My only slight worry is that where the N64 managed 33 million sales out of a total console market for that generation out of about 100 million (60 million PS, 7 million Saturn and Dreamcast? Perhaps a bit more.) that this time round instead of having one third of the market, they will like max out at 25 million out of 120 million.
It is a loss of market share, but the management know that it was because of being too late to the market. Which is why they want to make it early the next time round. Because if the Gamecube had made it out for Christmas 2000, then it would have been bigger by far.
Yep
Nope
Yep
Yep
The reason for the nope is that most of the people who will buy Metroid Prime 2 or the next Zelda are people who bought the first one. It won't bring in as many new buyers for the system as the predecessors did.
In the same way that most people who will buy Halo 2 for example already own Halo. Sure, some new people will buy a Gamecube for those games, but most already do, hence the tailing (got it right this time) off.
If Nintendo manage to sell 20 million Gamecubes then I will be happy. At the moment I think they will, 22 million is fairly achievable and 25 million is doable if the management don't mess up.
But 33 million is pushing it, just a bit too far.
My only slight worry is that where the N64 managed 33 million sales out of a total console market for that generation out of about 100 million (60 million PS, 7 million Saturn and Dreamcast? Perhaps a bit more.) that this time round instead of having one third of the market, they will like max out at 25 million out of 120 million.
It is a loss of market share, but the management know that it was because of being too late to the market. Which is why they want to make it early the next time round. Because if the Gamecube had made it out for Christmas 2000, then it would have been bigger by far.
Notorious Biggles wrote:
> Which means that if the GC gets replaced by Christmas 2005, it will
> have only managed 20 million sales, assuming that sales remain fairly
> constant between now and then. Like the N64, the GC is having its
> best sales in the middle of its life and they will probably tale off
> over the next year.
Is that so NB... so lets me get this straight... the N64 was on the market for much longer.... it's biggest sales were between 1998 till the end of 2000....
The Gamecube has been on the market for, on average, 2 years... It had a good launch but for the entire of 2003 it didn't really have a good time... much like the first year of the N64... now games are starting to appear and sales are up... much like 1998 on the N64...
With new Zelda's, Metroid Prime's, bundles, second evolutionary software all due this year we can, expect going on trends a year that surpasses the year before by a long shot.
Then there's 2005 which is where it'll start to lag slightly although not as badly as the first year... and by the end of 2005 or Easter 2006 we can expect the next set of consoles to arrive.
I would like to think the Gamecube will do surprisingly well considering it's 3-4 years on the market compared to the N64's good solid 5 and a half years.
> Which means that if the GC gets replaced by Christmas 2005, it will
> have only managed 20 million sales, assuming that sales remain fairly
> constant between now and then. Like the N64, the GC is having its
> best sales in the middle of its life and they will probably tale off
> over the next year.
Is that so NB... so lets me get this straight... the N64 was on the market for much longer.... it's biggest sales were between 1998 till the end of 2000....
The Gamecube has been on the market for, on average, 2 years... It had a good launch but for the entire of 2003 it didn't really have a good time... much like the first year of the N64... now games are starting to appear and sales are up... much like 1998 on the N64...
With new Zelda's, Metroid Prime's, bundles, second evolutionary software all due this year we can, expect going on trends a year that surpasses the year before by a long shot.
Then there's 2005 which is where it'll start to lag slightly although not as badly as the first year... and by the end of 2005 or Easter 2006 we can expect the next set of consoles to arrive.
I would like to think the Gamecube will do surprisingly well considering it's 3-4 years on the market compared to the N64's good solid 5 and a half years.
Belldandy wrote:
> Y'know if I was cynical I'd say right now that only Nintendo has any
> games actually in development for this. If EA are still undecided
> then that means they have nothing in the works, and if Nintendo want
> the release they want that leaves EA about 10 months to recruit,
> setup, plan and make launch titles....hmm
A: (not aimed at belldandy) EA Don't support a console more than the other, quite simply they support a console and every game they make tends to be realesed for it... if Nintendo get support for the DS it will be the same for the PSP.
B: EA are an odd company to argue over because yes they are vital to the PSP and the next Gameboy's success but the DS? The only reason I mentioned EA is because of the football example... I presumed that meant there was a footy game in development so guessed EA... now it looks more like Konami.
C: EA are a company that make standard games for standard systems, sometimes they are great games but nevertheless they are standard... now the DS is not a standard system that requires standard games... I can't imagine them being to keen on supporting it... not that it matters Nintendo need some true classics to launch the hardware and EA don't make them... they are given to the likes of Capcom, Namco, Konami, Squaresoft, SEGA and Nintendo.
D: Nintendo will have a few games for launch... again this console is setting about things differently... it isn't trying to sell itself through a set of BIG NAME launch games... but instead a set of new games... for a new system... with new ideas... I'd expect 3 or 4 from Nintendo with some to shortly follow with the Japanese giants like Namco releasing hardware just after it... if the launch is good expect everyone to quickly jump aboard.
E: Here's to the future of great new games... and not moaning idiots that just want to criticise a companies methods.
> Y'know if I was cynical I'd say right now that only Nintendo has any
> games actually in development for this. If EA are still undecided
> then that means they have nothing in the works, and if Nintendo want
> the release they want that leaves EA about 10 months to recruit,
> setup, plan and make launch titles....hmm
A: (not aimed at belldandy) EA Don't support a console more than the other, quite simply they support a console and every game they make tends to be realesed for it... if Nintendo get support for the DS it will be the same for the PSP.
B: EA are an odd company to argue over because yes they are vital to the PSP and the next Gameboy's success but the DS? The only reason I mentioned EA is because of the football example... I presumed that meant there was a footy game in development so guessed EA... now it looks more like Konami.
C: EA are a company that make standard games for standard systems, sometimes they are great games but nevertheless they are standard... now the DS is not a standard system that requires standard games... I can't imagine them being to keen on supporting it... not that it matters Nintendo need some true classics to launch the hardware and EA don't make them... they are given to the likes of Capcom, Namco, Konami, Squaresoft, SEGA and Nintendo.
D: Nintendo will have a few games for launch... again this console is setting about things differently... it isn't trying to sell itself through a set of BIG NAME launch games... but instead a set of new games... for a new system... with new ideas... I'd expect 3 or 4 from Nintendo with some to shortly follow with the Japanese giants like Namco releasing hardware just after it... if the launch is good expect everyone to quickly jump aboard.
E: Here's to the future of great new games... and not moaning idiots that just want to criticise a companies methods.
Which means that if the GC gets replaced by Christmas 2005, it will have only managed 20 million sales, assuming that sales remain fairly constant between now and then. Like the N64, the GC is having its best sales in the middle of its life and they will probably tale off over the next year.
Notorious Biggles wrote:
> Edgy:
>
> N64 sold 32.94 million.
In 5 years
> Gamecube was at 10.5 million last proper figures I had heard.
In just under 2 years.
> Edgy:
>
> N64 sold 32.94 million.
In 5 years
> Gamecube was at 10.5 million last proper figures I had heard.
In just under 2 years.
Edgy:
N64 sold 32.94 million.
Gamecube was at 10.5 million last proper figures I had heard.
N64 sold 32.94 million.
Gamecube was at 10.5 million last proper figures I had heard.
Cyclone wrote:
> Dringo wrote:
> Throw in Nintendo and hopefully SEGA and you'll have a
> console that will sell damn well in Japan at least.
>
> Which, Mr. Belldandy, is one thing the Xbox cannot do to save it's
> life.
Quite right Mr Cyclone. In fact the lack of Japanese developed games for the console now and in the future, and the abundance of them on the PS2 was a major factor in me selling my Xbox earlier this year. Still can't beat a good Final Fantasy game.
If Nintendo can get a few more decent games out this year I may well buy back a Gamecube because I want Ikaruga and that costs about £50 on the DC and £20 on GC, hence for a £100 I can get a console, bundled games, and Ikaruga.
Oh, sorry, you were hoping I'd launch into a defence of Microsoft? Whoops...
> And that means the deficit in Europe and the 50/50 situation in the
> US is redressed.
Hmm, as Edge comments "You're still arguing over who is number 2?"
> Dringo wrote:
> Throw in Nintendo and hopefully SEGA and you'll have a
> console that will sell damn well in Japan at least.
>
> Which, Mr. Belldandy, is one thing the Xbox cannot do to save it's
> life.
Quite right Mr Cyclone. In fact the lack of Japanese developed games for the console now and in the future, and the abundance of them on the PS2 was a major factor in me selling my Xbox earlier this year. Still can't beat a good Final Fantasy game.
If Nintendo can get a few more decent games out this year I may well buy back a Gamecube because I want Ikaruga and that costs about £50 on the DC and £20 on GC, hence for a £100 I can get a console, bundled games, and Ikaruga.
Oh, sorry, you were hoping I'd launch into a defence of Microsoft? Whoops...
> And that means the deficit in Europe and the 50/50 situation in the
> US is redressed.
Hmm, as Edge comments "You're still arguing over who is number 2?"
Edgy wrote:
> In one sentence, it states that EA have not come to a decision.
>
> With any big financial opportunity, there's risk. EA are bound to
> think it through first.
But surely if EA are supposed to be pals with Nintendo then that decision shouldn't exactly be hard to make...if Nintendo are going to release this when they say then they must be at a similar place in development as the Sony PSP...
Y'know if I was cynical I'd say right now that only Nintendo has any games actually in development for this. If EA are still undecided then that means they have nothing in the works, and if Nintendo want the release they want that leaves EA about 10 months to recruit, setup, plan and make launch titles....hmm
> In one sentence, it states that EA have not come to a decision.
>
> With any big financial opportunity, there's risk. EA are bound to
> think it through first.
But surely if EA are supposed to be pals with Nintendo then that decision shouldn't exactly be hard to make...if Nintendo are going to release this when they say then they must be at a similar place in development as the Sony PSP...
Y'know if I was cynical I'd say right now that only Nintendo has any games actually in development for this. If EA are still undecided then that means they have nothing in the works, and if Nintendo want the release they want that leaves EA about 10 months to recruit, setup, plan and make launch titles....hmm
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