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But wait! Put those pitchforks down! Someone restrain Dringo! Nintendo ARE childish, but this is a GOOD thing.
So, OK then. Not childish you say? Well, I’m inclined to disagree. Look at the launch line up. Luigi’s Mansion, Pikmin, Super Smash Brothers Melee, Star Fox Adventures: Dinosaur Planet and Super Monkey Ball. But, I’m not confusing childish for either gameplay or simplicity. All these games will probably by immensely playable and great fun for all the ages, but they are aimed towards the younger gamers out their. But this is a really good idea.
Reason 1: Competition. I think you’ll agree Sony have the older market pretty much wrapped up. The PlayStation really appeals to the casual gamer and the clubbers, and these audiences don’t want to see a short kid with pointy ears running through a forest defeating mushrooms with a sword and a wooden shield. They want exhilaration, they want music, they want violence. Shallow they may be, but they contribute a hell of a lot to the global games market and Sony knows this. Then there’s Microsoft as well. God knows what they’re aiming for but it certainly isn’t the younger market and this is where Nintendo come in. There is also a huge market for younger/family games, and Nintendo well and truly own this. No one comes close. This market is almost as big as Sony’s, because it includes ages 6-14, older as well (for people who like that sort of thing) but also (and here’s the beauty of it) families. Yes, families. Think about it. Husband, wife, 3 kids, but one of them is 6 months old. They want a games console, but they want something everyone can enjoy. Sony is an upbeat company and might be unsuitable for young Timmy “impressionable” Gamer. You ask any child owning family what their first choice of console would be and you’d get Nintendo straight back. Meka_Dragon is a prime example.
Reason 2: Image. Now, we all know Nintendo is trying to reach out to Joe “casual” Public these days with games like Eternal Darkness and Star Wars Rogue Leader: Rogue Squadron 2 but if you ask me, this is suicide. Nintendo have a very clean image and young kids and families mainly buy the consoles. Now the thing is, if Nintendo was to release more of these older games, they’d become a kind of wandering spirit. You see, if there were more games like Eternal Darkness, then appeal with families and kids might drop. Parents might refuse to buy it or there might just not be enough suitable games. This doesn’t work the other way though, as the casual gamers probably won’t be swayed towards Nintendo as they’d still retain some of their past reputation and Sony will always have more choice and a better image. This leaves Nintendo with a problem as they’ve not only failed to capture a share of Sony’s market but they’ve lost part of their own, and knowing Sony they’d probably fill the gap sharpish.
Reason 3: The “weeing against the wind” reason. Sure, Nintendo can produce the odd frightener and FPS, and usually they’re quite good but there’s just not enough. They might pour resources into this kind of thing but they churn out one every few months whereas Sony chucks them out on a regular basis. This “ages” Nintendo’s image for a short time but invariably another kiddy game will come out next month and kind of resets the counter. Gradually, their image has got better over time but not by very much and it all just begs the question “what is the point?” Nintendo are releasing these games and although they sell well with the upper limits of their markets, the younger ones and the sacred families probably won’t buy them. I’m not sure but I’m willing to bet Meka either doesn’t have Perfect Dark or doesn’t let his children play it.
Reason 4: Stick to what you’re good at. OK, Nintendo games are childish but they’re pretty damn good (allegedly). I’ve heard loads and loads of good reports on the likes of Mario, Zelda, and all the other games out there. Yes, they’re kiddy but they’re immensely playable with hours of good clean fun. This is fine, and I don’t see the problem. We call them kiddy and childish, but that’s not the same as saying they’re bad. Pokémon, arguably the most childish of all Nintendo’s creations, was a great game (the first time round) and amazingly addictive. Look at the phenomenal success of it. 6 year olds all over the country were going mad over this large yellow rat and raiding parent’s bank accounts until they had to take out loans. Meanwhile, Nintendo are so happy it’s like someone had let off a Marijuana bomb.
So, in the end, Nintendo are childish but that’s a really good thing and Nintendo fans shouldn’t be ashamed of this. The style of Nintendo’s games doesn’t appeal to everyone but that’s just a side effect of being one of the most successful games companies in the world. Sony and Nintendo aren’t rivals as such, because they’re not fighting over the same patch. The both have their ground and more or less stick to it. Sony isn’t going to take over Nintendo’s market and Nintendo likewise. That’s just the way it is and I think we should all be really happy it’s like that.
Thanks for reading
-Turbonutter
So, OK then. Not childish you say? Well, I’m inclined to disagree. Look at the launch line up. Luigi’s Mansion, Pikmin, Super Smash Brothers Melee, Star Fox Adventures: Dinosaur Planet and Super Monkey Ball. But, I’m not confusing childish for either gameplay or simplicity. All these games will probably by immensely playable and great fun for all the ages, but they are aimed towards the younger gamers out their. But this is a really good idea.
Reason 1: Competition. I think you’ll agree Sony have the older market pretty much wrapped up. The PlayStation really appeals to the casual gamer and the clubbers, and these audiences don’t want to see a short kid with pointy ears running through a forest defeating mushrooms with a sword and a wooden shield. They want exhilaration, they want music, they want violence. Shallow they may be, but they contribute a hell of a lot to the global games market and Sony knows this. Then there’s Microsoft as well. God knows what they’re aiming for but it certainly isn’t the younger market and this is where Nintendo come in. There is also a huge market for younger/family games, and Nintendo well and truly own this. No one comes close. This market is almost as big as Sony’s, because it includes ages 6-14, older as well (for people who like that sort of thing) but also (and here’s the beauty of it) families. Yes, families. Think about it. Husband, wife, 3 kids, but one of them is 6 months old. They want a games console, but they want something everyone can enjoy. Sony is an upbeat company and might be unsuitable for young Timmy “impressionable” Gamer. You ask any child owning family what their first choice of console would be and you’d get Nintendo straight back. Meka_Dragon is a prime example.
Reason 2: Image. Now, we all know Nintendo is trying to reach out to Joe “casual” Public these days with games like Eternal Darkness and Star Wars Rogue Leader: Rogue Squadron 2 but if you ask me, this is suicide. Nintendo have a very clean image and young kids and families mainly buy the consoles. Now the thing is, if Nintendo was to release more of these older games, they’d become a kind of wandering spirit. You see, if there were more games like Eternal Darkness, then appeal with families and kids might drop. Parents might refuse to buy it or there might just not be enough suitable games. This doesn’t work the other way though, as the casual gamers probably won’t be swayed towards Nintendo as they’d still retain some of their past reputation and Sony will always have more choice and a better image. This leaves Nintendo with a problem as they’ve not only failed to capture a share of Sony’s market but they’ve lost part of their own, and knowing Sony they’d probably fill the gap sharpish.
Reason 3: The “weeing against the wind” reason. Sure, Nintendo can produce the odd frightener and FPS, and usually they’re quite good but there’s just not enough. They might pour resources into this kind of thing but they churn out one every few months whereas Sony chucks them out on a regular basis. This “ages” Nintendo’s image for a short time but invariably another kiddy game will come out next month and kind of resets the counter. Gradually, their image has got better over time but not by very much and it all just begs the question “what is the point?” Nintendo are releasing these games and although they sell well with the upper limits of their markets, the younger ones and the sacred families probably won’t buy them. I’m not sure but I’m willing to bet Meka either doesn’t have Perfect Dark or doesn’t let his children play it.
Reason 4: Stick to what you’re good at. OK, Nintendo games are childish but they’re pretty damn good (allegedly). I’ve heard loads and loads of good reports on the likes of Mario, Zelda, and all the other games out there. Yes, they’re kiddy but they’re immensely playable with hours of good clean fun. This is fine, and I don’t see the problem. We call them kiddy and childish, but that’s not the same as saying they’re bad. Pokémon, arguably the most childish of all Nintendo’s creations, was a great game (the first time round) and amazingly addictive. Look at the phenomenal success of it. 6 year olds all over the country were going mad over this large yellow rat and raiding parent’s bank accounts until they had to take out loans. Meanwhile, Nintendo are so happy it’s like someone had let off a Marijuana bomb.
So, in the end, Nintendo are childish but that’s a really good thing and Nintendo fans shouldn’t be ashamed of this. The style of Nintendo’s games doesn’t appeal to everyone but that’s just a side effect of being one of the most successful games companies in the world. Sony and Nintendo aren’t rivals as such, because they’re not fighting over the same patch. The both have their ground and more or less stick to it. Sony isn’t going to take over Nintendo’s market and Nintendo likewise. That’s just the way it is and I think we should all be really happy it’s like that.
Thanks for reading
-Turbonutter
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Hey Dringo, wassup?
Wahey Zelda Pro agrees and what do u think of Oracle of Ages?
Yer when you come to think about it, puzzles and things that are neat, are more towards what grownups always tell you and yell at you!! And blowing off zombie heads and making things bleed is what kids want to do from 9 upwards, either that or football!
So it could really be the other way round!! With games like Zelda, FF, strategy, Cossacks etc. being more adult games, for the advanced AI hard puzzles, etc. and the things that kids like doing like in max payne, re-enacting Matrix scenes etc. making blood fly appeal more to kids??
Just a thought, then again I am just about to go to bed!!
So it could really be the other way round!! With games like Zelda, FF, strategy, Cossacks etc. being more adult games, for the advanced AI hard puzzles, etc. and the things that kids like doing like in max payne, re-enacting Matrix scenes etc. making blood fly appeal more to kids??
Just a thought, then again I am just about to go to bed!!
Ö~ Res€vilfan ~Ö wrote:
> What do you have against Resident Evil? you've only played the
> second one and it does take some time to get into.
Some Nintendo
> games are made for everybody like goldeneye,zelda,waverace etc but
> the majority of the N64 games are aimed more at children, I'm not
> trying to annoy you with that but take the PSone,the games are for
> younger children now but even so they'res still a few mature titles
> still been released like alone in the dark,driver etc.
>
Nintendo's prime audience is children and it's pretty obvious
> with a big pikatu on the front of the machine,some of the games are
> for adults and some are for all ages.
If resident Evil isn't to
> your taste fine but don't ever think about dissing it again!!!!
Resident Evil is good, i have every last one except Survivor but i had compleated that.
But it isn't that mature, blowing Zombies heads off, not mature just adult orientated and appeals to teenagers.
> What do you have against Resident Evil? you've only played the
> second one and it does take some time to get into.
Some Nintendo
> games are made for everybody like goldeneye,zelda,waverace etc but
> the majority of the N64 games are aimed more at children, I'm not
> trying to annoy you with that but take the PSone,the games are for
> younger children now but even so they'res still a few mature titles
> still been released like alone in the dark,driver etc.
>
Nintendo's prime audience is children and it's pretty obvious
> with a big pikatu on the front of the machine,some of the games are
> for adults and some are for all ages.
If resident Evil isn't to
> your taste fine but don't ever think about dissing it again!!!!
Resident Evil is good, i have every last one except Survivor but i had compleated that.
But it isn't that mature, blowing Zombies heads off, not mature just adult orientated and appeals to teenagers.
Nintendo make games that do appeal to everyone and this could make them the extra profits or maybe not! The games will be bought by kids and teenagers all over the world, and I am guessing that there are more kids then adults on the planet, and I know that adults with kids and a full time job, won't have much time to play on games unless they play on there childrens console which since N64 appeals to the younger audience will probably be a Nintendo.
But then again this could be making the same amount and be just as good although just filling in the age gap that Sony and probably Microsoft leave. And I also know that nearly everyone has more than one means of playing games but I know not nessesarily made by different companies.
I mean you could own a N64 + PSX or N64 + DC, N64 + PS2, N64 + PC or have consoles made by one company like N64 + SNES+ NES + GB + GBC + GBA ? I know that I own 7 of the 9 listed here and will be getting one more! So it could be either way.
But Nintendo know that gaming now appeals to everyone, from 3+ and have started making higher rated games or games that younger people would not understand, very easily, but still not as many as Sony etc. but they are getting there, but I find that these games aimed for the whole family can be much more fun than dark, bleary backgrounds, although they can be good some times and a good atmospehere in a game is good, they are not as fun to play as the games like Pikmin etc.
Most of us really like the change from dark and dingy backgrounds and games to bright easy to see games that are fun!
ZP
But then again this could be making the same amount and be just as good although just filling in the age gap that Sony and probably Microsoft leave. And I also know that nearly everyone has more than one means of playing games but I know not nessesarily made by different companies.
I mean you could own a N64 + PSX or N64 + DC, N64 + PS2, N64 + PC or have consoles made by one company like N64 + SNES+ NES + GB + GBC + GBA ? I know that I own 7 of the 9 listed here and will be getting one more! So it could be either way.
But Nintendo know that gaming now appeals to everyone, from 3+ and have started making higher rated games or games that younger people would not understand, very easily, but still not as many as Sony etc. but they are getting there, but I find that these games aimed for the whole family can be much more fun than dark, bleary backgrounds, although they can be good some times and a good atmospehere in a game is good, they are not as fun to play as the games like Pikmin etc.
Most of us really like the change from dark and dingy backgrounds and games to bright easy to see games that are fun!
ZP
There's alot of games i don't like but I don't go around saying they're c**p and rubbish and all that, ok?
No im not saying ive got anything against the resi evil games, ive seen clips of code veronica on the PS2 and that does look like its gonna be a very impressive game. Im just sayin that i didnt enjoy Resi 2 I found it boring and to linear. The combat was rubbish and no i didnt use the auto aiming. Im sorry i just couldn't stand the fixed camera angle and after playing games like Zelda with the freedom you get in that, the linear levels of Resi 2 just bore me.
What do you have against Resident Evil? you've only played the second one and it does take some time to get into.
Some Nintendo games are made for everybody like goldeneye,zelda,waverace etc but the majority of the N64 games are aimed more at children, I'm not trying to annoy you with that but take the PSone,the games are for younger children now but even so they'res still a few mature titles still been released like alone in the dark,driver etc.
Nintendo's prime audience is children and it's pretty obvious with a big pikatu on the front of the machine,some of the games are for adults and some are for all ages.
If resident Evil isn't to your taste fine but don't ever think about dissing it again!!!!
Some Nintendo games are made for everybody like goldeneye,zelda,waverace etc but the majority of the N64 games are aimed more at children, I'm not trying to annoy you with that but take the PSone,the games are for younger children now but even so they'res still a few mature titles still been released like alone in the dark,driver etc.
Nintendo's prime audience is children and it's pretty obvious with a big pikatu on the front of the machine,some of the games are for adults and some are for all ages.
If resident Evil isn't to your taste fine but don't ever think about dissing it again!!!!
Ö~ Res€vilfan ~Ö wrote:
> Some Nintendo games are fun for everyone but are mainly for
> children, the games are made easy,playable and entertaining.
I
> used to love Nintendo back in the days of the nes and early snes and
> guess what i was a KID but i don't think even the xbox can match up
> to Sony's reputation of great mature titles.
Goddamnit dont u people realise that Nintendo games are mature, they just dont feel the need to put gore and swearing into there games. THey make there games so they appeal to all ages, they have brilliant story lines and characters. I cant really see an 8 year old picking up Zelda and being able to complete it.OKay some of them do look very kiddy like Pokemon etc and those games are aimed at children but the fact is Pokemons got more gameplay than 100 resident evil games.
> Some Nintendo games are fun for everyone but are mainly for
> children, the games are made easy,playable and entertaining.
I
> used to love Nintendo back in the days of the nes and early snes and
> guess what i was a KID but i don't think even the xbox can match up
> to Sony's reputation of great mature titles.
Goddamnit dont u people realise that Nintendo games are mature, they just dont feel the need to put gore and swearing into there games. THey make there games so they appeal to all ages, they have brilliant story lines and characters. I cant really see an 8 year old picking up Zelda and being able to complete it.OKay some of them do look very kiddy like Pokemon etc and those games are aimed at children but the fact is Pokemons got more gameplay than 100 resident evil games.
Some Nintendo games are fun for everyone but are mainly for children, the games are made easy,playable and entertaining.
I used to love Nintendo back in the days of the nes and early snes and guess what i was a KID but i don't think even the xbox can match up to Sony's reputation of great mature titles.
I used to love Nintendo back in the days of the nes and early snes and guess what i was a KID but i don't think even the xbox can match up to Sony's reputation of great mature titles.
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