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"why nintendo should just give up!!"

This is not meant as a big offenisve remark to people who really love nintendo and the nintendo company but i feel that it is about time that they should give up on the larger game console market. Throughout the years nintendo have always been second best to some other game consoles(that you must all admit), first it was that the master system and the megadrive which clearly overtook the market from nintendo. Now we have the playstation and PS2 and do nintendo seriously think that the Game Cube will be able to stand up against the PS2, in my own opinion the PS2 should outsell the game cube my popularity alone, and games made for it (eg Gran Turismo 3) Could sell the console by themselves. This, compared to the cutsie, sickening twaddle(Mario, Kurby etc...)that has been presented to the world by Nintendo and their associates, will once again send Nintendo's Game Cube scuttling back to it's creators all bloodied and bashed in the same way that the Playstaion duffed up the "more advanced" N64. Every time i walk into my city centre "GAME" shop there is always someone trading in a nintendo64 for a playstation or PS2, never the other way around. I have seen what the nintendo64 could do and to be honest i was not impressed, the graphics were shoddy and blured and the games are still on cartridges!!! aren't nintendo going to learn that cartridges were years ago and gamers have moved onto discs, will the game cube be still on cartridge. I do admit that the gameboy has been very successfull, luckly for nintendo, but look at the new gameboy advance. The technolgy that is being here was being used in the early 90's by sega's game gear (remember that?) and the graphics were still better then as they didn't use a dot matrix screen and it could double as a portable TV, plus the new gameboy advance does strangly look like the poor old game gear.

i don't care what anyone say's Zelda is the best RPG ever and no one can change my view, and in my opinion it's one of the best gsmes in the world, and i'm not just saying this to p*ss off playstation owners, but if anyone likes final fantasy on the playstation that's fine but i totally disagree with asda's comment about the graphics in zelda being cartoony, because they are NOT cartoony, they are realistic and that's the end of that!, right now let's talk about something else ok?
slik !_!

Muffy.

As a devoted PS2 owner and possibly the staunchest defender of the machine on these forums, I feel it is my duty to offer you some friendly constructive criticism and advice...

Shut up.

there was a rather grown up discussion going on here, thanks for spoiling that Slik!!!

although i havent played the second Zelda i have no dought it was a brilliant game for some, just not for me. people cannot argue that the graphics are cartoony because they are. im not saying that "cartoony" graphics are bad but for the RPG genre realistic graphics work better, eg FF8. Games such as Maro 64 and donky kong benifit from have cute graphics as they appeal to all.

Slik you were joking when you said that Zelda graphics were better than all the Final Fantasy's put together because i found that very funny.

asda wrote:- something annoying

Zelda does NOT i repeat does NOT have cartoony graphics, it has some of the most realistic graphics on the N64 and they ARE (not just my opinion) better than all of the inferior graphics in the ff series put together, i'm sorry it had to be said, when it comes to graphics and sound (don't bother driveling on about how the practically DEAD p-s-one has c-d quality sound cos the n64 has cd quality sound as well in case you didn't notice!) the N64 just simply is more superior than the p-sone, and in my opinion the ff series was better in the past when it was on Nintendo's consoles and if it had stuck with Nintendo then it probably would have been considerably better, but it did'nt and it isn't and quite frankly zelda always has been, still is and always will be the best game in the world, and Final Fantasy will just have to settle for second best, and that's the fact's, nuff said really, don't you agree?
slik !_!

That was because the MegaDrive was failing. Square stick with the leading console. They stuck with the PSone and they're sticking with the PS2.

just remember FF started on Nintendo.

I had an N64 for a while and I had a really good stab at Zelda OOT. Frankly it bored me. Running across a field fighting unlimited skelletons that rise out of the ground whilst getting some eye drops to an animate mountain that clearly bothers no-one? No thanks.

Im not a fan of the final fantasy series i never have been i cant stand the turn based combat system, basically i dont like RPGs so i wont comment on them.

But i can tell you this while maybe the graphics in Zelda are cartoony, Ocarina of time is the most involving games i have ever played, im sure if some of u sony people sat down and actually tried to play this game then u would actually find that under the cutesy skin is actually quite an adult adventure. At first when i played the gam i wasn't sure about it but when u actually get into it u cant put it down.

i lent FFIX of a friend and played it for about half an hour, i think i got to some forrest. i just couldnt get into it. im sure people with alot of patience will disagree but i thought this was a very pure game..... ecpecially after the gaming genious of FFVIII

lets just hope FFX lives up to the hype.

The thing is about the FF series, it's a new breed of RPG. They're great because they're set in a technological and advanced age instead of Zelda and virtually every other RPG which goes around with arcane magic, castles and swords. Final Fantasy is way more original than Zelda because of this, and it's a testiment to Squares extreme game-making talent that they can do this. FF IX hasn't done so well because it's set back in "olden times" with goblins and the like. This is unlike the other 2 games and some poeple are put off by it. I know I am.